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CopperHound posted:Why does it feel like the only seriously proposed options are these?:
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bawfuls posted:Because the solution that would be effective (government directly building copious new housing) is spooky socialism Selling it to more centrist/apolitical people though, that'd be a harder feat, since doing a lot of it would definitely require substantial new taxes.
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Nov 8, 2018 20:55
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*in an extremely snooty voice* De Leon showed his rear end and I shan't be voting for him again
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Megaman's Jockstrap posted:*in an extremely snooty voice* De Leon showed his rear end and I shan't be voting for him again Agreed, OP.
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Nov 8, 2018 21:31
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SlimGoodbody posted:Listen to the Feinstein episode of The Dollop. She's a demon.  (link for the lazy)
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Nov 8, 2018 21:55
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My backyard is on fire again. 10,000 acres and growing fast. Tens of thousands evacuated in Butte County and the sun hasn't come out yet from behind the thick blanket of smoke. We also just re-elected Doug LaMalfa, a climate change denier, to represent District 1, which covers most of Northern California. Sometimes I feel like the entire North State is going to have to burn down before people conclude we should actually do something about this global warming thing.
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Tacier posted:My backyard is on fire again. 10,000 acres and growing fast. Tens of thousands evacuated in Butte County and the sun hasn't come out yet from behind the thick blanket of smoke. We also just re-elected Doug LaMalfa, a climate change denier, to represent District 1, which covers most of Northern California. https://twitter.com/AP/status/1060656673541492746 Thanks for the update, AP
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Nov 8, 2018 23:36
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Smoke has reached Oakland already too.
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There's a big fire that based on the smoke appears to be south of SJ, although the only one I see on the CA Fire map is in Santa Cruz and not big enough to be generating as much smoke as I'm seeing.
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Nov 8, 2018 23:54
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Welcome to November??? I need to go spend some money in Siskiyou County soon because I like it up there and they had to deal with a thick blanket of smoke all summer.
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Nov 8, 2018 23:56
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i'm in contra costa and i'm seriously wondering if increasing the AQI by 50 points is worth visiting my parents this weekend
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Nov 9, 2018 00:00
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I'm so glad I impulse bought an air purifier last night
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Nov 9, 2018 00:05
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Tacier posted:Butte County
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https://twitter.com/RobElvington/status/1060327553552965632
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Nov 9, 2018 00:07
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California Politics Thread: Worse than no rain is negative rain.
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Nov 9, 2018 00:24
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Cicero posted:You could almost certainly get YIMBYs on board with this. Most just want lots more new housing, and aren't too picky about where it comes from. Yimbys are fine with huge amounts of government housing, they just consider the idea a pie in the sky socialist fantasy given our political climate.
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Cicero posted:California Politics Thread: Worse than no rain is negative rain. Maybe Trump has a point about the ocean stealing all our rivers.
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Ventura County isn't hurting enough, certainly: https://twitter.com/VCFD_PIO/status/1060675906132500482 All these fires reports that are like, "the fire, which started two minutes ago, is at 10,000 acres and has destroyed 200 buildings."
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ProperGanderPusher posted:Yimbys are fine with huge amounts of government housing, they just consider the idea a pie in the sky socialist fantasy given our political climate. Which is why if really want actual housing to ever get built, you need to let the profit-seekers loose on the problem rather than expecting some utopian tax-funded solution to appear that will suddenly appeal to the voters that actually are out there.
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predicto posted:Which is why if really want actual housing to ever get built, you need to let the profit-seekers loose on the problem rather than expecting some utopian tax-funded solution to appear that will suddenly appeal to the voters that actually are out there. 
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https://twitter.com/AnthonyFarnell/status/1060649668915482625
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CPColin posted:All these fires reports that are like, "the fire, which started two minutes ago, is at 10,000 acres and has destroyed 200 buildings." Wind is a motherfucker. Guess I'm gonna be staying indoors today.
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I doubt de Leon will run again. By the time Feinstein‘s reign is up, Dems will probably run another cop or corporate poo poo head to succeed her.
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predicto posted:Which is why if really want actual housing to ever get built, you need to let the profit-seekers loose on the problem rather than expecting some utopian tax-funded solution to appear that will suddenly appeal to the voters that actually are out there.
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I'm following live streamed reporting from someone listening to emergency radio channels and he's making it sound like the majority of the town of Paradise (30,000+ people) has been damaged or destroyed by the Camp Fire. The town is situated on a ridge with few exits and one of the main ones has been completely blocked by fallen trees and burning cars. Hwy 99 is closed too. The unbelievable speed of its spread into populated areas reminds me of the Carr Fire, but much closer to home. Here's a nice video of what it's like up there right now. Tons of people I know grew up there and I do a lot of work for the town professionally. I hope it's not as bad as it sounds. No way to know until morning.
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Tacier posted:I'm following live streamed reporting from someone listening to emergency radio channels and he's making it sound like the majority of the town of Paradise (30,000+ people) has been damaged or destroyed by the Camp Fire. The town is situated on a ridge with few exits and one of the main ones has been completely blocked by fallen trees and burning cars. Hwy 99 is closed too. The unbelievable speed of its spread into populated areas reminds me of the Carr Fire, but much closer to home. Jesus. Those videos of people driving past/through the wildfires always look like Hell on Earth.
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bawfuls posted:excellent post/avi/title combo well done I aim to please.
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Cup Runneth Over posted:Jesus. Those videos of people driving past/through the wildfires always look like Hell on Earth. that one of the 101 in LA last year was absolutely terrifying https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uc0uRdMOSmg
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predicto posted:that one of the 101 in LA last year was absolutely terrifying That's the 405. It literally says that in the description.
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All highways in CA are either the 1 or the 101.
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predicto posted:Which is why if really want actual housing to ever get built, you need to let the profit-seekers loose on the problem rather than expecting some utopian tax-funded solution to appear that will suddenly appeal to the voters that actually are out there. The profit seekers make the problem worse. https://www.salon.com/2018/11/04/despite-thorough-debunking-neoliberal-housing-politics-prevail-in-the-bay-area/
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Skippy McPants posted:All highways in CA are either the 1 or the 101. That’s some coastal elitism. The best highway is 395, clearly Stay safe goons
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Jaxyon posted:That's the 405. It literally says that in the description. fffffffuuuucccc All SoCal looks the same to me
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predicto posted:Which is why if really want actual housing to ever get built, you need to let the profit-seekers loose on the problem rather than expecting some utopian tax-funded solution to appear that will suddenly appeal to the voters that actually are out there. Also, can we please change the title to: Cicero posted:California Politics Thread: Worse than no rain is negative rain. Feinstein’s name just makes me sad.
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Tacier posted:We also just re-elected Doug LaMalfa, a climate change denier, to represent District 1, which covers most of Northern California. My fiance and I were just recently driving through an area with a campaign sign of his was postedthat said "Doug LaMalfa: he's one of us" What... does that mean
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SlimGoodbody posted:My fiance and I were just recently driving through an area with a campaign sign of his was postedthat said "Doug LaMalfa: he's one of us" White and right wing.
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fermun posted:The profit seekers make the problem worse. I admit that I am a YIMBY. But I do not find that article persuasive, and the people who are quoted in it are the administrators and activists that are personally invested in continuing doing business the way we currently do, including the current members of the bloated Planning Commission. We haven't built even a tiny fraction of the housing that demand calls for, and we make it so difficult to do that only luxury housing is profitable. From this they extrapolate that no non-luxury housing will ever be built except by the current cumbersome methods. I admit that I am not in the housing business and am not an expert, but I have had enough discussions with a couple of people who do housing regulation for a living in SF to come to the the conclusion that a lot of their thinking is more ideologically based than empirically based. My view probably is ideological as well, although I don't think of myself as a neoliberal on other issues, like the need for unions, anti-privitization, environmental regulation, living wages, etc. So I dunno.
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The entire article is bullshit peddled by ideologues who are more interested in their identity as “social justice warriors” (god i hate that term but that’s what they all but peg themselves as in a loving quote in the article) than actually accomplishing anything constructive for anyone they purportedly seek to serve. Their argument essentially boils down to “we only allowed a tiny amount of market rate housing to be built and that only resulted in an even tinier amount of affordable housing to be built so obviously we should stop allowing even that pittance to be built”.
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The biggest problem I have with the YIMBYs is that the only places where opportunistic politicians will ever test their ideas are in low income minority neighborhoods. We could avoid displacing poor people if the upzoning and housing developments were taking place in wealthier areas. I want to see rows and rows of housing towers rise up in Silicon Valley much more than I want to see denser development concentrated over in the East Bay. It would even make more economic sense given that Silicon Valley is where all of the new jobs are.
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Snipee posted:The biggest problem I have with the YIMBYs is that the only places where opportunistic politicians will ever test their ideas are in low income minority neighborhoods. We could avoid displacing poor people if the upzoning and housing developments were taking place in wealthier areas. I want to see rows and rows of housing towers rise up in Silicon Valley much more than I want to see denser development concentrated over in the East Bay. It would even make more economic sense given that Silicon Valley is where all of the new jobs are. Interesting. I disagree completely on both fronts. I am concerned by how much of the YIMBY conversation is about furthering social/capital investment in the wealthier communities while ignoring development in the poorer ones. And likewise, I'd rather we invest more money in the East Bay for new housing, private or public, than further invest it in communities that already receive disproportionate infrastructure investment now. Not only are the relative benefits greater, but we can avoid parts of the displacement issue by building in brownfield. There are over 1,000 acres of brownfield in Oakland alone. We can build a lot of housing on that land and do so in a responsible way, all while vastly minimizing resident displacement. If that's too expensive for the private market's taste, we should do it with public dollars rather than change our definition of "responsible" to make it meet the needs of private profit margins. Trabisnikof fucked around with this message at 08:44 on Nov 9, 2018 |
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