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Phlegmish posted:That and the episode where Lisa is afraid of going to hell for stealing cable were really uncomfortable and weird to European audiences. I was raised like like Lisa to worry about going to hell and the episode was normal to me. You have to remember that even in 2018 outside of our major cities and a few coastal states the US is still very conservative and it has always been a conservative country since the beginning. I can say If that episode was brand new and shown today most people in the US would not think it was weird. DropsySufferer fucked around with this message at 11:29 on Nov 9, 2018 |
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Gutcruncher posted:Wait in the 2000s there were actually people still banning Simpsons in their homes? What the gently caress We only got Simpsons on terrestrial TV in the UK in like 1996 and they also weren't allowed to read newspapers.
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Nov 9, 2018 12:30
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Martman posted:Speaking of which, http://malkorganics.com/products/ lol I like how it has only 20% of the calcium you'd get in actual milk, explaining why the drinker's bones are so brittle.
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goldenninjawarrior posted:We only got Simpsons on terrestrial TV in the UK in like 1996 and they also weren't allowed to read newspapers. We had cable in the UK that gave us Sky One, which had the Simpsons from 1990. I remember there being loads of chatter about how rude it was and how it wasn't suitable for children. My parents decided to tape the episodes, watch them and then decide if it was okay for me (age 6) and my brother (age 11) to watch them. They did this for three episodes before going "what the hell this isn't even remotely risque" and just let us watch it normally.
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Nov 9, 2018 13:27
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Gutcruncher posted:Wait in the 2000s there were actually people still banning Simpsons in their homes? What the gently caress I remember seeing the South Park Movie on opening night and there were some women in line in front of my friends that had the following exchange:  "What is South Park?" It's a cartoon that's raunchier than The SimpsonsA lot of the moral panic that revolved around The Simpsons was that they were a lot more realistic of a family instead of the squeaky clean nuclear families that were on all the other sitcoms (barring Married with Children).
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Nov 9, 2018 13:36
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Also everyone was head-exploding over the idea of "A cartoon? FOR ADULTS???!?" (Yes, everything from Bugs Bunny to the Flintstones was originally aimed at all ages, but had universally entered the realm of "thing you put on TV to entertain the toddlers" by the 80s)
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Nov 9, 2018 13:55
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Data Graham posted:Also everyone was head-exploding over the idea of "A cartoon? FOR ADULTS???!?" Cartoons in the 70's and 80's were pretty goddamn dire
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Nov 9, 2018 14:02
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Quote-Unquote posted:The Simpsons from 1990. In 1991 I can't think of a single boy in our school who wasn't watching "Bottom". The Rik Mayall/Ade Edmondson living cartoon about two wankers who fight and fart and talk about hard-ons for half an hour every week. Yeah, it was on after the watershed, but we'd all watch it anyway.
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Nov 9, 2018 15:21
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I will never get how Americans can be so utterly aggressive and violent about so many things and then utterly balless about something like The Simpsons.
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Nov 9, 2018 16:32
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Nutsngum posted:I will never get how Americans can be so utterly aggressive and violent about so many things and then utterly balless about something like The Simpsons. You know, one thing I've learned is, we have no problem with all kinds of blood gore and violence on TV, but once there's a titty on screen, that's way too far
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Nov 9, 2018 16:38
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DropsySufferer posted:I was raised like like Lisa to worry about going to hell and the episode was normal to me. I got the impression that it was finally changing, half a century after the rest of the developed world turned secular? Even today's alt-right types are more likely to be smug atheists than conservative Christians. Of course, I know the US mostly through the lens of the Internet, and I realize that's not representative.
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Nov 9, 2018 16:45
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More than 70% of the US still identifies as Christian. This has been constantly decreasing for many years (it was more like 80-85% in the 90s) but it is still not nearly as dechristianized as the Western European nations.
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i mean even if you yourself are not religious is it really so weird to watch a story about an 8 year old girl worrying about morality and sort of take the hell aspect as a metaphor for the general consequences of not living what she perceives to be a moral life or is it just beep boop i am a man from estonia or whatever and i have never seen a church somehow thus i cannot ever relate or understand this
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Nov 9, 2018 16:58
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I didn't think much of it and I doubt most people here did, but I definitely remember my dad being all 'what is this poo poo' He didn't try to keep me from watching The Simpsons to protect me from dangerous fundamentalist influences, though.
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Riptor posted:i mean even if you yourself are not religious is it really so weird to watch a story about an 8 year old girl worrying about morality and sort of take the hell aspect as a metaphor for the general consequences of not living what she perceives to be a moral life Nobody, Lisa included, would have cared that Homer stole cable, except hell is a real place where you will go if you eat two grapes without paying. It was a bit weird to a kid from godless commieland, yeah. Compare it to Marge be not Proud. It's a huge deal to Marge that Bart shoplifted because she's worried about what sort of person he's becoming, what sort of mother she is etc
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Riptor posted:No, no! The PTA has not disbanded 
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Right, in the UK all us school kids were watching Bottom, Red Dwarf, Blackadder. We had Carry On... on TV, with the boobies. We had Queen's I Want To Break Free, where men... *gulp* dressed as *whispers* ladies (banned in the US, too naughty). The Simpsons being risque was mindboggling
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Iron Crowned posted:I remember seeing the South Park Movie on opening night and there were some women in line in front of my friends that had the following exchange: Does anyone else really hate the word raunchy.
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Alan_Shore posted:Right, in the UK all us school kids were watching Bottom, Red Dwarf, Blackadder. We had Carry On... on TV, with the boobies. We had Queen's I Want To Break Free, where men... *gulp* dressed as *whispers* ladies (banned in the US, too naughty). Keep in mind that parents in the US, from 1981 through approximately 1994, were absolutely terrified of their children seeing womens' nipples Then Friends came about and changed the game completely
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Not a Children posted:Keep in mind that parents in the US, from 1981 through approximately 1994, were absolutely terrified of their children seeing womens' nipples Oh sure, I get it now, but even still, it's just so crazy how different our cultures are (one of my favourite things that points this out is in Evil Dead 2, where the only thing that the BBFC cut out was Ash being kicked on the floor, because in Blighty we don't kick a man when he's down. And at the same time MTV was loving terrified of men in dresses)
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Not a Children posted:Keep in mind that parents in the US, from 1981 through approximately 1994, were absolutely terrified of their children seeing womens' nipples What did friends do? I never got into it
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Milo and POTUS posted:What did friends do? I never got into it Turned down the thermostat on set whenever Jennifer Aniston was on.
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It's interesting that Friends came up, because my dad (yeah again I know, he just loves to go ohhh Americans  ) likes to use it as proof that American culture is really weird and puritan, 'even in New York'. Especially that one episode where everyone is losing their poo poo because they saw each other naked in the shower or something. I always have to explain that even though Friends is set in Manhattan, it doesn't necessarily accurately reflect the attitudes (or the demographics for that matter) of the inhabitants of NYC.
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Milo and POTUS posted:Does anyone else really hate the word raunchy. It's gross to read, worse to hear.
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Hey, I just realized nobody really talks about "Lisa the Iconoclast." It's not the worst episode, but having stumbled upon it today I was reminded that at the time it came out, I thought it was considerably lame and signaled the beginning of the end. I'll take a dozen "Saddlesore Galacticas" before I watch something as milquetoast as that episode.
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Is "Saddlesore Galactica" the elf jockey one? Because that's the first episode I remember watching and thinking "this is just awful. Nonsensical. Embarrassing" Edit: I was 15. Christ I remember it like it was yesterday. The trauma Alan_Shore fucked around with this message at 20:10 on Nov 9, 2018 |
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Drink-Mix Man posted:Hey, I just realized nobody really talks about "Lisa the Iconoclast." It's not the worst episode, but having stumbled upon it today I was reminded that at the time it came out, I thought it was considerably lame and signaled the beginning of the end. What the HELL Lisa the Iconoclast is a perfectly cromulent episode
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Riptor posted:i mean even if you yourself are not religious is it really so weird to watch a story about an 8 year old girl worrying about morality and sort of take the hell aspect as a metaphor for the general consequences of not living what she perceives to be a moral life I don't remember if there's any of it in the Lisa episode, but there was at least one episode that ran with some serious hellfire and brimstone imagery as punishment for doing something completely harmless. It was either that episode or Homer the Heretic, I wanna say. It weirded me the hell out that people took issue with suggesting adults had naked bodies or Bart saying "hell drat fart" but the message that you will be tortured for eternity if you consciously skip church or steal cable is not just fine, but actually good parenting.
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I mean part of the point is that those were over-the-top representations of American puritan morality. The problem is that there's a very vocal contingent of Americans that not only believe those things but believe that their very mortal souls are dependent upon believing and upholding and evangelizing them, and they didn't really enjoy being mocked
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Yeah, I mean, I had no issue with the Treehouse episode where Homer sells his soul and goes to hell for a day, because that was obviously a joke, but I do remember one episode using it as an actual moral and being weirded out. I was also really puzzled when I first learned that there were young adults who used South Park as a moral compass because I tuned it out pretty early after some oddly preachy episodes about atheism and global warming.
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Might be thinking of Homer the Heretic, where Homer is almost actually consumed by fire as the result of his hubris? I thought that whole thing was really flippant about it but gave a nod to well-maybe-there-is-something-there-after-all As for South Park: The other fun part of American morality is never, ever critically analyzing the things that agree with your beliefs
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Alan_Shore posted:Right, in the UK all us school kids were watching Bottom, Red Dwarf, Blackadder. We had Carry On... on TV, with the boobies. We had Queen's I Want To Break Free, where men... *gulp* dressed as *whispers* ladies (banned in the US, too naughty). We did have an episode of Star Trek banned because it referenced Irish reunification.
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Alan_Shore posted:Right, in the UK all us school kids were watching Bottom, Red Dwarf, Blackadder. We had Carry On... on TV, with the boobies. We had Queen's I Want To Break Free, where men... *gulp* dressed as *whispers* ladies (banned in the US, too naughty). This is also around the time the Vice President of the United States of America pubically stated that Murphy Brown was not a great role model.
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Zulily Zoetrope posted:I don't remember if there's any of it in the Lisa episode, but there was at least one episode that ran with some serious hellfire and brimstone imagery as punishment for doing something completely harmless. It was either that episode or Homer the Heretic, I wanna say. It weirded me the hell out that people took issue with suggesting adults had naked bodies or Bart saying "hell drat fart" but the message that you will be tortured for eternity if you consciously skip church or steal cable is not just fine, but actually good parenting. Not a Children posted:Might be thinking of Homer the Heretic, where Homer is almost actually consumed by fire as the result of his hubris? I thought that whole thing was really flippant about it but gave a nod to well-maybe-there-is-something-there-after-all It's in the same episode everyone's talking about - Homer vs Lisa and the 8th Commandment - where, upon feeling conflicted about watching stolen cable with the rest of the family Lisa sees a vision of them consumed in fire and literally sitting with the devil:  but again this is a depiction of Lisa's conflict with the issue - it's not the show saying "yes this is indeed a deserved punishment".
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hand-fed baby bird posted:We did have an episode of Star Trek banned because it referenced Irish reunification. The town I went to Uni in has had Monty Python's Life of Brian banned for over 30 years: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/mid/7514423.stm The mayor of the town was also played Brian's girlfriend. 
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Alan_Shore posted:Right, in the UK all us school kids were watching Bottom, Red Dwarf, Blackadder. We had Carry On... on TV, with the boobies. We had Queen's I Want To Break Free, where men... *gulp* dressed as *whispers* ladies (banned in the US, too naughty). My mum banned me from watching The Young Ones when I was 12.
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Not a Children posted:As for South Park: The other fun part of American morality is never, ever critically analyzing the things that agree with your beliefs lol, that's a human thing, not an American one.
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Nutsngum posted:I will never get how Americans can be so utterly aggressive and violent about so many things and then utterly balless about something like The Simpsons. In certain parts of the country, there's pretty much a constant one-upping contest of who can be the most "Christian." Instead of doing volunteer work or giving to charity though, it's usually over who can consider the most fun things as evil.
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Riptor posted:It's in the same episode everyone's talking about - Homer vs Lisa and the 8th Commandment - where, upon feeling conflicted about watching stolen cable with the rest of the family Lisa sees a vision of them consumed in fire and literally sitting with the devil: Yeah, that's the scene. I'll grant that I remember it being much darker than it actually was, but that was definitely the most off-putting Simpsons moment of my childhood.
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Drunken Baker posted:In 1991 I can't think of a single boy in our school who wasn't watching "Bottom". The Rik Mayall/Ade Edmondson living cartoon about two wankers who fight and fart and talk about hard-ons for half an hour every week. Yeah, it was on after the watershed, but we'd all watch it anyway. bbc 2 was the best on friday nights back then Bottom, fast show, shooting stars good times for young croc.
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