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The country will collapse before we get any major electoral changes lol
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Like basically the 4-step process each state needs: 1) institute approval voting 2) have a primary system that isn't dependent on political parties (in Califonia's case we already have that with the jungle primary, but once approval voting is instituted we should expand the number of candidates allowed to go onto the general election to like 5 or something, what use is approval voting if you only have 2 candidates) 3) institute independent redistricting commissions (California already has one so this step is already done for us) 4) switch from winner takes all electors to the Nebraska/Maine system (after the previous steps are done, or else gerrymandering will be exacerbated, and honestly the electoral college doesn't really work when there's only 2 viable candidates)
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Nov 9, 2018 22:26
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Pomp posted:The country will collapse before we get any major electoral changes lol
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Nov 9, 2018 22:43
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Pomp posted:The country will collapse before we get any major electoral changes lol Ah good, now we've absolved ourselves of even trying because it's all going to fail anyway, so why bother. Join DSA and talk with people. Support them monetarily if you can. Support them in person if you can. Support them via the internet and phone/text banking if you can.
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Nov 9, 2018 22:50
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Nov 9, 2018 22:53
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The Ayshkerbundy posted:I'd say Approval Voting is a better option, though IRV is a better option than what we have now
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Nov 9, 2018 22:55
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Man, looking at California news right now, I have to wonder how SLO County has managed to escape the hellfire this year. (And if we do get a bad fire, I hope it takes out all the eucalyptus trees in Montaña de Oro State Park so we can replace them with native plants.)
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Nov 9, 2018 23:04
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CPColin posted:Man, looking at California news right now, I have to wonder how SLO County has managed to escape the hellfire this year. (And if we do get a bad fire, I hope it takes out all the eucalyptus trees in Montaña de Oro State Park so we can replace them with native plants.) Eucalyptus trees are full of oil, and have a reputation of exploding during fires.
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Nov 9, 2018 23:16
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I know. They also kill every native plant that tries to grow underneath them. The locals are also attached to the grove noted bonehead Alexander Hazard planted in an ill-advised attempt to grow stock for lumber, preventing their removal, so if a fire can just rip through and take them all out, I'm for it.
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Nov 9, 2018 23:24
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Pomp posted:Having any time at all for that poo poo is a significant privilege on its own Hey I spotted the person who definitely has not been involved in local politics but is going to whine to you about them.
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Nov 9, 2018 23:24
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bawfuls posted:can you give me a TL;DR on why approval voting is better than IR? 1) Easier to implement (just take the preexisting ballot structure and change "vote one" to "vote one or more") and easier to count results (no need for some complicated algorithm) 2) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JtKAScORevQ
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Nov 10, 2018 00:23
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Thanks, I ended up reading through that link anyway and I'm convinced. It is a bit counterintuitive at first that getting a less detailed snapshot from each voter ends up being better, but it makes sense in the end. The ease of implementation and of actually explaining it to people also seem important when we're talking about what to actually USE not just what's theoretically best.
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Nov 10, 2018 00:30
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bawfuls posted:can you give me a TL;DR on why approval voting is better than IR? Also a lot fewer excuses to disqualify a submitted ballot, since if you use binary marks like California does for everything except (understandably) propositions and court seat referenda, every possible set of marks you could make (even stray marks) produces a valid ballot.
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Nov 10, 2018 00:32
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Yeah it appears to be more foolproof in several ways. The simplicity is a strong feature that was not immediately apparent to me.
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Nov 10, 2018 00:38
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Cup Runneth Over posted:Agreed, there's no reason to keep building in already overcrowded cities. Cup Runneth Over posted:I'm not talking about more suburbs and didn't say anything about overcrowding. Bolding mine. Cup Runneth Over posted:You can build high density housing inland without displacing anyone. In fact the cities there would probably froth at the mouth for the chance at some real investment. Yes we also need to improve our public transit, but this is a way we can build a ton more housing without ruining people's lives and I think long commutes are inherently sorta worth that? How is making existing cities more dense ruining people's lives?
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Nov 10, 2018 00:40
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DeadlyMuffin posted:How is making existing cities more dense ruining people's lives? Long commutes are incredibly bad and a terrible idea.
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Nov 10, 2018 00:42
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Oh no, the candidate who got the most first- or second-place votes got elected because I voted honestly!
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Nov 10, 2018 00:51
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CPColin posted:Oh no, the candidate who got the most first- or second-place votes got elected because I voted honestly!
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Nov 10, 2018 01:06
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Jaxyon posted:Long commutes are incredibly bad and a terrible idea. Literally everyone I know who commutes 1 hour+ has either a terrible marriage or is divorced.
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Nov 10, 2018 01:09
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Megaman's Jockstrap posted:Literally everyone I know who commutes 1 hour+ has either a terrible marriage or is divorced. Spending 2 hours + a day doing absolutely nothing because ~density~ a good trade.
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Nov 10, 2018 01:11
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https://twitter.com/mgafni/status/1061028514063765504 lol
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Nov 10, 2018 01:11
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How many lives has PG&E taken so far this year? More than last year? Their body count is substantial.
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Nov 10, 2018 01:18
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Jaxyon posted:Spending 2 hours + a day doing absolutely nothing because ~density~ a good trade. Yeah the guy has his own little slice of heaven - a tract house in the suburbs that he never spends any time in because he's commuting.
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Nov 10, 2018 01:19
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Jaxyon posted:Hey I spotted the person who definitely has not been involved in local politics but is going to whine to you about them. im gonna whip out my voter registration cards and m4a signature sheets binch
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Nov 10, 2018 01:27
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bawfuls posted:The point is that provides incentive for voting dishonestly, which doesn't exist to such a degree in approval voting systems. Meh. Two-thirds of the voters still got their first or second choice. I also think the scenario presented in the video is a little silly. When the middle candidate is eliminated first, the vote is split between the remaining candidates, pushing the left one past 50%. When the "Ideal" candidate is eliminated first, however, all their votes go to the middle candidate? That seems a little contrived. Anyway, more concerned about the ability to indicate that, say, I preferred a more progressive candidate and settled for a more moderate candidate, as opposed to being concerned about the weirdos in last place getting all tactical.
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Nov 10, 2018 01:34
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Cup Runneth Over posted:Agreed, there's no reason to keep building in already overcrowded cities. Jaxyon posted:Spending 2 hours + a day doing absolutely nothing because ~density~ a good trade. edit: I misread, we're on the same side 
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Nov 10, 2018 01:51
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Nationalize (Stationalize?) PG&E
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Nov 10, 2018 02:05
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Trabisnikof posted:We need Bay City. We need to unify our metros. I noticed the lunatic on 580 updated his billboards. Got himself a sweet electric one that can switch between two essentially incomprehensible messages now! Very efficient.
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Nov 10, 2018 02:17
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CPColin posted:Meh. Two-thirds of the voters still got their first or second choice. maybe Score Voting is more your speed
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Nov 10, 2018 02:27
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acksplode posted:San Francisco looks like Omaha compared to other world cities, and they're often prettier and more livable. It is so, so far from being overcrowded. We should cram as many people as we can into the bay for the environmental benefits alone -- those are people who won't need climate control year-round. If only we could build over three stories... Nah, it would ruin the feel of my neighborhood, which was already changing when my pot smoking deadbeat poet rear end moved here forty years ago as the Italian Americans were moving out. That doesn’t count, of course. ProperGanderPusher fucked around with this message at 03:14 on Nov 10, 2018 |
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Nov 10, 2018 03:00
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https://twitter.com/ddayen/status/1061077753942798336 so did denham get turfed after all once mail-in ballots were counted?
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Nov 10, 2018 03:58
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Jaxyon posted:How many lives has PG&E taken so far this year? More than last year? Their body count is substantial. listen they can do proper maintenance and not kill people or they can have good stock returns but they can't do both it's like you don't even care about my dividends
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Nov 10, 2018 04:20
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ProperGanderPusher posted:If only we could build over three stories... Look, the Mission is, and will always be Irish. Any sort of change is bad.
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Nov 10, 2018 04:32
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FCKGW posted:That guy also did a video on KILLDOZER That's an unlisted one for people that donated to his Patreon. Please don't take donoteat's money. He needs that to fund future school trips to Cambodia.
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Nov 10, 2018 07:06
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hosed up to see the people walking around with no masks on the air index here is gonna be like 210 whicu is very hazardous. Tons of homeless with no masks, really hosed up.
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Nov 10, 2018 07:41
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LeoMarr posted:hosed up to see the people walking around with no masks on the air index here is gonna be like 210 whicu is very hazardous. Tons of homeless with no masks, really hosed up. AQI is nearly 300 where I am and I'm feeling pretty drat stupid for not owning a proper mask already. We've got a sizable homeless population and I don't know what they're going to do. It isn't safe to be outside right now.
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Nov 10, 2018 07:57
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Well, they're going to die. Duh. ne: Probably painfully.
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Nov 10, 2018 07:59
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LeoMarr posted:hosed up to see the people walking around with no masks on the air index here is gonna be like 210 whicu is very hazardous. Tons of homeless with no masks, really hosed up. the air quality here in Oakland has been in the 200-350 range since noon most people don't have masks
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Nov 10, 2018 07:59
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Tacier posted:AQI is nearly 300 where I am and I'm feeling pretty drat stupid for not owning a proper mask already 
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Holy poo poo a firenado is a thing https://twitter.com/stormchaserukeu/status/1060933395046375424?s=21
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