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HorrificExistence posted:i'm american HorrificExistence posted:Every American child is a victim of the society they live in. Much like the Hitler youth, they are given no options besides fascism. So you're a fascist? Back on topic, if this is true it shows how deep the alliance between Saudi Arabia and Israel is becoming: https://twitter.com/sarahleah1/status/1060797390041632768 Dr Kool-AIDS fucked around with this message at 16:10 on Nov 9, 2018 |
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Sinteres posted:Back on topic, if this is true it shows how deep the alliance between Saudi Arabia and Israel is becoming: This is me being stupid and focusing on the externalities, but: You know, for a guy with so much money, you'd think MBS would invest in some orthodontics. His teeth have such a weird spacing. Otherwise: Daaaaaamn, if they're doing that, uh, I can only blink rapidly in confusion as my brain shorts out.
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FWIW Middle East Eye is one of the outlets KSA demanded be shut down when they were making demands of Qatar, so take it with a grain of salt until confirmation pops up.
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Thanks muchly for that info, I did not know that.
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Sinteres posted:FWIW Middle East Eye is one of the outlets KSA demanded be shut down when they were making demands of Qatar, so take it with a grain of salt until confirmation pops up. Didn’t they also do that with Al Jazeera?
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Nov 9, 2018 20:29
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Coldwar timewarp posted:Didn’t they also do that with Al Jazeera? Yeah, and I wouldn't take anything they say about KSA as absolute truth either, just as I wouldn't look to Al Arabiya for the full story on Qatar.
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Al Jazeera has gotten co-opted more and more by the Qatari government in recent years, but middle east eye is full on a Qatari mouthpiece. That doesn't mean everything they post about Saudi Arabia is bullshit, but they are happy to promote rumors if they are at the expense of KSA.
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Holy poo poo: https://twitter.com/John_Hudson/status/1061017206446796802 This is why all the takes about "why care about one journalist instead of the people of Yemen" missed the point--caring about that one journalist ended up potentially helping the people of Yemen more than the amount of concern the world could bring themselves to bear for Yemen itself.
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Sinteres posted:Holy poo poo: Yeah but there's also this a few posts down, may have been the sweetener for the Saudis over losing their air support https://twitter.com/John_Hudson/status/1060644726662160386 *edit, although honestly I was surprised that they aren't already designated a terrorist organisation given that they're pals with Iran echomadman fucked around with this message at 01:34 on Nov 10, 2018 |
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Nov 10, 2018 01:31
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Sinteres posted:Holy poo poo: Its not missing the point. Its very clearly a good result, if it pans out. The point is how hosed up that one man with the right friends has more value than a country being bombed and starved into submission.
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Nov 10, 2018 02:15
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Coldwar timewarp posted:Its not missing the point. Its very clearly a good result, if it pans out. This is not a new phenomenon. No one cared that Afghanistan was ruled by fundamentalist despots until one Arab decided to take refuge there.
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This Yemen news is very good, but the world must push for more. The blockade has to end. https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2018/oct/15/yemen-on-brink-worst-famine-100-years-un Yemen on brink of 'world's worst famine in 100 years' if war continues quote:Yemen could be facing the worst famine in 100 years if airstrikes by the Saudi-led coalition are not halted, the UN has warned. The world's worst fears are now coming true in Yemen. The scale of suffering is is absurd. Meanwhile this week the coalition has launched another push to seize Hodedah. The war needs to be ended immediately.
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Sinteres posted:Holy poo poo: And Sinteres' blind cynicism shrunk .0003 sizes that day. Erdogan has come out and said there is recordings of Khashoggi at the embassy, which is the first official acknowledgement. Previously it was just anonymous police sources. https://mobile.twitter.com/AFP/status/1061220891357519872
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Volkerball posted:And Sinteres' blind cynicism shrunk .0003 sizes that day. Whens idlib going to fall colkerball (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Volkerball posted:And Sinteres' blind cynicism shrunk .0003 sizes that day. Just post it on SoundCloud you gently caress.
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Volkerball posted:And Sinteres' blind cynicism shrunk .0003 sizes that day. Macron's response: https://twitter.com/EmmanuelMacron/status/1061270336635916289
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Volkerball posted:Erdogan has come out and said there is recordings of Khashoggi at the embassy *Consulate.
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svenkatesh posted:Macron's response: "Work to ensure the stability of the Middle East" is the vaguest nonanswer you can possibly give in this situation.
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What is the range of the fighter-bombers the Saudis use? I'm really surprised they need in air refueling.
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Jagged Jim posted:"Work to ensure the stability of the Middle East" is the vaguest nonanswer you can possibly give in this situation. He clarifies in the next sentence. He cares about the stability of the price of oil, the Middle East is only the means to an end.
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pro starcraft loser posted:What is the range of the fighter-bombers the Saudis use? I'm really surprised they need in air refueling. The US didn’t sell them predators or like drones, so they need aerial refuelling to loiter and be available for air support on demand. Also it depends which air bases they are operating out of. They did buy Chinese predator drones, but I would assume not enough. I’ll never understand why a country like Saudi Arabia wouldn’t buy tankers and such. Or more of them if they have them.
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Coldwar timewarp posted:The US didn’t sell them predators or like drones, so they need aerial refuelling to loiter and be available for air support on demand. Also it depends which air bases they are operating out of. They did buy Chinese predator drones, but I would assume not enough. How much do they trust their pilots?
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svenkatesh posted:He clarifies in the next sentence. He cares about the stability of the price of oil, the Middle East is only the means to an end. Honesty? How...refreshing!
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Absurd Alhazred posted:How much do they trust their pilots? No idea. But like most authoritarian regimes, the Air Force is probably very loyal. In Saudi Arabia’s case, this means that some portion of the pilots will be princes or other connected individuals due to the prestige of the job.
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Coldwar timewarp posted:No idea. But like most authoritarian regimes, the Air Force is probably very loyal. In Saudi Arabia’s case, this means that some portion of the pilots will be princes or other connected individuals due to the prestige of the job. I would actually argue that a military pilot is one of the most merit-based jobs in the military, considering how one gently caress-up can destroy a multi-million dollar plane. And there are lots of ways to gently caress-up when flying.
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I think we all need education on what a pilot really is to an authortarian regime. Its not that a pilot becomes a pilot then becomes loyal. More like loyal people are picked to go be pilots. When the US trains allied nations pilots they arent picking the roster of whos gonna be trained the allied nation is, there isnt an easily reachable civil pilot training available in most of the ME (us civil pilot training is about 10k depending on area?) So all the pilots in saudi arabia are groomed from families mega loyal to the government not the people. Syrian pilots are a great example of a deeply entrenched selection of who gets to use the deadliest weapons of the regime.qkkl posted:I would actually argue that a military pilot is one of the most merit-based jobs in the military, considering how one gently caress-up can destroy a multi-million dollar plane. And there are lots of ways to gently caress-up when flying. You're thinking pf this in the sense of a developed nation that can buy planes and has civilians flying etc. Syria doesnt, saudi has airports but its got a microscoping amount of pilots that have military flight training. Where i live there is a thriving amateur fighter pilot community that go out flying together all the time. Its not like that in most of the ME, the deeply authortarianist nature of things and relatively high region wide poverty means those who get pilot training are connected families. WAR CRIME GIGOLO fucked around with this message at 01:21 on Nov 11, 2018 |
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Coldwar timewarp posted:The US didn’t sell them predators or like drones, so they need aerial refuelling to loiter and be available for air support on demand. Also it depends which air bases they are operating out of. They did buy Chinese predator drones, but I would assume not enough. Ahh OK, so these are mostly for ground attack craft awaiting targets of opportunity. I assumed it was for targeted (lol) bomber missions on stationary structures. Thanks!
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pro starcraft loser posted:Ahh OK, so these are mostly for ground attack craft awaiting targets of opportunity. Probably those too, but I don’t think they would need Aerial refuelling for a mission like you described. Keep in mind I don’t know any of this for sure, just educated guesses. I am sort of assuming that they would try to do to the Houthi’s what the US did/does to IS. Less competent and less resourced, but quite possible when you are fighting a war with total air superiority.
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qkkl posted:I would actually argue that a military pilot is one of the most merit-based jobs in the military, considering how one gently caress-up can destroy a multi-million dollar plane. And there are lots of ways to gently caress-up when flying. John McCaine was a pilot. George Bush was a pilot.
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Bip Roberts posted:John McCaine was a pilot. George Bush was a pilot. Coming from a well-connected, moneyed family is how merit is defined in practice.
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Bip Roberts posted:George Bush was a pilot. That bailed out like a coward before his crew had a chance to escape.
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Looks like the Pentagon may just start having both a public and private position on the war in Yemen: https://twitter.com/weinbergersa/status/1061383124276465664 FWIW going after the ballistic missiles seems like a pretty reasonable mission, and I think if the Houthis succeeded in causing a mass casualty event in Saudi Arabia the end result would be bad for everyone, so if that's all we're up to it seems a hell of a lot better than openly supporting the Saudi bombing campaign. I obviously think we need to go beyond eliminating our role in refueling and actually force the Saudis to grant humanitarian relief to the people of Yemen though. Dr Kool-AIDS fucked around with this message at 14:30 on Nov 11, 2018 |
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Coldwar timewarp posted:No idea. But like most authoritarian regimes, the Air Force is probably very loyal. In Saudi Arabia’s case, this means that some portion of the pilots will be princes or other connected individuals due to the prestige of the job. Just like every other job of consequence in Saudi Arabia, most of their skilled pilots and trainers are foreign workers. Many are from Pakistan and from the west (French or American, mostly). https://www.veteranstoday.com/2018/02/24/role-of-pakistan-army-in-saudi-arabia/
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Coldwar timewarp posted:I’ll never understand why a country like Saudi Arabia wouldn’t buy tankers and such. Or more of them if they have them. KSA has its own tankers. So does UAE. But tankers and crews cost money and have maintenance and crew rest cycles, so if the USA were willing, of course KSA is going to request support. 
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qkkl posted:I would actually argue that a military pilot is one of the most merit-based jobs in the military, considering how one gently caress-up can destroy a multi-million dollar plane. And there are lots of ways to gently caress-up when flying. John Sidney McCain III
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420 Gank Mid posted:John Sidney McCain III TBF, only one of those crashes was his fault, as I recall. The other four were ludicrously bad luck.
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svenkatesh posted:Just like every other job of consequence in Saudi Arabia, most of their skilled pilots and trainers are foreign workers. Many are from Pakistan and from the west (French or American, mostly). is veteranstoday reliable? they have some weird stuff https://www.veteranstodayarchives.com/2010/07/29/gordon-duff-wiki-leaks-is-isreal-like-we-all-didnt-know/ https://www.veteranstoday.com/2016/09/02/ufo-destroys-israeli-weaponised-satellite-on-the-launch-pad/
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It's a conspiracy website, one random example being they claimed Google Ideas were involved with the August 21st 2013 Sarin attacks in Damascus.
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That's what I get for pulling the first link from DDG without looking more into the website. Here's a source from Reuters: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-pakistan-saudi/pakistan-to-send-troops-to-saudi-arabia-to-train-and-advise-idUSKCN1G00YI
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