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GoluboiOgon posted:i really am looking forward to the next few years of smears against bernie. their main attack is "In neither statement did Sanders indict voters for backing racist candidates,". go down a few more paragraphs, and there is a gillum quote in which he says “I’m not calling Mr. DeSantis a racist, I’m simply saying the racists believe he’s a racist.” so bernie says the same thing (if not slightly more direct) than gillum. I want to point out that Gillum is a young black man in politics, he doesn't have the luxury of being loose with his words that an old white man does. Gillum's quote is weaselly, but as a black person in any "professional" environment our choices when it comes to confronting racism are ignoring it, joking about it, or saying something as gentle as possible as to avoid an entire roomful of people all experiencing white fragility at once which is horrifying and a literal nightmare. Bernie is an old white guy, he has a lot more freedom and leeway to call DeSantis a racist POS. That is the point of allies, btw. To use their privilege to help.
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Chilichimp posted:It's been 18 months... and it's not low on lists of voter priorities, it's low on lists of right wingers and some center-right people. Nah my dude regular rear end folks who are working multiple minimum wage jobs to get by give less than half a poo poo about Russia because it has zero impact whatsoever on them scraping to survive Get out of your lib bubble
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Luckyellow posted:Planting trees everywhere would help in the long term, but doesn't it takes years to even make a dent? I mean, trees need some time to actually grow. Anyone who says that lacks enough education about Fukushima to make a statement such as that.
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Herstory Begins Now posted:There are a couple of places that person could work where that would be reasonable (eg elder care, health care worker, less-so but arguably almost as important, someone involved in the cleanup effort). That said obviously, dollars to dimes that's a 'we need you at gamestop' message or something. Can say from personal experience that that's waaaaaay too firendly to be from GameStop. 
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BENGHAZI 2 posted:Replace the election with these old rich motherfuckers doing Battle Royale and the last one left gets spared the guillotine and made god-king* can we replace the guillotine with New Jack
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Nov 12, 2018 13:52
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Hes running. No, really. He is. https://twitter.com/theintercept/status/1061823741053857792?s=19
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exploded mummy posted:can we replace the guillotine with New Jack Natural Born Killaz blares as he rolls onto the Senate floor with a shopping cart full of poo poo he grabbed out of a dumpster (personal fave was the time he had one of those toy lawnmowers with the bubble on top and beat someone with it)
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BENGHAZI 2 posted:Nah my dude regular rear end folks who are working multiple minimum wage jobs to get by give less than half a poo poo about Russia because it has zero impact whatsoever on them scraping to survive Cool, so we can just let that poo poo happen again. Allowing Russians to influence US elections has been bangin' swell for regular rear end folks working multiple minimum wage jobs so far.
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Chilichimp posted:Cool, so we can just let that poo poo happen again. Allowing Russians to influence US elections has been bangin' swell for regular rear end folks working multiple minimum wage jobs so far. Is this code for the left running another horrible candidate? Like pre-seeding the idea that it's Russia's fault?
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Koalas Massacre posted:Gillum's quote is weaselly, but as a black person in any "professional" environment our choices when it comes to confronting racism are ignoring it, joking about it, or saying something as gentle as possible as to avoid an entire roomful of people all experiencing white fragility at once which is horrifying and a literal nightmare. Was it considered weaselly? I thought it was a fuckin  but I am admittedly WAF (white as gently caress)
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Your Taint posted:Hes running. I was surprised for a minute and then remembered everyone who runs for president either has a monumental ego or grows one in a hurry.
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Failed Imagineer posted:Ballot infections spread via hanging chads hanging chads is the incel party platform.
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Rectal Death Adept posted:Is this code for the left running another horrible candidate? Like pre-seeding the idea that it's Russia's fault? Hey, know what else wasn't on that ballot of poo poo that voters are concerned about? Gerrymandering. Guess we should stop talking about how to fix that poo poo, cuz turns out? People don't care.
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BENGHAZI 2 posted:Nah my dude regular rear end folks who are working multiple minimum wage jobs to get by give less than half a poo poo about Russia because it has zero impact whatsoever on them scraping to survive How does Russia possibly influencing your politics have "zero impact" on "regular rear end folks"? I mean you could say that you don't believe they had any actual effect on the results of your elections but that's different to just saying that Russian meddling doesn't effect regular people. Either the Russian meddling worked and it absolutely did gently caress over everyone but the rich or it failed to influence votes and was stopped at that point. Regarde Aduck fucked around with this message at 14:26 on Nov 12, 2018 |
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If dasharezone admin was a real person rather than an exaggerated character, I would vote for that person. Though as an ageless skeleton I'd rather have them on the supreme court
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Chilichimp posted:Hey, know what else wasn't on that ballot of poo poo that voters are concerned about? Gerrymandering. Well, I mean a lot of people don't care about that either. But that is an actual tangible thing that has impacted elections and is easy to prove. You can't really compare that to the Russia investigation stuff since even if people did care you have to try and explain how a meme campaign and like 0.0001% of the money spent on politics in this country came from a foreign power, how it's different than every election in history where that has happened or every other foreign power putting money into the 2016 election and how they made Donald Trump illegitimately win. Gerrymandering can at least be explained in simple graphics but you aren't really going to get people to care about a Pepe Silva tier attack on the Reds.
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Chilichimp posted:Cool, so we can just let that poo poo happen again. Allowing Russians to influence US elections has been bangin' swell for regular rear end folks working multiple minimum wage jobs so far. That's not what I said, I said it's incredibly low on voter priorities, and it is
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Regarde Aduck posted:How does Russia possibly influencing your politics have "zero impact" on "regular rear end folks"? Because whether or not it turns out the Russians substantively impacted the election or not, I'm still reliant on Medicaid and not making enough money to get by. That isn't going to change regardless of the investigation. Promising to get to the bottom of Russia means nothing to me because it's an abstract thing that is removed from the concerns of my daily life, such as "poo poo I'm almost out of the meds I use to keep my sadbrains under control" and "gently caress do I have rent" And I'm far from the only one! Cough also Russia has been a way for the Dems to avoid thinking about anything they did wrong in 2016 cough BENGHAZI 2 fucked around with this message at 14:32 on Nov 12, 2018 |
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Regarde Aduck posted:How does Russia possibly influencing your politics have "zero impact" on "regular rear end folks"? "Its a drop in the bucket of all the untoward influence our entire political class is perfectly happy to let continue." I don't necessarily agree, but under that view of things elections will continue to be unfairly influenced even if one particular bad actor gets dealt with.
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also in the end russia was only able to influence election because of the environment half a century of right wing media produced. it's a self inflicted wound.
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Groovelord Neato posted:also in the end russia was only able to influence election because of the environment half a century of right wing media produced. it's a self inflicted wound. or a century of right wing media produced a you that accept enough of the "it's a fake news witch hunt" to allow you to just kinda accept the president of the united states is in debt to russia and also gets material aid from them and brush it off as "heh, we deserve it"
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The counter of course is "if Russia hadn't interfered your life would have improved under Hillary" to which I respond loving lol if you think my life would have improved under the candidate who responded to her own party saying "yes fellow kids fight for fifteen" with "how about twelve" Mmmmmm love that slow drip change that was never enough to start and is worth even less when it's done. Can't get enough.
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:or a century of right wing media produced a you that accept enough of the "it's a fake news witch hunt" to allow you to just kinda accept the president of the united states is in debt to russia and also gets material aid from them and brush it off as "heh, we deserve it" Go back to pulling your pud about science
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reignonyourparade posted:I don't necessarily agree, but under that view of things elections will continue to be unfairly influenced even if one particular bad actor gets dealt with. Also there is a question of how that "bad actor" gets dealt with considering that Russia isn't going to suddenly disappear (and neither are the other foreign actors influencing our political process). It is symptomatic of a broader issue at hand which is both the polarizing nature of American elections and the relative weakening of American influence.
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BENGHAZI 2 posted:Because whether or not it turns out the Russians substantively impacted the election or not, I'm still reliant on Medicaid and not making enough money to get by. That isn't going to change regardless of the investigation. Promising to get to the bottom of Russia means nothing to me because it's an abstract thing that is removed from the concerns of my daily life, such as "poo poo I'm almost out of the meds I use to keep my sadbrains under control" and "gently caress do I have rent" I agree with you, and can understand why average Americans aren't concerned with it... because it's being looked into, and it's doesn't really affect our daily lives. I don't think anyone should confuse it being of low priority with it being unimportant. Rectal Death Adept posted:Well, I mean a lot of people don't care about that either. But that is an actual tangible thing that has impacted elections and is easy to prove. You can't really compare that to the Russia investigation stuff since even if people did care you have to try and explain how a meme campaign and like 0.0001% of the money spent on politics in this country came from a foreign power, how it's different than every election in history where that has happened or every other foreign power putting money into the 2016 election and how they made Donald Trump illegitimately win. So Mueller would be Charlie in this analogy? Chilichimp fucked around with this message at 14:38 on Nov 12, 2018 |
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Chilichimp posted:I agree with you, and can understand why average Americans aren't concerned with it... because it's being looked into, and it's doesn't really affect our daily lives. So why are you getting your poo poo in a twist at me
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BENGHAZI 2 posted:So why are you getting your poo poo in a twist at me Because you seem to be on the "it is unimportant" end of this discussion.
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Chilichimp posted:I agree with you, and can understand why average Americans aren't concerned with it... because it's being looked into, and it's doesn't really affect our daily lives. Probably the consensus is still going to be the investigation should continue and cyber-security is important, but I don't know if most people are that interested beyond that. I could see the report coming out and looking bad for Trump, but I have a much harder time seeing it reshape American politics.
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Ardennes posted:Also there is a question of how that "bad actor" gets dealt with considering that Russia isn't going to suddenly disappear (and neither are the other foreign actors influencing our political process). It is symptomatic of a broader issue at hand which is both the polarizing nature of American elections and the relative weakening of American influence. Right, our democracy is fuckin' broken. We need greater transparency in political contributions and to reverse citizens united. We need to regulate internet ad-buys of political content like we already do for TV. Ardennes posted:Probably the consensus is still going to be the investigation should continue and cyber-security is important, but I don't know if most people are that interested beyond that. We may indeed be too far gone for proof of illicit behavior to sway voters.
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BENGHAZI 2 posted:The counter of course is "if Russia hadn't interfered your life would have improved under Hillary" to which I respond loving lol if you think my life would have improved under the candidate who responded to her own party saying "yes fellow kids fight for fifteen" with "how about twelve" Thankfully we got the candidate whose position sits somewhere around "minimum wage? isn't it too high? we should probably abolish it, creating 10 billion jobs" and "actually let's just reinstitute slavery, but pretend it won't have all the nasty bits" rather than the lovely centrist who foolishly starts with compromise positions, because we would run the risk of actually raising minimum wage. The horror.
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Chilichimp posted:Right, our democracy is fuckin' broken. We need greater transparency in political contributions and to reverse citizens united. We need to regulate internet ad-buys of political content like we already do for TV. I think that is pretty straight-forward (I don't think anyone has a problem with that around here), but at the same time, I don't think it would be enough to fix it especially the issue of radicalization. No one can tell the future, but I seriously wonder what the right is going to do if they do reach that point where they really can't win (the parallel would probably be the 1850s where the various compromises started to break down and it looked like slavery was done in the long-term). Granted, that is more of a long-term consideration (2020 and later obviously). It isn't a reason to give an inch but to prepare for turbulence. Ardennes fucked around with this message at 14:50 on Nov 12, 2018 |
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Chilichimp posted:Because you seem to be on the "it is unimportant" end of this discussion. Yeah wild I'm not concerned with a nebulous thing that I can't feel the impact of like I am the much more immediate oppressive forces that make my life miserable drat dude thats hosed up
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archangelwar posted:Thankfully we got the candidate whose position sits somewhere around "minimum wage? isn't it too high? we should probably abolish it, creating 10 billion jobs" and "actually let's just reinstitute slavery, but pretend it won't have all the nasty bits" rather than the lovely centrist who foolishly starts with compromise positions, because we would run the risk of actually raising minimum wage. The horror. My guy if you think we would have raised the minimum wage in a meaningful way that would actually have some impact under Hillary you are stone cold insane Like you start at a number that right now is insufficient, and then you factor in the slow roll out so we don't hurt businesses, and by the time you're at that number it's got maybe as much purchasing power as the current minimum wage does and nothing has changed and everyone is still poor drat why didn't I pin my hopes and dreams on the illusion of change
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BENGHAZI 2 posted:Yeah wild I'm not concerned with a nebulous thing that I can't feel the impact of like I am the much more immediate oppressive forces that make my life miserable So you're just in here to bring all these swaggering liberals back to earth, huh? These people who are concerned with nebulous poo poo, distant and far removed from themselves. They're such fuckin' lib pansies, I gotta bleed every day, and they're worried about like... fuckin' dark money? Puh-lease.
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And twelve isnt better than nothing, because it is nothing. Fifteen is the compromise position, and any further compromise is unacceptable
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