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DynamicSloth posted:To be fair Palin went back to being Governor after crashing the '08 ticket, she subsequently resigned less than a year later not to seek higher office but to cash out with a reality tv series. true that was by far a worse trainwreck but there's no way to do 'win an election, don't even serve a term before making a jump to what you see as a better chance' without making a lot of people go 'oh gently caress off'
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Less lazy bait and shitposting would be fantastic, if we think we can manage that. Rough last page. Brony Car posted:What is Chloe supposed to mean? Trabisnikof posted:Booker's terrible stance on making BDS a crime is a huge red flag that he would be a terrible president.  GreyjoyBastard posted:Pros: - Challenged Pelosi for her job Not what you'd say after an unsuccessful challenge from the left posted:Some of Pelosi’s biggest detractors fear that the results will only empower the more coastal liberal wings. “Nothing’s going to change anytime soon. We’re going to be in the minority for the next 15 years,” said Rep. Kurt Schrader (D-Ore.), co-chairman of the Blue Dog Coalition, a centrist group. He added that Democrats need to develop “a farm team that’s not just the socialist side of our party.” Sodomy Hussein posted:If Beto wins tomorrow (big if), I could see him doing an Obama and running in 2020. Kamala coming later tonight, I promise this time. Any other requests for profiles? The 2018 Senate set really ought to wait until after tomorrow is complete, same with Ellison. Perez as well (he's made no indication he's running, but in the case of a massive blue wave, he's positioned to receive glowing attention from the MSM, who will pretty rapidly note that he's got a broad nationwide range of contacts and support (enough to win DNC easily) and was considered a credible VP candidate 2 short years ago).
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Office Pig posted:That would be an insanely terrible idea and a good way to risk throwing out the good will built up by his campaign. I feel like Beto is not even near "fantasize about being president despite being inexperienced in politics" tier (I feel like this is kind of questionable even in cases like AOC's, and AOC is much better than Beto), and a lot of the commentary towards him strongly reminds me of the way people reacted to Obama, which I mean in a bad way because getting a Democrat elected only to waste another 4-8 years is not exactly a good outcome (even if it's better than running another Democrat with similar politics and even less charisma). Not to mention the fact that I subjectively feel like his particular brand of charisma isn't nearly as universally effective as Obama's. Beto fits under the "walking back support for MfA should make you very concerned" category of politician. I don't necessary mean to imply malice or that he's been "bought off" or something, but I think it's just very easy for people in that position to be convinced by other politicians and lobbyists that stuff like Medicare expansion is genuinely more pragmatic than "immediately" pushing for single-payer. There's a lot of "peer pressure" for politicians to not go against the grain on things like that, and there are plenty of Serious People there to provide reasonable-sounding arguments for why it's actually fine and good to gradually work towards single-payer in the indefinite future. (This is actually one of my biggest concerns with AOC and any other new/inexperienced politician; once she gets elected she's going to be exposed to a lot of people who will reward her (not necessarily materially, but also socially) for "being reasonable" and not shaking things up too much. This is also one of the bigger upsides to Sanders, since there's far less of a need to worry about that with him.)
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It turns out my Beto take was reliant on me not being able to recognize that 2 =/= 4, sorry everyone for that hot take. 2024 more possible.
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Based on last night rural people seem to really love Klobuchar unlike every other Dem in existence. And despite Ohio going red everywhere, they still re-elected Brown who while not AOC, is still a pretty left Dem.  At a bare minimum they're now serious VP contenders and Dems everywhere need to talk to them to figure out what the hell they did. Klobuchar having some kind of magic formula for winning rural areas could be exactly what the Dems need in 2020.
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axeil posted:Based on last night rural people seem to really love Klobuchar unlike every other Dem in existence. She's done some very smart things to engage rural districts, like promising infrastructure developments, making it easier for businesses in those areas to access international markets, and getting them broadband. I'm still annoyed by her refusal to back M4A, but there are definitely good lessons to take from her campaign.
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axeil posted:Based on last night rural people seem to really love Klobuchar unlike every other Dem in existence. She is very popular in the state, but I believe that's more a reflection of Minnesota's unique base (and paucity of challengers) than any particular aptitude on her part. She's a favorite of numberpundits because she kills it in approval and electoral results, but expecting that to transfer to rural Kansas, West Virginia, or Utah seems like a stretch.
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Barbara Lee/Nina Turner 2020.  I said this in another thread but I think Barbara Lee is the only person who has a credible chance at convincing me not to vote for Bernie in the 2020 primary. I doubt she runs though, sadly. Lightning Knight fucked around with this message at 22:01 on Nov 7, 2018 |
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axeil posted:At a bare minimum they're now serious VP contenders and Dems everywhere need to talk to them to figure out what the hell they did. it's called not running as a crypto-republican, op
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Lightning Knight posted:Barbara Lee/Nina Turner 2020. i keep forgetting babs i'll toss her in the Gillibrand And Up bucket and maybe remember this time
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The Muppets On PCP posted:it's called not running as a crypto-republican, op Cordray, who ran on a similar platform as Brown, lost pretty decisively. Not sure it is as clearcut as you imply
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Nov 7, 2018 22:47
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QuoProQuid posted:Cordray, who ran on a similar platform as Brown, lost pretty decisively. Cordray losing and Brown winning is actually fairly baffling to me and one of the bigger mysterious of last night that ought to be investigated.
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I dont think Amy is terribly charismatic and a bit too centrist. Remember her appearance with Bernie on that cnn thing about healthcare where she just blithered about the truth in the middle  I'm glad she won again but I'd rather she stay here than try to go national.
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Lightning Knight posted:Cordray losing and Brown winning is actually fairly baffling to me and one of the bigger mysterious of last night that ought to be investigated. I agree, they seem very similar Maybe its just incumbency advantage?
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The Glumslinger posted:I agree, they seem very similar I think it's probably incumbency, Brown is more charismatic in relative terms, and Brown is probably viewed as a local boy where Cordray was probably tainted by his work at the Federal level.
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Lightning Knight posted:Cordray losing and Brown winning is actually fairly baffling to me and one of the bigger mysterious of last night that ought to be investigated. Ehh - they are not all that similar in practice. Sherrod is a known quantity around the state, a multi-term incumbent, and has personal views seemingly to the left of his campaign messaging. Cordray is a relative unknown around the state, rode the Obama 1st wave to Ohio AG then jumped to Washington for the 2nd term (CFPB is good though), and seems to takes stances more toward the center to try to win suburban voters. The big differentiator here was the opponent though... (Governor Elect) DeWine has been elected statewide repeatedly, takes a generally Kasich-like centrist approach, and the family name itself is legendary in Ohio politics (2nd only to Taft). On the other hand, Renacci is nearly Ted Cruz-levels of skeeviness and pond-scuminess, embraces Trumpism wholeheartedly, and has never run or won a statewide campaign.
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Doesn’t that suggest name recognition, not leftist politics, are important to winning?
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QuoProQuid posted:Doesn’t that suggest name recognition, not leftist politics, are important to winning? I thought it was fairly well-understood that name recognition was one of the strongest predictors of political success. It won't do you any good if you elect 535 Democratic congresspeople who are all clones of Joe Manchin when we're all going to die to global warming in 20 years tho.
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https://thehill.com/hilltv/what-americas-thinking/415500-biden-leads-dem-voters-list-of-potential-2020-contenders-pollquote:Twenty-five percent of respondents said Biden would be their preferred nominee. Sanders, who ran in the Democratic presidential primary in 2016, came in second with 18 percent.  (They only asked about these six people, weirdly? Weird to waste a slot on a non-candidate.)
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The top candidate was "None of the Above" with 30% of the vote.
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Color me shocked that the Hill produced a garbage piece of journalism lol. They asked 680 people, a mix of Democrats and independents, and included Hillary and Bloomberg. If they hadn't included Hillary and Bloomberg and had only asked Democrats I can't imagine they'd have gotten such a dumb result.
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Lightning Knight posted:If they hadn't included Hillary and Bloomberg and had only asked Democrats I can't imagine they'd have gotten such a dumb result. Seriously though, Hillary still generates a shitload of hateclicks from the left and right, so expect this nonsense to continue.
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Paracaidas posted:I dunno, have you met Dems? When I say "dumb result" I mean getting "none of the above" as the most common answer. If they had only polled Democrats they would've gotten an actual name I imagine.
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Adar posted:https://www.cnbc.com/2018/11/07/democrats-bloomberg-and-steyer-become-kingmakers-as-both-mull-a-2020-run.html STOP AND GET FRISKED BY LORD MIKE. 
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I'd like to consider a Beto + Abrams (if she concedes) ticket for the White House. Send Gillum to be the House if possible, let Nancy run the caucus in the background since she can be hated against. My heart's with Bernie tho.
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lol Bernie saying white people uncomfortable with voting for a black persons aren’t necessarily racist. we’re beyond hosed.
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Groovelord Neato posted:lol Bernie saying white people uncomfortable with voting for a black persons aren’t necessarily racist. we’re beyond hosed. To paraphrase one of the guests on Citations Needed, if Bernie Sanders is where your leftism ends, then we are all hosed.
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Gatts posted:I'd like to consider a Beto + Abrams (if she concedes) ticket for the White House. Send Gillum to be the House if possible, let Nancy run the caucus in the background since she can be hated against. Beto is a loving loser who imitates Obama’s speaking patterns and was bit by the bipartisan bug. Anything less than a fighter is doom for us all. I’d rather have loving Basta then Beto o snooze. At least he’d stack the court
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^^^^ but he did air drumming in a car, which is apparently the liberal version of "being someone you'd want to have a beer with"Lightning Knight posted:To paraphrase one of the guests on Citations Needed, if Bernie Sanders is where your leftism ends, then we are all hosed. Bernie has a big problem with decorum and not being harsh enough against various bad actors, whether it's John McCain or the racist voters described here (and it's hard to get more explicitly racist than not voting for someone because they're black). I get where he's coming from (he has a sort of default compassion for any non-rich people), but it's basically a perspective caused by privilege. Unfortunately, there are literally no options who are willing to actually take significant measures to directly address systemic racism in our country. Almost no one is actually talking about any sort of meaningful reparations, ending de facto segregation, abolishing the police as they currently exist, abolishing private prisons* and completely reworking our justice system, etc. * Bernie actually has talked about this, apparently vvv Oh, I wasn't disagreeing with you Ytlaya fucked around with this message at 19:04 on Nov 8, 2018 |
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Ytlaya posted:Bernie has a big problem with decorum and not being harsh enough against various bad actors, whether it's John McCain or the racist voters described here (and it's hard to get more explicitly racist than not voting for someone because they're black). I get where he's coming from (he has a sort of default compassion for any non-rich people), but it's basically a perspective caused by privilege. I mean that wasn't me saying Bernie is worse than his competition so much as it is a lamentation at the state of American leftism.
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Here's Sanders doing early damage control on FB:quote:Let me be absolutely clear: Donald Trump, Brian Kemp and Ron DeSantis ran racist campaigns. One ad the Republicans put out was even rejected by Fox television because of its racist content. They used racist rhetoric to divide people and advance agendas that would harm the majority of Americans. Still basically giving a pass to anyone who bought in to the racist rhetoric (aka racist whites predisposed to respond to racist messaging) but at least calling some poo poo out.
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Wicked Them Beats posted:Here's Sanders doing early damage control on FB: Bernie is correct that from an electoralism perspective blaming the voters who fell for racist messaging isn’t productive. Even if morally they should be blamed.
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Trabisnikof posted:Bernie is correct that from an electoralism perspective blaming the voters who fell for racist messaging isn’t productive. Even if morally they should be blamed. True, though he's walking a fine line here and needs to really watch his wording. This statement doesn't have any soundbites as stupid as "not necessarily racist" so I think it works.
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Just a thought experiment from a tweet thread I read earlier: How important is “free trade” to you, a progressive voter? If the Dems compromised this position (and only this position) in 2020, would that be ok with you?
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Mahoning posted:Just a thought experiment from a tweet thread I read earlier: I am extremely here for plans to dismantle the free trade status quo in order to use trade agreements to coerce other countries to raise their labor standards and fight global warming. I’m not super interested in lame quasi-nationalist bring the factories back pandering to middle class suburbanites tho.
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Lightning Knight posted:I am extremely here for plans to dismantle the free trade status quo in order to use trade agreements to coerce other countries to raise their labor standards and fight global warming. Yeah, I agree. Total US steel production has been fairly stable (aside from during economic crashes) since the mid-80s. The kinds of tariffs required to cause the steel industry to decide to start building new plants in the US is gonna be ruinous to all of the downstream consumers of the steel. Thats ignoring how many of the job loses have come from increasing automation and improved logistics. But, using free trade agreements to enforce those kinds of policies is a good thing. As much as I hate to be an rear end in a top hat about this, that was a huge part of the TPP.
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