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treasured8elief
Jul 25, 2011

Salad Prong

Groovelord Neato posted:

i really don't feel for that guy. if you won't accept it's guns after your daughter is murdered you're loving braindead.

there's a brother of one of the sandy hook kids who's anti-gun control and has met with trump and it just comes off as ghoulish to me.

these people are actively working to make sure more people suffer the same tragedy they did.

melt all guns

Wall Street Journal posted:

Democrats say they will pass the most aggressive gun-control legislation in decades when they become the House majority in January, plans they renewed this week in the aftermath of a mass killing in a California bar.

Their efforts will be spurred by an incoming class of pro-gun-control lawmakers who scored big in Tuesday’s midterm elections, although any measure would likely meet stiff resistance in the GOP-controlled Senate.

Democrats ousted at least 15 House Republicans with “A” National Rifle Association ratings, while the candidates elected to replace them all scored an “F” NRA rating.

“This new majority is not going to be afraid of our shadow,” said Mike Thompson, a California Democrat who is chairman of the House Gun Violence Prevention Task Force. “We know that we’ve been elected to do a job, and we’re going to do it.”

Susan Orfanos, whose son was killed Thursday after surviving the Las Vegas massacre last year, said in a television interview that she doesn’t “want prayers. I don’t want thoughts. I want gun control, and I hope to God nobody sends me anymore prayers.”

The 2018 elections marked the first time gun-control advocates outspent the NRA. The gun-rights advocacy group spent about $20 million in the 2018 election cycle—much of it on advertising backing the confirmation of Supreme Court Justices Neil Gorsuch and Brett Kavanaugh.

Everytown for Gun Safety, the gun-control organization backed by former New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg, and a group founded by former Democratic Rep. Gabrielle Giffords, who was critically wounded in a 2011 shooting, spent a combined $37 million in 2018.

About 61% of voters participating in the 2018 midterm elections said America’s gun laws should be stricter, according to AP VoteCast.

“The biggest Second Amendment implication of the election is that the pro-Second Amendment majority in the U.S. Senate will continue to confirm pro-Second Amendment judges to the lower courts all the way to the Supreme Court,” NRA spokeswoman Jennifer Baker said.

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Main Paineframe
Oct 27, 2010

Does it quote any other Democrats saying that, or is "Democrats say" short for "one Democrat says"? I don't trust the WSJ at all

eke out
Feb 24, 2013



Dapper_Swindler posted:

agreed. i just meant my feelings specifically toward him.

oh yeah, I was responding to that guy and all the very dumb replies, not trying to criticize you

Mr Ice Cream Glove
Apr 22, 2007

Oh god please

https://mobile.twitter.com/gwlauren/status/1061405164274417664

https://mobile.twitter.com/bluestein/status/1061391452729737217

Precambrian Video Games
Aug 19, 2002



withak posted:

Imagine how the families of the people killed by that last shot must feel, knowing that their fathers/brothers/sons died hours after their leaders decided that the war was over but seconds before the paperwork wended its way through the proper channels.

It's okay, many of them probably died of Spanish influenza later anyways. Speaking of which, there hasn't been a killer bird flu/Ebola/random epidemic scare in a while.

Smeef
Aug 15, 2003

I posted my food for USPOL Thanksgiving!



Pillbug

Your Parents posted:

im pretty sure the restaurant is a massive front for something because no restaurant would be able to survive the losses cheesecake factory seems to operate with as a baseline

They’re like the only game in town across the US. In a lot of crappy suburban satellite cities they’re the only bar, and sad middle-aged alcoholics get absolutely tanked at them.

Mahoning
Feb 3, 2007

drat. I mean trying to get into a recount deficit is one thing but a runoff election would be HUGE.

evilweasel
Aug 24, 2002

Ague Proof posted:

Shouldn't they want it to be about bad ballot design causing voters to miss the box? The undervote is clearly abnormal.

"Well, it sucks that you appear to have lost because of a technicality but it's not our fault, we don't redo elections in America. Better luck next time."

he wants to set up a false equivalence between democrats complaining about a hosed up ballot robbing them of a race (again) and his completely bullshit claims of fraud

duodenum
Sep 18, 2005

Groovelord Neato posted:

brings to mind the chapo episode on the abhorrent florida retirement community "the villages" where matt talks about how the residents would see corpses stacked like cordwood as long as they could live in an open air mall fulls of tgi fridays.

Reminds me of this, the GOP endgame:

HPanda
Sep 5, 2008

duodenum posted:

Reminds me of this, the GOP endgame:



Nah. Too many towers, not enough squalor. The ratio is too far off.

Stickman
Feb 1, 2004

Groovelord Neato posted:

if another country had elections like we do we'd be agitating for intervention.

Only if they elected socialists communists!

Mr Interweb
Aug 25, 2004

Fallom posted:

"love to bathe in fire retardant chemicals while standing inside my on fire neighborhood" -some loving twitter moron

Yeah seriously. I mean, sure cool video and all but that's pretty stupid regardless.

Zwabu
Aug 7, 2006

GoluboiOgon posted:

the framing of "In medicine, too, we are trying to deliver a range of services to millions of people at a reasonable cost and with a consistent level of quality. Unlike the Cheesecake Factory, we haven’t figured out how" is absurd. every other developed country has figured out ways to do healthcare with better coverage for half of the cost minimum. reasonably priced universal healthcare is a solved problem, but the people who profit from our wasteful system have enough clout to make copying any other country's system politically impossible.

What you are talking about is not what Gawande, the author, is on about. The whole focus of a lot of his writings on medicine have to do with methods of standardizing quality in medicine. Some of it is about the economics too but more of it is about the quality issue.

The thrust of his writing is that medicine is a discipline that stands somewhere between artisan craftsmanship and assembly line factory methods such as are employed in auto industry, electronics etc. The older school traditional mentality in Western doctors is that they are artisans with their own individual methods and quirks and each knows best what works for them and that they should be able to achieve similar results via different methods.

But when you actually look rigorously at results with objective methods, comprehensive surveillance etc. you see HUGE variations in important quality results like wound infections, hospital acquired infections, mortality, rates of surgical failure etc.

When you are dealing with events that have relatively low incidence, significant variation between hospitals or doctors might not be noticed unless you are looking really hard for it. Like if one doctor has a mortality rate of 6 percent of his heart surgeries and another one has a rate of 2 percent.

Anyway Gawande is very much in the camp that doctors need to abandon the skilled artisan mentality and transition into the Ford assembly plant era of standardization of practice, and that's the lens with which he's looking at Cheesecake Factory. They are doing something fairly complex, preparing meals from scratch on site, but doing it with a highly consistent quality and result, similar to, say, McDonald's although McDonald's process is probably less complex because of the nature of the menu. Forget about the fact that Cheesecake Factory is the bougie McMansion of restaurant chains that a lot of D&D posters would probably find offensive or gauche, he's really mainly on about how consistently they can produce good meals.

An example, he did an essay years ago about Caesarean section. Obstetricians who trained in earlier eras did a lot of challenging deliveries with the use of forceps. The problem is, to be good with forceps is a difficult skill to acquire that requires many many cases to get really good at, and there will be a wide variation in skill among doctors using forceps with really variable results.

By contrast, C-section is a surgery that even surgeons with very mediocre skill can do efficiently and safely with very consistent results and low complication, and everyone training in OB does a lot of them and gets proficient. So the whole specialty has moved in the direction where dodgy delivery situations will tend to default to C-section where many of them would have been done with forceps in the past. Some of the OBs trained in earlier eras who are very skilled with forceps could have gotten the same results with forceps without surgery, but overall the risk of serious complications and consistency of results between doctors (moving in the positive not negative direction in terms of brain damaged or dead baby outcomes) has improved through standardization of approach.

He's done a ton of essays over the years on this basic theme looking at everything from OB, cystic fibrosis care, hernia surgery etc.

freckle
Apr 6, 2016

by Nyc_Tattoo

HPanda posted:

Nah. Too many towers, not enough squalor. The ratio is too far off.

yeah that nice little village actually looks cool instead of terrible

freckle
Apr 6, 2016

by Nyc_Tattoo
more ffvii less skyrim IMO

Mr Interweb
Aug 25, 2004

SourKraut posted:

Sinema’s up over 28k!

Jebus. I don't want to celebrate too early...but with a lead like that, McSally's pretty much done for, right?

freckle
Apr 6, 2016

by Nyc_Tattoo

freckle posted:

more ffvii less skyrim IMO

these also happen to be the only videogames i have ever played, don't @ me

small butter
Oct 8, 2011

duodenum posted:

Reminds me of this, the GOP endgame:



What game is this?

TrekBek
Mar 27, 2013

slug life
I think the most horrific thing I've ever learned from this thread is Cheesecake Factory making everything fresh. That's objectively terrifying.

evilweasel
Aug 24, 2002

Mr Interweb posted:

Jebus. I don't want to celebrate too early...but with a lead like that, McSally's pretty much done for, right?

It would take something extremely surprising for her to win now, especially since she's been steadily falling behind and that would, you know, need to stop.

happyhippy
Feb 21, 2005

Playing games, watching movies, owning goons. 'sup
Pillbug

booseek posted:

What game is this?

Trickle Down Economics.

Mr Ice Cream Glove
Apr 22, 2007

I wonder how The Donald is holding up


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Proudest moment of my life was when I joined the Army. I still remember standing in that big reception room at Fort Knox taking the oath to "support and defend the Constitution, against all enemies, foreign and domestic." I never, in my life, thought that would one day include the Democratic Party.
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Im done. Im sick of democrats and their poo poo. Just stocking up on ammo and waiting now

Make sure you have food and water, also it's not a bad idea to at least talk with your neighbors to get a feeling of where they would stand if poo poo really hit the fan.
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In the past two years I've had many of those thoughts, and they have accelerated in the past few months as things come to light.
Everybody has a point at which they'll yell "Uncle!" If us normal, peaceful, private people eventually get really pissed, I don't know what would happen.

I can't physically resist much anymore (old) and Cuomo has effectively disarmed me with the "SAFE (cough) Act" almost six years ago. I had two SKSs and a FN-FAL .308 I built from spare parts (and plenty of ammo for both) but the Dictator from Albany ordered: "Register them or sell them."

If I was younger I would have said "gently caress you Cuomo." But being an old coot I sold them to a buddy of mine who has an FFL. I'm guessing he sold them out of state, which, if memory serves, would have been the only way for him to legally sell them after the "SAFE (cough) Act" went into effect.

At any rate, at some point normal people who just want to be left alone will resist. In America, I have no idea what that would look like -- even having been a teenager during the tumultuous '60s.

It could be brutal and those on the receiving end (the left) will be well deserved. Given enough time, everything reverts to the mean. I've watched these assholes operate for a half a century, and their day of reckoning is coming.
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If Trump let's this slide and doesn't introduce some sort of Voter ID laws then I will be extremely disappointed. This may define his reelection
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I watched a documentary on True Tv that says that the illegal drug trade business employs more people than IBM.
And I'm 100 percent certain that the Mexican Cartels have more than a handful of politicians on there payroll.
Also, it pains me to say this as an African American, but a majority of these rappers hating on Trump are probably in some way tied to the Mexican Drug Cartel and they are advocating for the people in their 'hood' because they make way more money 'hustling' than working a 9 to 5.
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They put a bullet into Seth Rich and let Americans die in Benghazi. Why does this surprise anyone? Like doctoring some paperwork is some sort of moral line that Dems won't cross? Get the gently caress outta here. The would literally walk into your house, poo poo on your carpet and then demand that you provide them toilet paper.
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We need 10,000 armed patriots to go there and demand to get this recount out of the hands of this loving criminal oval office Snipes and her counterpart in palm beach.
Then we need the feds to take over this recount and toss OUT THE loving BALLOTS of non citizens that Nelson and Gillum count. This is ILLEGAL.
This is like watching a loving third world country vote.
We need to do something or we are truly hosed - I don’t care what your politics are or where you live.
If they get away with this poo poo here, it’s a green light to do the same everywhere.
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Dad, please come home and deport them!! Jfc why can't Dems just be normal?!?! 🤷🏼‍♀️
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You think we're winning?
You have watched a 50k lead shrink to under 0.5% due to 'found' ballots, but we're still winning, right?

It's still shrinking, now under 0.25%, but still winning because now they 'certified' it. All will be good in the end, right?

All your attention is now focused on Florida, where an obviously flawed election is taking place that will eventually not be certified, but it's very close so the drama compels you to follow it.

Then it goes under even, but we have better lawyers.

All our capable lawyers are now deployed in Florida, gearing up for a fight reminiscent of the 2000 elections.

So we win Florida.
Meanwhile, we lose Arizona, Michigan, and all other shady races.
Also meanwhile, everybody else is paying attention to the California wildfires.

I don't call that a win.

evilweasel
Aug 24, 2002

Mr Ice Cream Glove posted:

I wonder how The Donald is holding up

there's a new york angry gun nut on these forums who sounds exactly like this guy

vorebane
Feb 2, 2009

"I like Ur and Kavodel and Enki being nice to people for some reason."

Wrong Voter amongst wrong voters

HPanda posted:

Nah. Too many towers, not enough squalor. The ratio is too far off.

I'm pretty sure the megacity should be spewing something obviously toxic too.

duodenum
Sep 18, 2005

booseek posted:

What game is this?

https://www.deviantart.com/radoxist/art/Worth-enough-73247873

Deptfordx
Dec 23, 2013

withak posted:

Imagine how the families of the people killed by that last shot must feel, knowing that their fathers/brothers/sons died hours after their leaders decided that the war was over but seconds before the paperwork wended its way through the proper channels.

I saw a program a few years back about the closing hours of the war, with vignettes about the soldiers killed right at the last minute.

Some commanders insisted that 'Aggresive attacks be pressed home', remember this is right at the end of the 100 days offensive and it's become a mobile war again, even knowing that an Armistice was almost inevitable and the orders confiriming that fact could be received at any moment. Watching this I've rarely felt angrier than I did at this literal waste of life.

Tibalt
May 14, 2017

What, drawn, and talk of peace! I hate the word, As I hate hell, all Montagues, and thee

Operating medicine in the US the same way that they operate in the UK or Canada would require a massive change in how American healthcare operates.

That's not a reason to do it - the US system is terrible. But acting like it would be a small or easy change is ignorant. Your day to day interaction with medicine will need to fundamentally change.

Mr Ice Cream Glove
Apr 22, 2007

https://mobile.twitter.com/Nate_Cohn/status/1061409647175917569

Slow News Day
Jul 4, 2007
Probation
Can't post for 13 hours!

Mr Ice Cream Glove posted:

I wonder how The Donald is holding up

inject this poo poo directly into my eyeballs

vorebane
Feb 2, 2009

"I like Ur and Kavodel and Enki being nice to people for some reason."

Wrong Voter amongst wrong voters

Why did I read the comments?

Shimrra Jamaane
Aug 10, 2007

Obscure to all except those well-versed in Yuuzhan Vong lore.
Its helpful that McSally is very unlikely to pull a Rick Scott and start throwing out conspiracy threats and will instead take her loss well. Because she knows if she behaves she’ll likely get appointed to McCain’s seat anyway.

Lote
Aug 5, 2001

Place your bets

Mr Ice Cream Glove posted:

I wonder how The Donald is holding up

Black guy in New York who is preparing for a war against the Democrats? I don’t think they would exist but I did see a black guy waving a confederate flag at a statue protest once so /shrug

Mahoning
Feb 3, 2007

Shimrra Jamaane posted:

Its helpful that McSally is very unlikely to pull a Rick Scott and start throwing out conspiracy threats and will instead take her loss well. Because she knows if she behaves she’ll likely get appointed to McCain’s seat anyway.

John Kyl was already appointed to McCain’s seat a few months ago.

Doctor Teeth
Sep 12, 2008


Groovelord Neato posted:

if another country had elections like we do we'd be agitating for intervention.

Well it'd depend on how many weapons they buy or how how much of a "strategic asset" they are, but yeah...

Furnaceface
Oct 21, 2004




Tibalt posted:

Operating medicine in the US the same way that they operate in the UK or Canada would require a massive change in how American healthcare operates.

That's not a reason to do it - the US system is terrible. But acting like it would be a small or easy change is ignorant. Your day to day interaction with medicine will need to fundamentally change.

Its not something that happens overnight. It took decades to get it from a single province to be accepted country wide.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_medicine_in_Canada

I dont think anyone here thinks its going to be a small or easy change, but its one that absolutely needs to happen.

treasured8elief
Jul 25, 2011

Salad Prong

Tibalt posted:

Operating medicine in the US the same way that they operate in the UK or Canada would require a massive change in how American healthcare operates.

That's not a reason to do it - the US system is terrible. But acting like it would be a small or easy change is ignorant. Your day to day interaction with medicine will need to fundamentally change.

I can't recall many people saying nationalizing healthcare or such would be a small or an easy change. it is something that absolutely has to be done, though, and sooner we do the more lives will be saved

eke out
Feb 24, 2013



i'm laughing about Notable Nazi Steve King in a dispute with the far-left publication "the weekly standard"

https://twitter.com/stephenfhayes/status/1061415279161434112

er, i mean

https://twitter.com/SteveKingIA/status/1061282737020116992

Antifa News

Owlofcreamcheese
May 22, 2005
Probation
Can't post for 9 years!
Buglord

Tibalt posted:

Your day to day interaction with medicine will need to fundamentally change.

my what?

Shimrra Jamaane
Aug 10, 2007

Obscure to all except those well-versed in Yuuzhan Vong lore.

Mahoning posted:

John Kyl was already appointed to McCain’s seat a few months ago.

He’s stepping down in January.

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Mahoning
Feb 3, 2007

Shimrra Jamaane posted:

He’s stepping down in January.

Is he? I know he said he might, but I didn’t think it was for sure.

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