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Trabisnikof posted:Interesting. I disagree completely on both fronts. I am concerned by how much of the YIMBY conversation is about furthering social/capital investment in the wealthier communities while ignoring development in the poorer ones. And likewise, I'd rather we invest more money in the East Bay for new housing, private or public, than further invest it in communities that already receive disproportionate infrastructure investment now. Agreed, there's no reason to keep building in already overcrowded cities. We can build further inland without displacing people, on much cheaper land. We have tons of investment on the coast already, let's try and make life nicer for the rest of the state.
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I drive from Sonoma to Napa today and thought it was cloud cover that was covering the valleys; only once I got to my meeting did I realize that it was in fact smoke from the Camp Fire. On my flight back to SD we flew over the Ventura fire. It’s all a bit surreal.
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Welp, that fire I’ve been posting about comfortably from 10 miles away is now knocking on my door in Chico. Pretty unreal how fast it’s moving. First time I’ve seen evacuation orders here in a while. Watching the approaching flames at night is legitimately unnerving. Amazing that an entire medium sized town that existed this morning no longer exists.
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Speaking of urban planning, this seems like a relevant video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LdeirDrinWk
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ProperGanderPusher posted:Yimbys are fine with huge amounts of government housing, they just consider the idea a pie in the sky socialist fantasy given our political climate. That said, if any state could do it, it's probably California, and while YIMBY's aren't going to take the lead there, they'd at least tacitly support it. Hell, maybe you could do a compromise bill that introduced huge public housing projects while simultaneously doing massive upzoning (you'd probably want that to make the housing projects more feasible anyway), then they'd be on board fo realz.
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Danann posted:Speaking of urban planning, this seems like a relevant video: Agreed. I tried to get the thread into this earlier but nobody was having it 
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Tacier posted:Amazing that an entire medium sized town that existed this morning no longer exists. Same thing happened with another chunk of the family during the fires last year. That house had been in the family for a couple generations, and last I saw, it was a brick chimney standing in a pile of Ash and rubble.
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Robot Hobo posted:Yesterday afternoon I heard from part of my family that they were fleeing their home in Paradise, CA because it looked like the fire was almost upon them. They're safe, but no word about their house yet. Should have made the rest of it out of brick
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Danann posted:Speaking of urban planning, this seems like a relevant video: Yeah this video finally helped me get my head around the housing debate. It also helped identify capitalism as the root of the problem and explore political ideologies based on that observation.
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Cup Runneth Over posted:Agreed, there's no reason to keep building in already overcrowded cities. We can build further inland without displacing people, on much cheaper land. We have tons of investment on the coast already, let's try and make life nicer for the rest of the state. I am assuming that people suggesting we build housing a 2+ hour commute from jobs are implicitly also suggesting we build tons of public transportation too. As someone else said: if you build housing in the eat bay, upzone the peninsula and build poo poo loads of trains then we might be getting somewhere. I think I just suggested spending about a trillion dollars, but I'm ok with that.
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Cup Runneth Over posted:Agreed, there's no reason to keep building in already overcrowded cities. We can build further inland without displacing people, on much cheaper land. We have tons of investment on the coast already, let's try and make life nicer for the rest of the state. That doesn't mean we should outright force people to live in high-density cities, of course, but the fact that the government outright prevents people from doing so even when they want to is absolutely insane. Imagine if people were trying to recycle more and pollute less and local governments were not only refraining from encouraging them, but outright blocking them from doing so. That's the situation we're at for housing and the environment. Local governments are intentionally hurting the environment, and people who claim to be progressive are supporting them in this. Boot and Rally posted:I am assuming that people suggesting we build housing a 2+ hour commute from jobs are implicitly also suggesting we build tons of public transportation too. As someone else said: if you build housing in the eat bay, upzone the peninsula and build poo poo loads of trains then we might be getting somewhere. edit: the government building a lot of public housing in cheaper areas makes sense, but there should still be public housing in expensive cities, and the market should still be allowed to build more in those cities Cicero fucked around with this message at 16:30 on Nov 9, 2018 |
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Cup Runneth Over posted:Agreed. I tried to get the thread into this earlier but nobody was having it Cheer up! It worked last time as I'm a Patron of his now!
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Danann posted:Speaking of urban planning, this seems like a relevant video: This is really well done. Thanks.
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That guy also did a video on KILLDOZER https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yvl_7_Up7zU
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so as of last night the entire state has 4.48M ballots left to process. for counties relevant to swing CDs, LA county has 984k left to process; orange county has 419,956; san berdoo has 203,563; san joaquin has 91,770; and stanislaus is still pending. who knows maybe this might swing some more stuff in a month's time
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ProperGanderPusher posted:I know at least several people who purposely don’t vote because “there’s no difference between Dems and the GOP” and “all props are designed to screw you over one way or another and you’re an idiot for trusting the government at all”. They then send me a link of that one George Carlin bit and go on their way. They're not wrong on either count and Dems aren't owed a vote for passively bleeding you dry instead of actively killing you
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There's massive working class resentment to the powers that be in this country and the Dems resist ever trying to engage those folks, throw tantrums when someone tries, and will never willing allow a third party the platform to reach them. They are every bit as culpable as the fascists
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Pomp posted:There's massive working class resentment to the powers that be in this country and the Dems resist ever trying to engage those folks, throw tantrums when someone tries, and will never willing allow a third party the platform to reach them. They are every bit as culpable as the fascists Primary them. If there is an untapped segment of the population, the votes are there, so take advantage of them. Establishment Democrats aren't genuinely going to entertain socialist policies at any point. You have to put in the work to get them out, starting at the local level.
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AFancyQuestionMark posted:Primary them. If there is an untapped segment of the population, the votes are there, so take advantage of them. Establishment Democrats aren't genuinely going to entertain socialist policies at any point. You have to put in the work to get them out, starting at the local level. The jungle primary throws a wrench into that plan.
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AFancyQuestionMark posted:Primary them. If there is an untapped segment of the population, the votes are there, so take advantage of them. Establishment Democrats aren't genuinely going to entertain socialist policies at any point. You have to put in the work to get them out, starting at the local level. Having any time at all for that poo poo is a significant privilege on its own
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Trabisnikof posted:The jungle primary throws a wrench into that plan. Full instant-runoff now.
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Trabisnikof posted:The jungle primary throws a wrench into that plan. I don't see how. If you end up in an Establishment Dem vs. Socialist Dem situation in the General Election, and you have a message that appeals to these untapped voters, the Socialist Dem has a shot at winning. Sure, this doesn't happen over a single election cycle, because establishment figures are by definition holding all the levers of the party, but that's why you start at the local level. If even New York with its Cuomo machine-politics can elect left-wing candidates, so can California. At least, I would hope so.
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Pomp posted:There's massive working class resentment to the powers that be in this country and the Dems resist ever trying to engage those folks, throw tantrums when someone tries, and will never willing allow a third party the platform to reach them. They are every bit as culpable as the fascists Yep. The DNC leadership is composed of the same old, moneyed interests as the GOP. They don't want to upend the social order because it throws a wrench in their mechanisms of wealth and power.  There's not an easy solution either, because third parties don't really work all that well in our political system and AOC-style challenges from the left are difficult to pull off and would need to happen in a massive tea party-style wave to really have enough sway to force the DNC kicking and screaming further to the left. Maybe the growing popularity of UHC will start to clue folks in that socialism is actually cool and good and get more voters to back candidates who are promising more, but I'm skeptical.
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We also need to make it easier to vote. I don't think people are really processing how bad our voting infrastructure is. It's the kind of poo poo that other countries look at and say "dude, that's not how you do it!"
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Thank Christ I have this gear for when I’m airbrushing. I am getting some odd looks while walking around though. 
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Megaman's Jockstrap posted:We also need to make it easier to vote. I don't think people are really processing how bad our voting infrastructure is. It's the kind of poo poo that other countries look at and say "dude, that's not how you do it!" A fellow goon and friend of mine who lives in Australia was all "wow you guys are really dedicated to the whole institutionalized voter suppression thing" when I reminded him we hold elections on a non-holiday weekday. He's not wrong.
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AFancyQuestionMark posted:I don't see how. If you end up in an Establishment Dem vs. Socialist Dem situation in the General Election, and you have a message that appeals to these untapped voters, the Socialist Dem has a shot at winning. Sure, this doesn't happen over a single election cycle, because establishment figures are by definition holding all the levers of the party, but that's why you start at the local level. If even New York with its Cuomo machine-politics can elect left-wing candidates, so can California. At least, I would hope so. Except for not really, since the Republicans will vote for a conservative Dem to shut out the socialist. If AOC’s district had been in California she might have lost to Crowley in the general rather than defeating him once and for all in the primary. He would have campaigned hard, since the jungle primary means he wouldn’t be turning against the party by doing so.
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Trabisnikof posted:The jungle primary throws a wrench into that plan. It's almost certainly easier on the local level, and we need to build that local power in order to do it on a state wide level.
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Danann posted:Speaking of urban planning, this seems like a relevant video: chiming in to say that all of donoteats videos are real good
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Trabisnikof posted:Except for not really, since the Republicans will vote for a conservative Dem to shut out the socialist. didn't a ton of KDL's votes come from rural californian conservatives who didn't know who he was but sure hated the hell out of feinstein because are gunz
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Jerry Manderbilt posted:didn't a ton of KDL's votes come from rural californian conservatives who didn't know who he was but sure hated the hell out of feinstein because are gunz I'm sure that would have changed had he done any campaigning or was a real threat to Feinstein.
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Cup Runneth Over posted:Agreed, there's no reason to keep building in already overcrowded cities. We can build further inland without displacing people, on much cheaper land. We have tons of investment on the coast already, let's try and make life nicer for the rest of the state. We need denser cities, not more suburbs. It's better for the environment and better for being close to jobs. If California's cities feel overcrowded it's because (like SF) they keep trying to count to the idea that they're mid-sized cities instead of embracing density. It's embarrassing how much of a suburb San Jose is, for example. DeadlyMuffin fucked around with this message at 19:58 on Nov 9, 2018 |
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Trabisnikof posted:Except for not really, since the Republicans will vote for a conservative Dem to shut out the socialist. In this situation, that just means the more conservative Dem is more reflective of the people in their district. It's not some failing of the electoral process.
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Oof https://twitter.com/CNNValencia/status/1060952948774260736
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Hot drat my work is right on the other side of I-5 and the river from the Griffith Park fire.
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Papercut posted:In this situation, that just means the more conservative Dem is more reflective of the people in their district. It's not some failing of the electoral process. Maybe, but the start of the discussion was "well don't like the dems, primary them" but if the structure of our primary means that general election voters will be given a choice between a conservative Democrat and a radical one then trying to primary the conservative doesn't work.
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DeadlyMuffin posted:We need denser cities, not more suburbs. It's better for the environment and better for being close to jobs. Cicero posted:Sure there is: it's more environmentally friendly for people to take up less space. The Sierra Club supports infill development not because they're capitalist shills for developers, they do it because they understand it's better for the environment if we leave as much of it alone as possible (plus it's more energy- and probably water-efficient). I'm not talking about more suburbs and didn't say anything about overcrowding. You can build high density housing inland without displacing anyone. In fact the cities there would probably froth at the mouth for the chance at some real investment. Yes we also need to improve our public transit, but this is a way we can build a ton more housing without ruining people's lives and I think long commutes are inherently sorta worth that?
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We need Bay City. We need to unify our metros. What I'm saying is: All Glory to ABAG!
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GATOS Y VATOS posted:Thank Christ I have this gear for when I’m airbrushing. I am getting some odd looks while walking around though. does the face mask help at all when painting? i do airbrushing for scale models and just have the respirator part
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CPColin posted:Full instant-runoff now. I'd say Approval Voting is a better option, though IRV is a better option than what we have now
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