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"Boros Aggro" is probably mentor-based, whereas "r/w aggro" is just good r/w cards.
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Skyl3lazer posted:How does Jeskai Control lose against this field lmao Doesn't get paired against Golgari and Boros decks enough. It's definitely not favored vs Phoenix decks. Also this standard format has shifted so much I honestly don't know if the current mono red decks beat Jeskai or not.
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Nov 9, 2018 20:38
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The R/W one is basically mono-white splashing Heroic Reinforcements, while the Boros one could be the Mentor deck with a lot of gold cards.Skyl3lazer posted:How does Jeskai Control lose against this field lmao
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Nov 9, 2018 20:40
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Skyl3lazer posted:How does Jeskai Control lose against this field lmao It doesn't look great for Jeskai to me? Jeskai's aggro matchup isn't the greatest unless it's sacrificing part of it's gameplan against G/B, Phoenixes, and other control decks. Skyl3lazer posted:"Boros Aggro" is probably mentor-based, whereas "r/w aggro" is just good r/w cards. Boros aggro may be at least slightly mentor based, but r/w aggro is probably white weenie + Heroic Reinforcements.
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Nov 9, 2018 20:42
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Marketing New Brain posted:I'm of the opinion the phoenix decks are the best decks and whoever gets the build right should take down standard. Same, deck is just crazy powerful and it has the best card selection in the format
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Nov 9, 2018 20:42
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Marketing New Brain posted:Doesn't get paired against Golgari and Boros decks enough. It's definitely not favored vs Phoenix decks. Also this standard format has shifted so much I honestly don't know if the current mono red decks beat Jeskai or not. Eli Kassis's build from the GP with -1 shock +1 seal away is pretty great vs. phoenix and pretty even or slightly favored vs. red but not good against ww.
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Nov 9, 2018 20:44
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Skyl3lazer posted:How does Jeskai Control lose against this field lmao If you went by GoonLogic, you would believe Draw-Go decks have a 100% win-rate.
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Nov 9, 2018 20:46
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Irony Be My Shield posted:It seems hard to build a Jeskai deck that has a good matchup against all of the top decks at once. Maybe someone's found the perfect build but there's a lot of pitfalls you could fall into if you misjudged the meta. There's a huge tension between playing Seal Away to deal with Adanto/Phoenix decks, and how absolutely awful it is vs Golgari which has a ton of explore creatures and planeswalkers to blow them up. I actually think the midrange Jeskai lists playing history of benialia, some counterspells, some removal, and the best threats in the format with Teferi are better than the control decks, especially post board.
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Nov 9, 2018 20:48
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Angry Grimace posted:If you went by GoonLogic, you would believe Draw-Go decks have a 100% win-rate. It does, provided you're playing the control deck that is built specifically against the part of the field the opponents deck falls in. In every match. Even if the field is super wide.
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Nov 9, 2018 20:49
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Angry Grimace posted:If you went by GoonLogic, you would believe Draw-Go decks have a 100% win-rate. Jeskai is not draw-go in this format really. It closes games really fast.
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Nov 9, 2018 20:49
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Irony Be My Shield posted:Pro tour breakdown: Is this the most diverse standard metagame since Shadows? Combine the two Jeskai decks, and also combine Red-White Aggro and Boros Aggro because come the gently caress on, and you've got two archetypes at around 20% and three at around 12% which isn't bad.
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Nov 9, 2018 20:52
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Cynic Jester posted:It does, provided you're playing the control deck that is built specifically against the part of the field the opponents deck falls in. In every match. Even if the field is super wide. Or if you're playing the Ultimate Goon Jack-Off Deck: that boring as gently caress draw-go Ivan Floch played in a Pro Tour 7 years ago because it was so cool how he countered poeple's poo poo and then drew cards like every other draw-go deck that has existed since the antediluvian times (because no no, see, this time he also gained life when he cast his draw cards spell).
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Angry grimace is the reason why counterspell won't be reprinted in a standard set
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Hellsau posted:Is this the most diverse standard metagame since Shadows? Combine the two Jeskai decks, and also combine Red-White Aggro and Boros Aggro because come the gently caress on, and you've got two archetypes at around 20% and three at around 12% which isn't bad. There's also a ton of diversity within the major archetypes. You aren't going to see someone bring the same 75 from the PT to a GP a month later like last season. If you ignore Teferi, the power level of standard is really flat, power wise. There's not a list of the top 5-6 cards like Hazoret, The Scarab God, Rekindling Phoenix and Chandra which are just massively more powerful than anything else you could be doing. It also helps that colors other than red have good cards. Marketing New Brain fucked around with this message at 21:03 on Nov 9, 2018 |
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Nov 9, 2018 20:58
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Hellsau posted:Is this the most diverse standard metagame since Shadows? Combine the two Jeskai decks, and also combine Red-White Aggro and Boros Aggro because come the gently caress on, and you've got two archetypes at around 20% and three at around 12% which isn't bad.
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Nov 9, 2018 21:00
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Marketing New Brain posted:There's also a ton of diversity within the major archetypes. You aren't going to see someone bring the same 75 from the PT to a GP a month later like last season. When RB won the PT, and then the next week someone with the exact same maindeck won the GP, that was the first time that had ever happened. Chainwhirler was real dumb.
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Angry Grimace posted:If you went by GoonLogic, you would believe Draw-Go decks have a 100% win-rate. Jeskai has a problem with mono red and mono blue but go off king
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mandatory lesbian posted:Angry grimace is the reason why counterspell won't be reprinted in a standard set That's fixable.
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Hellsau posted:Is this the most diverse standard metagame since Shadows? Combine the two Jeskai decks, and also combine Red-White Aggro and Boros Aggro because come the gently caress on, and you've got two archetypes at around 20% and three at around 12% which isn't bad. The Jeskai decks shouldn't be combined, they play very different. And if Boros Aggro is what I think it is, it's pretty different from Red-White which should be combined with White Weenie if anything. So it's more diverse than that, even. Before seeing the results, this looks as healthy as any format in Magic history. There are established top decks to target, decks trying to attack them, a moving metagame from week to week, a long tail of potentially viable deck options, and many different builds of each deck. Here's to hoping that UWx control and/or Jundwhirler don't gently caress it up next set.
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Tom Clancy is Dead posted:Here's to hoping that UWx control and/or Jundwhirler don't gently caress it up next set. This is my #1 worry about the next set, specifically UW/x. I'm also interested to see if anyone managed to figure out how to make Legion Warboss good. It's that weird card that comes around every set that people agree is powerful but nobody can use successfully at first.
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Red getting two aggro guilds in the next set to go with Chainwhirler and friends is mildly terrifying, to be honest.
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mandatory lesbian posted:Angry grimace is the reason why counterspell won't be reprinted in a standard set It should be reprinted and then a six month ban for casting it
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Marketing New Brain posted:I'm also interested to see if anyone managed to figure out how to make Legion Warboss good. It's that weird card that comes around every set that people agree is powerful but nobody can use successfully at first. It's fine but not super powerful I think. People overestimated it because of Rabblemaster, but it's much harder to attack with. Both take over on an empty board, but if the red player kills a couple things to clear the way before the opponent drops something they can't remove, Warboss gets shut down while Rabblemaster trades up. I don't think people realized how big a difference that was until they played with it.
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GrandpaPants posted:This was my exact question, but I'm also not sure what the difference is between Boros aggro vs. Boros angels? Angels is basically a midrange deck, not an aggro deck.
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The Shortest Path posted:Red getting two aggro guilds in the next set to go with Chainwhirler and friends is mildly terrifying, to be honest. Midrange is much scarier I think. Chainwhirler plaguewinds + Rekindling Phoenixes + Find it them back or Finality clear the board seems like it would completely dominate most aggro and midrange matchups. Though aggro-midrange curving into Experimental Frenzy + Doom Whisperer also seems incredibly sweet.
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Tom Clancy is Dead posted:Though aggro-midrange curving into Experimental Frenzy + Doom Whisperer also seems incredibly sweet. Yeah if there's one thing a Frenzy deck wants it's 5 drops
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Well, Warboss looked great there when GB couldn't find it's second black source. It does put more tension on how GB needs to side - the answers to Etienne's go big sb plan are pretty poor if R stays on Warboss. I'm not sure if R can reasonably keep them in, though.
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The biggest problem with Warboss is the mana cost and how that relates to Experimental Frenzy. With Chainwhirler single handedly winning a lot of match-ups, the 3 drop slot is filled. Warboss wins many of the same match-ups that Frenzy wins, but to a lesser degree, being a creature. Warboss is way better in Boros, because they both play more 3 drops and can't play Chainwhirler.
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Marketing New Brain posted:I'm also interested to see if anyone managed to figure out how to make Legion Warboss good. It's that weird card that comes around every set that people agree is powerful but nobody can use successfully at first. Like Thief of Sanity, I feel that Warboss is one of those cards that's good if there isn't an answer for it but more often than not it just eats a removal or gets caught in a wipe. Unfortunately, 2 toughness makes for a lot of easy answers to it. I learned that the best time to play Thief isn't on Turn 3, but after, e.g., monored runs out of gas or Golgari uses up their chups and trophies, but that's not really practical for an aggressive creature like Warboss. GrandpaPants fucked around with this message at 21:44 on Nov 9, 2018 |
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Skyl3lazer posted:Yeah if there's one thing a Frenzy deck wants it's 5 drops Frenzy is fine with 5 drops, particularly ones that both increase the chances of finding Frenzy and overall increase the # of spells played by Frenzy per turn. The bigger problem is that it's pretty likely that Doom Whisperer isn't going to be remotely playable.
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GrandpaPants posted:Like Thief of Sanity, I feel that Warboss is one of those cards that's good if there isn't an answer for it but more often than not it just eats a removal or gets caught in a wipe. Unfortunately, 2 toughness makes for a lot of easy answers to it. I learned that the best time to play Thief isn't on Turn 3, but after, e.g., monored runs out of gas or Golgari uses up their chups and trophies, but that's not really practical for an aggressive creature like Warboss. It has exactly the same weaknesses as Rabblemaster. Not surprising it is bad against the same match-ups.
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GrandpaPants posted:Like Thief of Sanity, I feel that Warboss is one of those cards that's good if there isn't an answer for it but more often than not it just eats a removal or gets caught in a wipe. Unfortunately, 2 toughness makes for a lot of easy answers to it. I learned that the best time to play Thief isn't on Turn 3, but after, e.g., monored runs out of gas or Golgari uses up their chups and trophies, but that's not really practical for an aggressive creature like Warboss. It superficially looks like Rabblemaster, except I personally don't think it's nearly as good because it's a lot easier to profitably stall out a Warboss. I mean, Legion Warboss would be nuts also if Stoke the Flames was legal.
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GrandpaPants posted:Like Thief of Sanity, I feel that Warboss is one of those cards that's good if there isn't an answer for it but more often than not it just eats a removal or gets caught in a wipe. Unfortunately, 2 toughness makes for a lot of easy answers to it. I learned that the best time to play Thief isn't on Turn 3, but after, e.g., monored runs out of gas or Golgari uses up their chups and trophies, but that's not really practical for an aggressive creature like Warboss. While it's true and both are weak to shock, Warboss has a lot going for it that thief doesn't, even if it doesn't snowball quite as brutally. It can fairly easily be played T2 off an elf, which when next set comes out is going to be huge for gruul, and it does something the turn it comes into play. A 1/1 haste token isn't a lot, but it's still something.
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Marketing New Brain posted:Doesn't get paired against Golgari and Boros decks enough. It's definitely not favored vs Phoenix decks. Also this standard format has shifted so much I honestly don't know if the current mono red decks beat Jeskai or not. It's not good. People play that life gain + draw card but man is that not a good card. Marketing New Brain posted:This is my #1 worry about the next set, specifically UW/x. It's good in Jet Ski control's sideboard. I've won so many game 2s by just playing it on turn 3 and countering a spell or 2. Then I win game 3 because they have Moment of Craving back in their deck instead of a real card and I have no targets for it except for half of a History of Benalia.
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suicidesteve posted:It's good in Jet Ski control's sideboard. I've won so many game 2s by just playing it on turn 3 and countering a spell or 2. Then I win game 3 because they have Moment of Craving back in their deck instead of a real card and I have no targets for it except for half of a History of Benalia. Yeah it’s an absolute house out of the sb in certain matchups. The token finishing off a Teferi that went -1 to clear the board is my favorite. It might just be missing the critical support it needs but I just feel like in 3-4 months we’ll all be scratching our heads at how we didn’t see it was going to be one of the best rares in the set.
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JGL is an OG mtg player apparently https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3GiSDSuK3Pk
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Irony Be My Shield posted:The R/W one is basically mono-white splashing Heroic Reinforcements, while the Boros one could be the Mentor deck with a lot of gold cards. It is basically a question of whether they go R for 1 drops and take Fanatic + Banneret or W for Healer Hawk, Hunted Witness, or Haazada. They pretty much all run Boros Mentor, Stalwart, Tajic, Aurelia, etc. You can't really split your 1 drops between colors reliably.
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The RW I saw doesn't run any of those cards, It's benalish marshal and history of benalia.
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Can anyone tell me a good reason for seth to attack with two creatures there? cast out? lmao what a punt
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