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Tuxedo Catfish posted:Generational change. There's no more important political battleground in the country than schools and colleges. Society advances funeral by funeral. Except that often it doesn't and you end up in the same situation you were always in the rich get richer, the poor stay poor. The best way to alter that in terms of historical times has been to arm a loving tonne of people, get most of them killed and then have them come back and demand better and the government be afraid that they would use that training and guns to kill them. In truth? If we are all damned then maybe it would be best to spit defiance at the systems that make it this way and the people who defend it, either through going "well it's supposed to be like this" orrrrrr Like this. If this is all in Gods hands then God is vicious and going "well let divinity sort it out" has and will never be a good thing. I am sorry for getting cross but I am on my last nerve at this point. Josef bugman fucked around with this message at 20:05 on Nov 11, 2018 |
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Nov 11, 2018 19:55
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StashAugustine posted:On the flip side I loved the little detail in the master and commander movie where they're saying the our father at the end and the irish doctor doesn't finish "for thine is the kingdom power and glory" I've read the movie is considered one of the most detail-oriented historical fiction films ever. It sure looks like that for untrained eye and that detail only makes me appreciate it more.
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HEY GUNS posted:watching any crime show as an (ex)catholic you see tons of this poo poo: the wrong words said as prayers, the wrong colors of vestments, god it's everywhere i just remembered, one of the priests in the cartoon started speaking Latin at one point!!
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Josef bugman posted:Society advances funeral by funeral. To be clear, I'm not proposing this as a general theory of how to change society. I'm saying that for this particular decade or two, it's one of the clearest sources of hope for things to improve, I think -- not a substitute for political action or moral persuasion, but a fallback when it comes to people who will not be persuaded.
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Cnidario posted:Got a question for you Orthodox goons. It isn't really, not in mainstream Orthodoxy, anyway. But there is an argument to be made. The Hundred Chapter Synod (or Stoglav) declared anyone who shaved his beard a heretic. This decision specifically has never been reverted, although the Great Moscow Synod a century later de facto nullified all proclamations of the Stoglav.
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Paladinus posted:It isn't really, not in mainstream Orthodoxy, anyway. But there is an argument to be made. The Hundred Chapter Synod (or Stoglav) declared anyone who shaved his beard a heretic. This decision specifically has never been reverted, although the Great Moscow Synod a century later de facto nullified all proclamations of the Stoglav.
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Pellisworth posted:Hmm is there a reason we're now the Religionthread? I don't like it. The Buddhist thread is the Buddhist thread, the Islam thread is the Islam thread, why is the Christianity thread now a general purpose religion thread?
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TOOT BOOT posted:I don't like it. The Buddhist thread is the Buddhist thread, the Islam thread is the Islam thread, why is the Christianity thread now a general purpose religion thread? if it really bothers you i'll change it back
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I've been loaned a copy of "The Rudder of the Orthodox Catholic Church" which is a big huge compilation of all the canon law. So far as I can tell, you can get excommunicated for all kinds of things, but I haven't gotten to any parts about scruffy hair... yet.
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cerror posted:I've been loaned a copy of "The Rudder of the Orthodox Catholic Church" which is a big huge compilation of all the canon law. So far as I can tell, you can get excommunicated for all kinds of things, but I haven't gotten to any parts about scruffy hair... yet. the rudder is that
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Idunno, maybe after WW2 but that seems like an outlier considering the long term legacies of the civil war and ww1 in the US were jim crow, sharecropping, and the bonus army. Never mind that the vietnam generation got us in this mess in the first place.
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Nov 11, 2018 22:59
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HEY GUNS posted:because there are many friendly atheists in it and one pagan For whatever it's worth, please don't worry about it either way on my account. I like that this is a Christian space where I am welcome as a guest, I don't need it to belong to me. Plus I'm probably going to start taking RCIA classes before the end of the month anyways. 
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Nov 11, 2018 23:05
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HEY GUNS posted:because there are many friendly atheists in it and one pagan It's a small thing to complain about given everything that's going on in the world I guess. I just feel like it's still essentially the Christian thread regardless of the fact that non-Christians post and are welcome here.
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HEY GUNS posted:because there are many friendly atheists in it and one pagan i have posted in other religion threads but they don't rename themselves "LUTHA IS COOL" or anything. even if imo they should consider it
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No one can afford to be naive about violence and oppression anymore. I don't know what the future will look like, but several things reoccur to me. First is that war and violence are phenomenons with unpredictable consequences, and in those situations, we should be asking ourselves, "Are you sure?". Second is that Gil Scott Heron was right: the revolution cannot be youtubed or televised because the first revolution is an internal revolution of perspective and attitude. Third is that the life-or-death revolution humanity must realize is that the enemy of mankind is never another human, even when the circumstances compel us to strike or kill another human. The last is that people of compassion are realizing there are two postures of compassion, gentle and fierce, and it will take practice to do both skillfully and appropriately. If we are not already accustomed to using both in our daily lives while it's still peacetime, then it's dubious that we'll succeed at it in wartime, when the stakes are higher and the tolerance for failure is lower. HEY GUNS posted:because there are many friendly atheists in it and one pagan I like the thread as it was and as it is. Tuxedo Catfish posted:For whatever it's worth, please don't worry about it either way on my account. I like that this is a Christian space where I am welcome as a guest, I don't need it to belong to me. You are more than a guest; you are a contributor. Also, the RCIA thing is new news, isn't it?
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HEY GUNS posted:do you know if it's official for Orthodox believers to grow your hair out and get scruffy, or just a thing people do sometimes Clearly, they are trying to emulate the Desert Fathers.
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Caufman posted:You are more than a guest; you are a contributor. It is. It's something I considered three and a half years ago when I decided I needed to understand Catholicism better, but at the time the actual practice of faith was so alien to me (and I had such distinctly ulterior motives) that I would have felt insincere committing to it then. I was lonely and depressed and in love with someone who was also at a trying point in her life, and we were sort of clinging to our friendship and the possibility of making it more than that as a lifeline. We even talked about getting married, but in the end she didn't think she could ever explain to our theoretical children why their father didn't believe in God. I threw myself very abruptly into study of the Bible, read the Catechism of the Catholic Church, and spent months that summer going on long walks outside sort of arguing with myself, trying to identify each of the things that stood between me and believing. I went to the nearest Church and asked to see a priest, made an appointment, and talked to him about my situation and some of my objections; he gave me kind and well-intentioned advice (prayer, letting grace guide you over time, and acknowledging that there was a lot of disagreement even within the Church about things like acceptance of homosexuality) but it wasn't really the kind of abstract, intellectual answer that I needed at that time. I was also applying and preparing for law school at that time, and as it happened the school that gave me the best financial aid (at the last minute -- I'd already said yes to a scholarship offer in Chicago before the University of Pittsburgh came through with a last-minute better offer) was in the same city where my friend was going to school. I was still holding onto some hope that we could work things out (and I checked with her that I wasn't overstepping myself by coming there) so I jumped at the chance. I went to a couple of Masses with her but felt completely out of place -- through no fault of the parishes themselves, mind you, just that sense that you get as an introvert standing among a community that you don't belong to for the first time. I also visited a local congregation of Friends, thinking maybe I could wrap my head around the total opposite -- a much more flexible and loosely defined idea of God -- and while again the people were very friendly I had an incredibly bizarre internal experience while I was there (that I could talk about more if people are interested, but this post is already turning into my entire life story) that left me more sure than ever that belief in God was incompatible with who I was. I started posting here regularly around that time as well; you guys gave me the chance for me to see which of my beliefs and impressions were compatible with Christianity or not, and it really was mostly "not." I couldn't overcome the simple, involuntary inability to believe in God as I vaguely conceived of Him. I couldn't condone the existence of suffering and natural cruelty, which in turn meant I couldn't imagine being grateful to the architect of the the world as it is. I couldn't imagine seeing the Catholic church as a moral authority given its teachings on sex and sexuality, combined with the scandals of the priesthood and the cover-up of those scandals. I was deeply bothered by what I saw (and to be honest, still see) as the invitation to passivity and turning inward that seems -- bound to, but not necessarily synonymous with Christian belief. Intellectually, the idea that a perfect world would look like a hierarchy where one infinite being ruled over many limited ones bothered me, and on an emotional, experiential level, my deprogramming from white supremacy and the rest of my father's beliefs, and just my general experiences with illegitimate authority meant that every step I'd ever taken in my life towards being a better person was an act of rebellion -- "anyone who wants to be called Lord is your enemy." I've struggled with each of these things for years. But I'm not a completely static creature, and I've made progress on each of them. I've come to regard my relationship to existence and its foundation as important whether or not I call that foundation God. I am still absolutely opposed to what I guess you would call the logic of death -- the way everything in the world grows old, decays, the way life feeds on other life, the constant presence of scarcity, and so on -- but the depth of bitterness and resentment I felt because of it wasn't healthy. Existentialism has been a great comfort to me but I wasn't approaching the Absurd with cheerful refusal, I was trying to fight and protest the Absurd in the posture of a suicide -- with angry, despairing defiance. I wished I could believe, like a Christian, that Death had been conquered, but couldn't. I am appalled by suffering and cruelty, but I can say with confidence that I'd rather exist than not, and, after thinking about it for a long time, even that I wouldn't want to throw away the memory of past suffering. I'd like to be a better version of myself, but I wouldn't want to be someone else, and I wouldn't want to be nothing. So I can't, in good faith, be completely ungrateful for what I see in existence, because if I did then the logical thing to do would be to turn away from it. I've come to an understanding of natural and human cruelty that lets me suppose: maybe God determined that that the best world is one in which imperfect creatures participated in creation, and participated in meaningful ways, not just as proxies for His will. Maybe suffering is as repulsive to Him as it is to me -- maybe even more so, because of His perfect perspective -- and it's just that an infinitely powerful and infinitely good being has to thread the needle where doing nothing to help us would be abandonment but even the slightest compulsion would be tyranny. It's not that suffering is necessary -- it absolutely isn't -- it's just that if I'm right and God hates tyranny even more than suffering, overcoming suffering has to be a human project, guided (but not determined) by non-coercive grace, at least for now. To understand the world as a human project means it doesn't make sense to retreat from the Church because I disagree; it means that I need to go towards it, to join the communal discussion -- not with the delusion that my opinion is uniquely important and is going to change everything, of course, but in the sense that a universal human project is incomplete without any of us. I have a few moral lines I won't ever back down from and they would probably make me a really bad Catholic, and that's going to be a delicate thing to negotiate even just as a friend standing nearby let alone if I decide to convert, but I don't think I can let that be an excuse. I'm not going to stop being a socialist, because my socialism is grounded in the belief that is the urgent duty of every human being on Earth to look out for each other, that every death by starvation, untreated wound or illness, or exposure when the cure for those things is available is a murder. I don't see this as incompatible with Christianity; actual, historical materialism-based Marxism might be but I was already way too in love with the idea of telos to be a good Marxist long before I even knew what the word meant, or started thinking about religious conversion. Moreover, I've seen people exemplify faith as a call to action in this world; the friend I mentioned earlier is a great example, and several of you have impressed me on this front as well. Hegel had a good response to my concerns about hierarchy years and years ago -- essentially "does it really make sense to ask about the superior and inferior between a person and the air they breathe?" It didn't immediately satisfy my objection, but it put me on the right track, especially alongside some of the other theological points like God being His qualities rather than possessing them. To ask whether God is hierarchically "above" mankind is like asking, "which do you love more, your mother or your family?" The family is a larger and more inclusive category, but to weigh one separately against the other isn't even possible -- you can measure the part against the whole, but if you tried to measure the part against everything left over without that part, neither of those is the whole. With respect to both the spirit of rebellion that has guided me and with respect to the question of passivity, I've been reading about the Abolition movement in the antebellum United States, and it's been helpful to have a portrait of radical, activist Christianity in my own cultural context (albeit 160+ years ago) and on the side I like to imagine I would have been. And... that's where I am now: I've changed my mind about a few things, and resolved others on the terms I set for myself, however arbitrary. I can imagine myself believing in something like God and responding to that something with gratitude instead of resentment and pain. Believing in Christ, specifically, would be an extraordinary step beyond that, and I'm inclined to agree with the Catechism when it says that step can't be achieved through reason. If I'd tried to do this in the summer of 2015 I would have been doing it out a desperate desire to remake myself to suit someone else's need -- I would have been dishonest to myself (to say nothing of the Church!) and demeaning to her, to act like if I could just contort myself into a different person we would automatically be happy and together afterwards. Recently, that same friend agreed to sponsor me for the RCIA. We've both changed a lot since then and neither of us are in quite such soul-crushing circumstances. I still love her, but without that edge of desperate, selfish loneliness, and it's no longer the reason I'm doing this -- it's become something I need to see through in and of itself, and that's what needed to happen for me to give myself permission to proceed, so to speak. I want to test the solutions I've come up with, see if I'm really just coming up with rough approximations of old ideas, and learn whether my solutions are acceptable not on my terms (I already know they are, after all) but on the terms of the community I'm thinking of joining. And as I understand it, that's what the RCIA is for. Tuxedo Catfish fucked around with this message at 06:19 on Nov 12, 2018 |
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HEY GUNS posted:because there are many friendly atheists in it and one pagan It doesn't bother me at all, I was just wondering if the title change meant the mods had decided to fold the Christianity, Islam, Buddhism etc threads into one which I think would be a poor idea. Not because I don't welcome posting from other traditions, quite the opposite! I just think other religions deserve their own threads. A catch-all religion thread might work but honestly I think this thread is in a pretty good place in terms of content and vibe and would rather it not be radically changed. (mostly liturgical) Christianity thread, friends very welcomed!
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Nov 12, 2018 03:47
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Pray for California, liturgigoons! The shooting in Thousand Oaks last week took many friends' friends. Then the fire hit days later and many close friends and family in Christ have lost their homes, though so far no one I know has died.
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If anyone is in urgent need of good news, I don't like to talk about my personal life much in this thread, but my sister's wedding was yesterday at the church she and I grew up in, and our old youth pastor who was around for my sister's middle school through college years performed the wedding. Her husband is a great guy the rest of us have liked for years, so I wish them all the best. And thank my sister that she kept the wedding short and simple. A merciful change from the last few I've been to. And the only time something caught on fire that wasn't supposed to catch on fire was at the rehearsal dinner. 
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Nov 12, 2018 05:40
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Why you do a rehearsal dinner, to burn off anything that was going to catch fire. Congratulations to your sister and her husband, I'll be praying for a happy marriage for them!
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this thread posted:a personal relationship with God is incompatible with personal feelings of empathy and human solidarity If you are a person who has identified a "religious experience" in their life then politics is viewed through this prism: God is present in this world, a living God. As well as this, God is a Person, seperate from Creation, in a relationship as Creator. From observing the fact that the Earth revolves around the Sun, giving us sunrises and sunsets, the wonder of life, to the inevitability of death, we get a tiny idea of how infinite a Creator could be. Also, how powerless we are in the face of such a Person. We are bound by the rules of reality; who could possibly create this reality? But, we all die; we will all eventually be forgotten; all human effort is pointless. God created us to die. We are so incredibly different, Creator and Creature, that the relationship is an impossible divide. We bring into this problem the inner, secret desires of our heart, in this case an urge to help people suffering materially, or due to poor health, or neglect, or human injustice. To complain about injustice in this world is natural. God is a God of justice, who made us People, in the image of God; that is, God is a Person who is just. Religion identifies human injustice as an affront to God. But we complain about the injustice of natural disasters, disease and so on all causing humans misery. Well, as a human race, we don't get along with God that well. In the long run, from the Big Bang to the eventual heat death of the universe, we have turned from God, tried to "go it alone". No matter what we do, our bodies will die and everything will have been for nothing. Suffering is an inevitable part of the living conditions in Creation. It is confusing to try and reconcile this. Tolstoy has a line of reasoning that explains how you get to this point. When faced with the existential crisis, there are four options left: - bacchanal pursuits. If we only have a short time on earth, why not just party until the inevitable? Unfortunately you cannot ignore not everyone has access to "the good life" that you do. - ignorance. Unfortunately you can't forget an idea. - suicide. Assuming a non-existence of God and deaths inevitability, why wait? But Tolstoy admitted he was too cowardly. Also, as a solution, it is impractical. - barely hanging on in life despite the absurdity of existence with no God. C. S. Lewis identified another response: to shake your fist at the universe and do one's best in the time you have. He felt this also was impractical. All that was left then was the possibility that God is real, and that God is Life. But something was still wrong; if God is life, why does everything die? The Christian explanation is thus concerned with salvation. If God is a God of justice as well as life, then how do we correct the greatest crime of all; that is, we have collectively turned our face? God created us and loves us, and would rather we hang out with Him forever, but this world we find ourselves in is only temporary. God's decision on this matter of our salvation will be just. There was one person in history who claimed to heal this relationship. God the Creator required a sacrifice in exchange for the crime humanity committed, of leaving the relationship. Christ, as God (the only one who can decide our fate) as well as human (Christ existed in this reality we live in) is that sacrifice. Our salvation thus requires an honest loving relationship with God the Creator through Christ, who commanded it. Being in any type of loving relationship requires ongoing mutual obligations: God grants us life, we obey God's commands. So now (finally, sorry) we come to the question of how do we deal with our empathy and desire to help others? Well, it's part of our obligations towards God in showing our love for God. God through the Spirit urges our hearts this way. It is how we are built, we demonstrably have failed in trying to be and use evil for our own devices, humans cannot handle the responsibility required to manage emotions concerning revenge, judgement, dishonesty and so on. God can; leave those things up to God. We humans concern ourselves with loving God back, and loving eachother. We are much better at love, and creating beautiful things, and helping eachother, because when we do those things, it is with the power of God working through us. Instead of helping others in spite of God, we love others because of God, who loved us first. Tl;dr: it is good and correct to want to help others. The good news is that an eternal life of love is waiting for you if you choose. But politics is not worth stressing about. Rather it is just another one of the inifite opportunities available for the expression of love.
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asio posted:a personal relationship with God is incompatible with personal feelings of empathy and human solidarity
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HEY GUNS posted:i don't think that's what we're saying. in the first place, i'm never sure what protestants mean when they say "personal relationship with God." There are a lot of rather... abrupt assumptions in that post, especially given that they are presented as necessary truths to one who views politics through a life of religious belief.
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HEY GUNS posted:i don't think that's what we're saying. in the first place, i'm never sure what protestants mean when they say "personal relationship with God." I mean it in regards to the line of discussion that says that natural disasters (for example) are injustices caused by God to people, and that this means that God's idea of "good" is different to our own. The personal relationship bit is partly that we must be honest in out hearts (that secret place that only we know about) about our love for God, and partly in the way that Hebrews talks about Christ being the high priest who takes us personally up to the throne of God the father. (Not protestant, reformed)
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Liquid Communism posted:There are a lot of rather... abrupt assumptions in that post, especially given that they are presented as necessary truths to one who views politics through a life of religious belief.
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asio posted:(Not protestant, reformed)
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Liquid Communism posted:There are a lot of rather... abrupt assumptions in that post, especially given that they are presented as necessary truths to one who views politics through a life of religious belief. It is my understanding this is the particular thread for the religion called Christianity. I hope my post clears up some parts of that religion for you so that I can engage with posters more productively by understanding where I am coming from as a Christian. I understand the US has a stronger history of the discussion between acts vs works and how it feeds into contemporary politics so my post might come across closer on the evangelism side than the social justice side. But the point I was trying to make is that progressive/conservative politics (or the trendy term "culture wars") can't convincingly explain more fundamental issues; like justice, truth, love, forgiveness, things that are discussed in the bible. In my own country there is a problem where all the "progressive" types are like the depressed hippy off The Young Ones, and I think that it needs to be discussed by Christians that we need to cheer up and not get sucked into that kind of "oh dear"-ism. Religion is meant to be the practical application of divine revelation and I think having an approach to politics that doesn't leave us all taking antidepressants is more practical. (Hey guns the motherland and her colonies are still touchy about English-language services so watch it :p )
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Wow, that was a compelling read. I was especially haunted by what you call Christianity and religion's invitation to passivity and turning inwards. That is very close to my anxieties about the practice, especially my own. My other great anxiety is its capacity to manipulate others into making sacrifices for a selfish purpose. In other words, it'd be great if everyone else were well-behaved, so I don't have to be (at least as much). It seems to me that the only way the practice works is if it encourages the practitioner to be more engaged with life at every level. That includes the public and the private spheres. But engaging with life is taxing and bruising, or at least it is in my experience. And so the practice is also about recovery and humility. It is like feeling defeated by current events one day, but then a few days later being able to celebrate the joy of two people's loving commitment in marriage, and to share that good news with acquaintances. Every once in a while, I still have to bust out the old MLK Jr. mountaintop speech just for myself. I have to see it again, that level of courageousness and action in the flesh of an American minister. He was golden-hearted, he suffered greatly and unjustly for it, and, facing the real threat of murder, he still praised the foundation of his being out loud.
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HEY GUNS posted:i don't think that's what we're saying. in the first place, i'm never sure what protestants mean when they say "personal relationship with God." How I use it and how I understand it, having a personal relationship with God is as much an approximation as anything is when talking about Him in human terms. Relationship is the closest concept. In a relationship you communicate with each other, relationship is between persons, relationship is not a competition or test and isn't defined by doing as much as by being.
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Pellisworth posted:It doesn't bother me at all, I was just wondering if the title change meant the mods had decided to fold the Christianity, Islam, Buddhism etc threads into one which I think would be a poor idea. Not because I don't welcome posting from other traditions, quite the opposite! I just think other religions deserve their own threads. A catch-all religion thread might work but honestly I think this thread is in a pretty good place in terms of content and vibe and would rather it not be radically changed. (mostly liturgical) Christianity thread, friends very welcomed! Well, I probably never will start a paganism thread going on how horrible people treat the subject everywhere else on SA. I just mentioned my beliefs in the ancient history thread and people immediately started making GBS threads all over them. I personally don't need this to be anything other than a liturgigal christianity thread if I can keep posting about my own practices, and you have all been very forthcoming and welcoming in that regard.
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Valiantman posted:How I use it and how I understand it, having a personal relationship with God is as much an approximation as anything is when talking about Him in human terms. Relationship is the closest concept. In a relationship you communicate with each other, relationship is between persons, relationship is not a competition or test and isn't defined by doing as much as by being. whereas--and i think zonohedron has said something like this from the Catholic side--for me religion is about what i do, rather than what i think or how i feel. some days i "feel" more religious than others (i feel love for God, I have the urge to pray), but i am always orthodox. like, if you're in a long term relationship, you're there on the days when you feel a rush of love for your partner, and on the days when everything just seems to drag
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Tias posted:I personally don't need this to be anything other than a liturgigal christianity thread if I can keep posting about my own practices, and you have all been very forthcoming and welcoming in that regard. jastiger didn't get kicked out because of his beliefs, it was because he was an rear end in a top hat edit: paganism and islam tend to bring out the r/atheism but for different reasons. I think you might like the book I recommended in the rome thread, though. HEY GUNS fucked around with this message at 12:20 on Nov 12, 2018 |
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HEY GUNS posted:whereas--and i think zonohedron has said something like this from the Catholic side--for me religion is about what i do, rather than what i think or how i feel. some days i "feel" more religious than others (i feel love for God, I have the urge to pray), but i am always orthodox. Yeah. Like, I can honestly say that I believe and profess everything the Catholic Church teaches and professes, but I don't spend my days reflecting on that, or even teaching other people that. On a day-to-day basis religion is blessing things when I put them in the oven, getting the six-year-old to say grace after meals for us, guiding the three-year-old's hand through the sign of the cross, dragging my sons with me to church, that kind of thing. I have had religious experiences. I have had long periods of time where I was enthusiastically Catholic. But those come and go. If every time I prayed I had an experience like the kind I've related privately to some folks from this thread, it'd be overwhelming and ultimately unpleasant, like having prime rib three meals a day seven days a week. I like prime rib! I like the looks on waiters' faces when I order the largest cut of it, and then actually eat it and the side dishes too! But I couldn't do a meal like that weekly, never mind thrice-daily.
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Night10194 posted:Why you do a rehearsal dinner, to burn off anything that was going to catch fire. Congratulations to your sister and her husband, I'll be praying for a happy marriage for them! Hazards of a three year old flower girl and wrapping paper near a bunch of candles. https://i.imgur.com/UY1t3ME.mp4 Cythereal fucked around with this message at 17:13 on Nov 12, 2018 |
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Tuxedo Catfish posted:I want to test the solutions I've come up with, see if I'm really just coming up with rough approximations of old ideas, and learn whether my solutions are acceptable not on my terms (I already know they are, after all) but on the terms of the community I'm thinking of joining. Thank you for sharing with the thread what is so difficult to put into words coherently. That sort of self-awareness and humility is rare on the internet these days. HEY GUNS posted:for me religion is about what i do, rather than what i think or how i feel. For me religion matches how I think, which affects what I do.
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