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Sanguinia
Jan 1, 2012

~Everybody wants to be a cat~
~Because a cat's the only cat~
~Who knows where its at~

I don't blame anyone who fears that literally anything that has the chance to add any number of Republican votes is a ratfuck waiting to happen though.

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avshalemon
Jun 28, 2018

Edward and Kate lived in a country town. It was a cheerful, clean town, with wide streets, and an old church that had large trees round it, and ivy growing up the tower. Their house had a garden behind it, in which they used to play very happily, drive their hoops round the walks, and run and jump about on the grass-plot. They also made many pleasant little excursions into the country round, when their sister Laura was able to go with them.

One of their favourite walks was through the woods belonging to an ancient manor-house, always called "The Old Hall," about a mile from the town. It belonged to a rich nobleman; but nobody had lived in it for a long time. The gardens and park were, however, kept in fine order; and it was said, that some day the house would be put in repair and furnished. As it was now, people could walk by the paths through the woods close up to it.

One of these paths was just outside the wall of the flower garden, and led up to the portico of a sort of summer house or pavilion, partly gone to ruin. The door of this pavilion was always closed; but it was so shady and pleasant all round there, that it was a favourite place for Edward and Kate to play in, while Laura sat under a tree reading; and they would often look up at the beautiful roses, jasmines, and other creepers that hung over the top of the wall, and wish they might go into the garden and see all the lovely flowers they thought must be there.

They longed the more to be admitted within the wall, and see not only the garden, but the Old Hall itself, because a young carpenter, who was at work for their papa, putting up a book-case, had told them a great deal about it. This carpenter, John Wilson, was a great friend of theirs. He made a whole fleet of boats for them, which they sailed in the water-butt, in the garden, and taught them how to saw, and plane, and knock in nails; and while all this was going on, he would describe the painted windows and carved ceilings and walls in the Old Hall; and he knew all its wonders quite well, for he had worked there for several months, repairing some parts of the rooms that were going to destruction; and he said he hoped his lordship would soon have it all thoroughly done, and that he should be employed to do the work.

After all this, Kate and Edward were quite pleased, when, one day, John brought them permission to go and see it, from Mrs. Hollis, the housekeeper, who lived in one of the lodges, and was allowed to shew the place to visitors. If they went to the door of the pavilion in their favourite path, and rang the bell, she would admit them, he said. They thanked John very much for getting such a pleasure for them, and then ran to their mama to ask her leave to go, which she gave them directly; and, as the next day was very fine, they set out after their early dinner, in high spirits, accompanied by Laura. To add to their pleasure, their mama had told them they might order a donkey-chaise in the village, near the Hall gates, to bring them home, because she was sure they would be tired; and this was a thing they enjoyed extremely.

"Since you are going into the village, Master Edward, will you be so kind as to ask at the post-office if there's a letter for me?" said John Wilson, when Edward went to bid him good-bye. "Perhaps you will bring me good luck."

Edward readily promised to ask for the letter, and then whispered to Kate, "It's from his father he wants to hear, I know. He told me he should never be happy till he did. I wish we could bring him one."

But it was of no use to wish. There was no letter for John Wilson. So they ordered the donkey-chaise to be at the pavilion in three hours, and went on to the appointed place, and rang the bell.

Mrs. Hollis did not keep them long waiting; and when she came, she looked at them very kindly, and asked them to walk in. She was a formal little old lady, with a black silk gown on, that rustled as she moved, and wore a very white starched cap and handkerchief.

They liked the inside of the pavilion very much. The floor they trod on was made of squares of black and white marble, and there were seats and a round marble table. A long flight of white polished steps in front of it led down to a broad gravel walk that bounded one end of the flower garden. The garden was curiously laid out, in an old-fashioned style, and the green lawn in the middle looked so smooth and tempting, that they could not resist running down the steps towards it the moment they saw it; and Mrs. Hollis and Laura followed them.

Their feet sank in the thick velvet-like grass as they walked over it. In the middle there was a large round pond, with a fountain which sprung up into the air and then fell again in showers of sparkling drops, that ruffled the surface of the water, and made it glance in the sun as if it were all over diamonds. It was so clear, that, though it was deep, they could see every blade and leaf of the green mossy weeds among the white pebbles at the bottom; and presently they saw skimming through it a shoal of gold and silver fish. Little Kate had a slice of bread in the pocket of her apron, that her mama had given her in case they should feel hungry before they got home; so, as Mrs. Hollis told her the fish would come up to the surface to eat crumbs, she quickly threw some in for them, and up they came, one after another, and swallowed the pieces in their gaping mouths, while their bright scales flashed like fire as they caught the sunlight.

It was some time before the children could leave this delightful pond; but when they did, they saw that at each end there was a smaller one, both of which had their fountains, that sprung up, as if in imitation of the larger one; and that, between the centre pond and each of these, there was a large oval flower bed, and, at all the four corners of the lawn, a round one. These flower beds were bordered with ivy, so carefully pegged down that it formed thick wreaths of dark-green leaves, and made a beautiful setting for the bright flowers within. White lilies, tiger lilies, and tall lupins were in the middle; carnations, white and scarlet geraniums round them, with brilliant blue salvias, mignonette, fuchsias, and many other lovely things.

Besides these beds, there were at regular distances tree roses on the lawn, with round bushy heads, full of splendid flowers of many different shades, sending out the most delicious scent; and the wall which bounded the gravel walk, and which they had so often looked at from the outside, was covered with all manner of creepers, trained roses, honeysuckle, maurandia, jasmine, passion-flowers, and many others.

As soon as they could make up their minds to go out of this bright garden, Mrs. Hollis shewed them that one side of it was formed by a wing of the house, and that large windows opened into it: but these were all shut at present; so she led them by a gateway in the wall to a long straight walk, which led under two tall cedar trees, whose branches met over their heads, to the principal entrance of the mansion. She then, with a large key which hung from her waist, together with several smaller ones, opened the great heavy door, and they all went in.

At first the light seemed so dim that they scarcely saw well around them; for their eyes had been looking at bright flowers, sparkling waters, and green trees and grass basking in the sun; but they soon saw that they were in a lofty square entrance hall, with beautiful painted glass windows, that threw rich colours, blue, red, purple, yellow, and green on the marble floor; and that the stone frames of the windows were carved and ornamented, and the stone walls and roof also; and that iron and steel armour of knights, with lances and helmets, were ranged in niches round the walls; and that long galleries, with many doors into different rooms, and more painted windows went off on each side; and that opposite to them was a wide staircase, all the steps of which were of dark oak, with carved rails, on the top of which were figures of animals reared up on their hind legs, and wreaths of fruit and flowers all carved in dark oak.

Then they went through many large rooms, with walls and ceilings of the same dark oak, beautifully carved in squares and other forms, to represent flowers and fruit, birds, and angels with wings; and these rooms had immense fire-places without grates, meant to burnt logs of wood. Kate and Edward went under the richly ornamented mantel-pieces and looked up the wide chimneys. Then the windows—they liked them better than all; for the walls were so thick that each window seemed to be at the end of a little room of its own; and others were bay windows, and these seemed to be in still larger rooms; and the frames were richly carved; and they looked over the wide park with its green slopes and spreading trees, sweeping the grass with their long branches, and towering up towards the bright blue sky, and casting deep shadows on the sunny grass; and a clear river went winding among them; and all looked so lovely, that every time the children passed one of these windows, it seemed to them that they saw a new picture set in a dark frame.

At last, when they had gone through so many rooms, that they began to keep very close to Laura, lest they should be lost, and had been up the wide staircase and through other rooms above, they heard, with joy, that they were next to go into the park. They followed Mrs. Hollis through a court and an old gateway, and here she bid them good-bye; and, after thanking her with all their hearts for her kindness, they turned round, and lost not a moment, but away they ran over the grass to the banks of the river.

It was delightful to stand in the shade and watch the running water rippling and tinkling over rocky stones that had the brightest green moss on them; and to see the taper points of the weeping willows, that dipped in the stream, and were always waving and trembling as it carried them with it. Sometimes a trout or perch would dart through the deep parts and disappear in an instant. They threw leaves and little sticks in, and watched them sailing away, and wished they had brought some of John's boats with them; then they dipped in their hands to feel the cool refreshing water glide through their fingers. Suddenly their appeared round a point two lovely white swans. On they came, arching their necks and ruffling their wings. Kate took out her bread again, and threw piece after piece to them, till all was gone, while they swam about catching them in their black beaks.

Now Laura called to the children to look at the trees. What great trees they were! Those round the church, which they had thought so large, would only make one arm of these. They crept under the branches of the beeches and limes, and there they were in a green little world,—green leaves above and all round, and green grass under foot, and the flickering sunlight peeping through upon them. Then they crept out again, and clambered up steep knolls, and ran down sloping banks, and every now and then stopped in wonder before some giant tree, with an enormous trunk, that when they took hold of each other's hands, and then Laura's, and all three stretched out their arms to the utmost, they had still not grasped half of. They could not decide which kind of tree was the most beautiful,—the oak, with its rough bark, strong arms, and deep rich green; the beech, with smooth, shining stem and graceful sweeping branches; the tufted elms; or the limes, so light and feathery. Then there were Spanish chesnuts, and horse-chesnuts, and dark firs, and birches with bark as white as silver. It was impossible to know which was most beautiful.

Now they wound round a woody hill, into a beautiful glade, and came upon the whole herd of deer, pretty spotted creatures, some with branching horns, some grazing, some lying in the shade. Quietly as the children tried to get near them, they were startled, and bounded off like lightning, but did not go very far, and continued in sight for some time.

The walk through the park had taken a good while, and the children began to feel tired; so Laura persuaded them to sit down and rest on a pleasant bank, all overgrown with wreaths of periwinkle, with its pretty blue flowers. While they sat, there came past, like a stately lady in a court dress, a splendid peacock, his gorgeous tail sweeping the ground, his crested head erect, and his lovely neck glancing purple, green, and gold. Then came another, and another, and then several pea-hens, not so showy, but very graceful in form. Kate wished she had kept some bread for them; but they seemed to be satisfied with admiration; and one of them spread his tail up like a fan, as if to please them, and displayed all its brilliant eyes, that shone like gold and gems in the sun.

When the peacocks had passed on, Kate began to wish she had kept a little bread for herself and Edward, for the walk had been long, and she felt hungry. Edward declared he was more thirsty than hungry, but consoled himself with the thoughts of the nice drive home in the donkey-chaise. They had made the circuit of the park, and were close to the garden wall, and the gardener's house, which stood at one corner of it; so Laura, who was always kind, went to the door and asked if she could buy a little milk. The gardener's wife said she would sell her some, and also let her buy a few home-baked cakes, and lent her a bowl, and spoon, and plate, and said, if the young lady and gentleman would like to sit down in the pavilion above the garden and take their refreshment there, they might leave all these things on the marble table, and she could easily fetch them away by and bye.

This was a very pleasant idea, and away they went merrily up the gravel walk to enjoy their feast. They took off their straw hats when they reached the shady pavilion, that they might feel the cool air, and poured out their milk; but before tasting it, they went to the door to see if the donkey-chaise had come.

It was not there yet; but, looking round, they saw lying by the path an old man, who seemed to be asleep, and who rested his head on the lap of a young girl sitting by his side. She was leaning her head on her hand, and had not heard the children come to the door; for she seemed filled with sad thoughts, and tears kept dropping through her fingers.

Kate and Edward stood with pitying looks on the steps, when the old man raised his head, but seemed too weary to open his eyes, and said in a feeble voice,

"We must go on, Martha."

"Are you any better, father?" said she wiping her tears away.

"Not much—hunger and sorrow are bad nurses, dear," he replied; "but night will come upon us before we get to any place to sleep in, if we do not move on."

"Poor old man! He is tired and hungry, and has got nothing to eat," whispered little Kate to Edward; and the tears came into her eyes. "I am not at all hungry now: are you?"

"Let us go and bring the milk to them," Edward answered.

They ran to their table; and while Kate took up the bowl of milk, and, carefully holding it in both hands, carried it to the door, Edward brought the plate of cakes, and Laura followed, wondering what they were going to do.

The young girl had already risen from her seat; the old man was sitting up, and looked sadly pale and tired.

"Will you drink this milk?" said Kate, raising her eyes to his face, while Edward held the plate of cakes to him.

"God bless you, little angels," said the old man. "He has sent you to help us in our sore need."

"Oh! thank and bless you, kind young lady and gentleman," cried his daughter.

"Drink some first, Martha, my child," said her father, taking the bowl and holding it towards her. She obeyed him, and seemed to enjoy the draught, as if she had wanted it very much indeed; and then he drank, and it seemed to do him so much good that the children felt quite joyous as they looked at them both.

"Now eat the cakes," said Edward; and as soon as each had taken one he set the plate down, that they might not be hurried, and ran to get the hats, for the donkey-chaise drove up at the moment.

Laura kissed her little brother and sister very affectionately, as she tied their hats for them, and then asked the old man if he and his daughter had far to go?

He said they were still thirty miles from home, and that they had walked all the way from London, where they had gone, hoping to get some money that was owing him, and besides, to meet his son, whose ship was expected; but he had been disappointed in both his hopes, and, what was worse, he feared his poor boy's ship had been wrecked, and he should never see him again.

"Poor sailor boy!" said Kate.

"But do not despair," said Laura. "If you had waited a little longer he might have come."

"I waited too long," he replied; "for our money is all spent,—we have none left, and only trust to selling a few balls and pin-cushions my poor girl has made, to get a lodging to-night and a bit of bread to-morrow."

"And have you no other son?" asked Laura.

"I have another, Lady," said he; "but he's the same as dead to me. He got into wild ways after he had served his apprenticeship, and I was harsh to him, and he left his home, and I have never heard of him since. Many misfortunes fell on me afterwards. Yes, yes, I was too harsh."

The old man looked down gloomily. In a minute, however, he raised his head and said, "But God bless you for your kind hearts; we are so refreshed by this sweet milk and these cakes, that we shall walk on to Summerton quite heartily. It's the nearest town, they tell me."

As he spoke he got up, and bowing respectfully to Laura, and smiling gratefully to the children, who were busy putting all the things belonging to the gardener's wife where she had directed, he began to walk away; but he walked quite feebly, and poor Martha's shoes were worn out, and she limped as she followed him.

Little Kate had just taken her seat in the donkey-chaise.

"How tired they look!" said she, as she saw them going slowly on.

"I will run after them and direct them to our house," said Laura. "I am sure mama will help them to a night's lodging."

"And Laura, dear," said Kate, getting out of the chaise, "if Edward does not mind walking, I don't; so tell them—shall we Edward?—to get in instead of us."

"Yes, yes," said Edward, eagerly.

"That I will, dear children," Laura answered; and stopping the old man and his daughter, she succeeded, after a great deal of persuasion, in making them accept the children's offer, and then helped them in.

Much as they liked a drive in a donkey-chaise, no drive in the world could have made these children so happy as they felt in their walk home. Their hearts full of joy, they bounded along, jumping over tree stumps, running up and down banks, and never thinking of either fatigue, hunger, or thirst.

"Here we come, John," they cried, as they approached their own door, and saw John coming out after his day's work, his basket on his shoulder.

The donkey-chaise had got behind in climbing the hill at the entrance of the town, but it came up at this moment. John's basket fell from his hand, and fell heavily on the door-step, and he rushed towards it, crying,

"Father! father! how is it I see you here?"

"John,—my dear son!" cried the old man; and they grasped each other by both hands, and seemed to search in each other's faces for answers to many questions; and then Martha took hold of her brother's arm, and he remembered her, changed as she was from the merry, rosy girl he had left her.

"Come home with me, father, and my poor Martha," said John; "and please God you shall never know want more. If I had known you were come to poverty, never would I have waited for a letter of pardon before I went home to you."

"It is all along of those dear, blessed children, that fed us when we were hungry and thirsty, and sent us on in their chaise when we were weary, that we have found you now."

John gave his little friends a look of gratitude that said more than many words; and then, all bidding good-night, they separated, the old man and Martha going home with him, and the children running to their mama to tell her all the adventures of this happy day, round their cheerful tea-table. They now understood why John was so anxious for a letter, and why he never received it, because his father had gone to London.

Next evening they went to see him, and found him at supper with his father and sister, who were dressed in nice new clothes, and looked much better and happier. They all welcomed Kate and Edward joyfully, and gave them seats, and John went into his little garden, in which he worked at his spare hours, and picked them a dish of fine ripe strawberries, which they enjoyed very much.

A week afterwards, John went to his father's village to sell off his furniture, and give up his cottage, for they had resolved to live all together in Summerton. Kate and Edward went to his house the evening he was expected home, and stood at the door watching for him, while Martha got tea ready, and her father swept up the hearth.

"Here he comes!" cried Edward, who saw him first.

"And there's a sailor-boy with him," cried Kate.

Now there was a joyful meeting. John had found his brother on the road to his father's village. His ship had come into port two days before.

The old man used to say afterwards, when he looked back to this time, that everything went well with him from the moment he saw the faces of those dear children; and they always remembered the day when they visited the Old Hall, as one of the happiest of their lives.

As for the fine Old Hall, John's hope was fulfilled about it. His lordship had it repaired and furnished and came to live there, and made John his head carpenter there; so that he never wanted work, and in time took his brother into partnership, and the two sons made their father and sister happy and comfortable all their days.

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IUG
Jul 14, 2007



Yeah, but they also cut off anti-fa groups too, so it's kindof a wash.

Flip Yr Wig
Feb 21, 2007

Oh please do go on
Fun Shoe
Basically anything that can be spun as Democrats ratfucking the electorate is literally expanding the electorate.

Edit:
Avshalom coming in outta left field!

Trazz
Jun 11, 2008

IUG posted:

Yeah, but they also cut off anti-fa groups too, so it's kindof a wash.

drat, I guess Soros will just have to start sending checks in the mail, how else are they going to afford their assault tambourines

Mr Interweb
Aug 25, 2004

Z. Autobahn posted:

I mean... objectively speaking... allowing rural and urban regions to correctly have their ballots counted is the right thing to do, right?

I'm totally cool with fighting dirty at this point. gently caress these people.

Guze
Oct 10, 2007

Regular Human Bartender

Cohen was doing a bunch o' crimes

https://twitter.com/eliehonig/status/1061022459095326721

zetamind2000
Nov 6, 2007

I'm an alien.


Please run for office

MSDOS KAPITAL
Jun 25, 2018





Mr Interweb posted:

I'm totally cool with fighting dirty at this point. gently caress these people.
At the very least, worrying about a unified message or consistency or whatever is a lost cause. Republicans don't care.

I don't exactly like that I'm at the stage where I feel hypocrisy from my side is fine so long as it serves the correct ends, but, well here we are regardless.

TulliusCicero
Jul 29, 2017



eke out posted:

it's also completely counter-intuitive because we're fighting bullshit signature-matching laws in other states right now. "every vote should count" is a good uniform message to have in the multiple ongoing recounts

also, if people actually read that extremely brief article: the suit was filed by republicans to try to get urban counties to stop allowing people to fix their ballots, because apparently rural ones weren't doing it. the settlement is "We'll just let everyone do this" which is... totally fine and not only is ideologically consistent but benefits democrats as well.

It really does sound like the GOP tried to play victim to get the whole thing shut down, democrats surprised by going "yeah no letting everybody fix their ballot sounds good" :), the judge said sounds good to me, and the GOP lawyer left standing there like Daffy duck after being tricked by Bugs.

mutata
Mar 1, 2003

UT-4 is apparently as purple as you can possibly get now. It's probably gonna take alllll the way until provisionals and election day mail-ins are counted before they call it at this rate.

mutata fucked around with this message at 00:05 on Nov 10, 2018

Caros
May 14, 2008

Z. Autobahn posted:

Love that we've gone so far down the rabbit hole that "Let's accurately count the votes to determine who won" is now apparently :decorum:

It kind of is though.

Republicans have spent the last decade disenfranchising democratic voters through scuzzy and often outright illegal means. They are not going to play fair in any meaningful way.

They go low, we go high by not fighting in a situation like this could give them a senate seat, which could lead to another stolen court seat or who knows what down the lines.

It's be great if we lived in a world where they played fair and we could to, but until that happens I'd rather that dog not keep dunking on us while we wring our hands about how it isn't allowed to play basketball.

Arturo Ui
Apr 14, 2005

Forums Bosch Expert

mutata posted:

UT-4 is apparently as purple as you can possibly get now. It's probably gonna take alllll the way until provisionals and election day mail-ins are counted before they call it at this rate.

Gonna be awkward between Mia-showed-me-no-Love and Trump if she ends up winning

Z. Autobahn
Jul 20, 2004

colonel tigh more like colonel high
Just so I'm understanding right, the position now is pro-voter-disenfranchisement so long as it's THEIR voters?

FlapYoJacks
Feb 12, 2009
Guys, I think Acosta assaulted the intern. Video proof:

https://twitter.com/jtstorm62/status/1060966400737599489

eke out
Feb 24, 2013



Caros posted:

It kind of is though.

Republicans have spent the last decade disenfranchising democratic voters through scuzzy and often outright illegal means. They are not going to play fair in any meaningful way.

They go low, we go high by not fighting in a situation like this could give them a senate seat, which could lead to another stolen court seat or who knows what down the lines.

It's be great if we lived in a world where they played fair and we could to, but until that happens I'd rather that dog not keep dunking on us while we wring our hands about how it isn't allowed to play basketball.

i think this is a terrible argument on principle but it's an even more terrible argument because y'all seem to be ignoring the actual facts of this situation, which are not at all consistent with your idea that they just decided to give republicans a win because it's important to play fair

Mokelumne Trekka
Nov 22, 2015

Soon.

Z. Autobahn posted:

Love that we've gone so far down the rabbit hole that "Let's accurately count the votes to determine who won" is now apparently :decorum:

Slow News Day
Jul 4, 2007

Z. Autobahn posted:

Just so I'm understanding right, the position now is pro-voter-disenfranchisement so long as it's THEIR voters?

They do it to Dems, Dems would be loving stupid not to return the favor.

Punk da Bundo
Dec 29, 2006

by FactsAreUseless
The Democrats are so spineless they won't even fight for the votes they earned, and will let the republicans ran rampant and constantly rig every election. lol, that's how we got president bush.

Argas
Jan 13, 2008
SRW Fanatic




Here's a helpful video for why decorum is weak: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAbab8aP4_A

It's important to have faith in the process to produce the desired ends but Dems have so much faith in the process that they just assume the process will ensure a Just ends.

Kale
May 14, 2010

Willo567 posted:

Trump can't just call for a new election for the house now, right?

I feel the answer should be no, but knowing this hell world, I fear it will be he can

You possibly might have noticed this but your president just kind of says poo poo much like people on twitter often do. Doesn't mean it has any relevance to anything. He has no real idea how the levers of government and policy making work. Kelly and Miller are basically there to tell him that as is the White House counsel which he routinely ignores. Notice how he doesn't actually do anything productive ever....yeah....

VitalSigns
Sep 3, 2011

Democrats got everything they wanted from that ruling and y'all are melting down because they didn't try "don't count their votes just ours, your honor" on a judge jfc

E: how am I the one defending something the Democrats did itt

STAC Goat
Mar 12, 2008

Watching you sleep.

Butt first, let's
check the feeds.

Peter Daou Bundy posted:

The Democrats are so spineless they won't even fight for the votes they earned, and will let the republicans ran rampant and constantly rig every election. lol, that's how we got president bush.

The story is literally the Democrats fighting for the votes they earned?

Grapplejack
Nov 27, 2007

https://twitter.com/dick_nixon/status/1061018315768954880

Lightning Knight
Feb 24, 2012

Pray for Answer

This is the exact opposite of what is being described there though?

Mr Interweb
Aug 25, 2004

Z. Autobahn posted:

Just so I'm understanding right, the position now is pro-voter-disenfranchisement so long as it's THEIR voters?

...yes? :confused:

Ague Proof
Jun 5, 2014

they told me
I was everything
Jim Crow.

https://twitter.com/TrumpsAlert/status/1060937585042702336

Punk da Bundo
Dec 29, 2006

by FactsAreUseless

Lightning Knight posted:

This is the exact opposite of what is being described there though?

we will see if they roll over in florida and arizona. can't trust them after they've done it consistently for 18 years.

Pleads
Jun 9, 2005

pew pew pew


STAC Goat posted:

The story is literally the Democrats fighting for the votes they earned?

The Democrats appear to have Duck Season/Rabbit Season'd the GOP but nobody caught the joke.

Niwrad
Jul 1, 2008


And will end up getting a slap on the wrist like most of them.

Goatse James Bond
Mar 28, 2010

If you see me posting please remind me that I have Charlie Work in the reports forum to do instead

Peter Daou Bundy posted:

we will see if they roll over in florida and arizona. can't trust them after they've done it consistently for 18 years.

if they're fighting in arizona, then why do i keep insisting they're not?

Niwrad posted:

And will end up getting a slap on the wrist like most of them.

because he's cooperating

Lightning Knight
Feb 24, 2012

Pray for Answer

Peter Daou Bundy posted:

we will see if they roll over in florida and arizona. can't trust them after they've done it consistently for 18 years.

I mean, I suppose, but they seem to actually have a decent track record of contesting state level recounts and stuff like this legally. I don’t think it’s comparable to Bush v. Gore at any rate.

The Glumslinger
Sep 24, 2008

Coach Nagy, you want me to throw to WHAT side of the field?


Hair Elf

Niwrad posted:

And will end up getting a slap on the wrist like most of them.

Yeah, considering he plead guilty to a subset and is cooperating

https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/1061035732503052288
I'm seeing more and more why Trump likes this guy

Mr Interweb
Aug 25, 2004

VitalSigns posted:

Democrats got everything they wanted from that ruling and y'all are melting down because they didn't try "don't count their votes just ours, your honor" on a judge jfc

E: how am I the one defending something the Democrats did itt

If this is the case, then cool.

Niwrad
Jul 1, 2008

So if Sinema wins, does that mean the Republicans only gained one seat in a map that was brutal for Democrats? I know there was a bunch of people upset on Tuesday but it looks like the Democrats have a really good shot at taking the Senate in 2020 if they can keep up the passion.

STAC Goat
Mar 12, 2008

Watching you sleep.

Butt first, let's
check the feeds.

Peter Daou Bundy posted:

we will see if they roll over in florida and arizona. can't trust them after they've done it consistently for 18 years.

Literally we're talking about this because they're fighting for fair counts in Arizona and Florida.

Like... pick your shots, man.

Canned Sunshine
Nov 20, 2005

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Also, regarding the AZ votes, it’s mostly related to curing the ballots, which is where if the signature doesn’t match, they try to contact the voter to come in and confirm it. Out of all of the ballots cast and remaining to be counted in Maricopa County, it sounds as if it only affects about 5,600 ballots here.

What it does sound like might have been happening, was that the applicable GOP parties in AZ that were suing, seemed to be trying to possibly use it as a segue to simply getting a lot of the mail-in ballots frozen, but it really seems like a last minute Hail Mary given it affects so few ballots.

Ironically, while Maricopa County was going to allow curing to go until Nov. 14th, Pima County was going to stop tomorrow, which has Tucson/etc., and is breaking for Sinema 55-43. So now Pima gets until Nov. 14th too.

Also, not all of the county GOP parties joined in the lawsuit, because some probably still realize it’s bullshit.

Bugsy
Jul 15, 2004

I'm thumpin'. That's
why they call me
'Thumper'.


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ratbert90 posted:

Guys, I think Acosta assaulted the intern. Video proof:

https://twitter.com/jtstorm62/status/1060966400737599489

:laffo: at the finger trap.

Slow News Day
Jul 4, 2007

Niwrad posted:

So if Sinema wins, does that mean the Republicans only gained one seat in a map that was brutal for Democrats? I know there was a bunch of people upset on Tuesday but it looks like the Democrats have a really good shot at taking the Senate in 2020 if they can keep up the passion.

two seats

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Mokelumne Trekka
Nov 22, 2015

Soon.

So I gather it is too much to hope we'll know AZ Senate winner tonight or even the weekend

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