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Renoistic
Jul 27, 2007

Everyone has a
guardian angel.
I couldn't be less interested in that movie after watching the trailer. Pikachu/Deadpool sounds wrong and none of the Pokemon look like they're in the same universe as the humans / world. But it did make me laugh, so there's that. I'll just stick to watching the trailer again because I can't imagine the movie being better. It's like those funny trailers for fan movies that are much better than the final product.

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asecondduck
Feb 18, 2011

by Nyc_Tattoo

Hemingway To Go! posted:

This is way, WAY different than most live action adaptations these days where they have to cater to and include the most miserable, unimaginative, and self-serious audience possible.

I'd say thst pretty much everyone knows what Pokemon is and the basics of it. Millennials know from literally growing up with them, their parents know about them because their kids were super into it, and a lot of today's kids still play the games and watch the anime (though Minecraft is more popular them). Shoot, in a year or two I'll be introducing my daughter to the games.

Pokemon Go also reminded a lot of people about (and in some cases introduced them to) the franchise, so really there's no need to do the whole "this is what Pokemon is" because really the only people that don't know are senior citizens.

Pick
Jul 19, 2009
Nap Ghost
lovely movies are good now, and good movies are poo poo. it is the way of things.

LEGO Batman movies are good. pixar movies are poo poo. pikachu in a loving sherlock holmes hat is good. wdas makes you sigh.

Pick
Jul 19, 2009
Nap Ghost
wake up america

Ccs
Feb 25, 2011


Pick posted:

lovely movies are good now, and good movies are poo poo. it is the way of things.

LEGO Batman movies are good. pixar movies are poo poo. pikachu in a loving sherlock holmes hat is good. wdas makes you sigh.

Yeah basically

Hopefully what comes after WiR2 from Disney is good

Space Cadet Omoly
Jan 15, 2014

~Groovy~


Pick posted:

lovely movies are good now, and good movies are poo poo. it is the way of things.

LEGO Batman movies are good. pixar movies are poo poo. pikachu in a loving sherlock holmes hat is good. wdas makes you sigh.

The newest Laika movie is just a worse version of Smallfoot.

Pick
Jul 19, 2009
Nap Ghost

Space Cadet Omoly posted:

The newest Laika movie is just a worse version of Smallfoot.

Smallfoot owns and apparently was a success, I mostly flipped because I misread the metrics and thought it was a mega-flop.

Space Cadet Omoly
Jan 15, 2014

~Groovy~


Pick posted:

Smallfoot owns and apparently was a success, I mostly flipped because I misread the metrics and thought it was a mega-flop.

Oh I agree, I loved Smallfoot, but it certainly looked liked it was going to be bad from the trailer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cNYwnlcjnDU

Macaluso
Sep 23, 2005

I HATE THAT HEDGEHOG, BROTHER!
Hey, speaking of Smallfoot, here's a bunch of early concept art for it:







Pick
Jul 19, 2009
Nap Ghost
I'm not 100% on the final yeti designs but I do actually like them better than above.

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.
Some of those Pokemon designs looked pretty bad in the stills, but a lot better in motion. I suppose they're supposed to look a bit grungy in the dark noir scenes, in daylight they mostly look a lot better.

Psyduck looks weird. Maybe because it's supposed to, mind. But I always saw it as more of a platypus.

Also, Mr Mime actually works as a snarky bugger who communicates entirely through pantomime. And looks like they're going with the thing from the games; that, similar to Team Rocket's Meowth, Detective Pikachu actually sucks at doing Pikachu things because all of his effort went into speaking (though I dunno if he could only be understood by one person in the game?) and detective work.

Ghost Leviathan fucked around with this message at 05:29 on Nov 13, 2018

Macaluso
Sep 23, 2005

I HATE THAT HEDGEHOG, BROTHER!

Ghost Leviathan posted:

Some of those Pokemon designs looked pretty bad in the stills, but a lot better in motion. I suppose they're supposed to look a bit grungy in the dark noir scenes, in daylight they mostly look a lot better.

Psyduck looks weird. Maybe because it's supposed to, mind. But I always saw it as more of a platypus.

Also, Mr Mime actually works as a snarky bugger who communicates entirely through pantomime. And looks like they're going with the thing from the games; that, similar to Team Rocket's Meowth, Detective Pikachu actually sucks at doing Pikachu things because all of his effort went into speaking (though I dunno if he could only be understood by one person in the game?) and detective work.

I'm fairly sure the premise is that a human detective gets turned into a Pikachu, and that's why he can't properly do Pikachu things (and why he's going to get eaten to death by that Charizard).

Only one person can understand him for whatever magical reason. Meowth everyone could understand him, he specifically taught himself to speak english/japanese/human language

edit: That last sentence I misunderstood what you said, disregard that part

edit: Also man Meowth being able to teach himself how to speak and walk and do things like a regular human, you'd think would bring up all sorts of ethical issues when it comes to other Pokemon :v: Even ignoring other edge cases like that one Slowking and Mewtwo who could also speak (telepathically when it comes to Mewtwo). I'm sure there have been other talking Pokemon since then too, I haven't watched the anime or movies in a long time

Macaluso fucked around with this message at 05:43 on Nov 13, 2018

Pick
Jul 19, 2009
Nap Ghost
It's Jack Frost and his dad IS the pikachu. he died and came back for some reason. now the kid can take his dad to the pokemon breeder with a ditto and try to spam for good stats. lots of walking but it keeps him in shape.

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.
Don't even get into the ethics of Pokemon treatment man, that's a can of worms that the games have even been teasing about, especially with one group being Poke-PETA and all.

And Meowth could certainly find better use for his ability to translate between humans and Pokemon than to be a petty criminal, but it's a running theme that Team Rocket would be better at literally anything except crime. But it is mentioned/implied that leaning to walk on two legs and speak human language took up the move slots that he'd normally use for attacks. (it's a running gag that everyone expects him to be able to use Pay Day and his own greatest regret that he can't, because it's literally the free money attack) But the anime is pretty stupid in general. It's Japan's Scooby-Doo.

Also looks like there's some anime references in the background; the poster in the guy's room about the Charizard vs Articuno fight is something that actually happened in the show.

Looks like there's likely a legendary Pokemon showing up, they're probably not shying away from how some Pokemon are cute pets, some are powerful warriors and some are demigods. (and some are basically gods)

Macaluso
Sep 23, 2005

I HATE THAT HEDGEHOG, BROTHER!
I always got the impression that Meowth stuck with Jesse and James because they're basically his family and the only ones that would take him in. It doesn't really matter that he could be doing bigger and better things with this ability to be like a human. It's something I always loved about the Meowth/Jesse/James thing is that they were actually really close and didn't hate each other at all despite being the bad guys.

It's been a long time but I could've sworn there's been at least one episode where Meowth is like I HAVE NO PLACE and Jesse and James are like NO WE LOVE U

Pick
Jul 19, 2009
Nap Ghost
Team Rocket is a cool family.

dirksteadfast
Oct 10, 2010

Macaluso posted:

Hey, speaking of Smallfoot, here's a bunch of early concept art for it:









I would do unspeakable things for hand-drawn feature animation in this style.

Robindaybird
Aug 21, 2007

Neat. Sweet. Petite.

That last concept looks like something from a high fantasy set piece - the frozen corpse of a great Leviathan that has calcified into a great mountain range that the heroes have to brave.

Macaluso
Sep 23, 2005

I HATE THAT HEDGEHOG, BROTHER!

dirksteadfast posted:

I would do unspeakable things for hand-drawn feature animation in this style.

https://vimeo.com/126287950

It's a movie called Klaus that has been in production (or something) for a while. At some point Netflix got on board so whenever it comes out it'll be on there

Pick
Jul 19, 2009
Nap Ghost

Macaluso posted:

https://vimeo.com/126287950

It's a movie called Klaus that has been in production (or something) for a while. At some point Netflix got on board so whenever it comes out it'll be on there

Doppler animator spotted

Macaluso
Sep 23, 2005

I HATE THAT HEDGEHOG, BROTHER!

Pick posted:

Doppler animator spotted

I will swear by Treasure Planet on Dr Doppler's animation alone

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qK1Zn0FalvM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mIxBj0-fxhk

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.
Toy Story 4's philosophical implications actually go perfectly well with the running theme of the series using the toys for religious and philosophical metaphor.

Wheat Loaf
Feb 13, 2012

by FactsAreUseless

Macaluso posted:

It's been a long time but I could've sworn there's been at least one episode where Meowth is like I HAVE NO PLACE and Jesse and James are like NO WE LOVE U

There was one episode (way back when the Pokemon anime was doing Ash's original Pokemon journey from the Red/Blue games) where Meowth is separated from Team Rocket, ends up on a desert island where the natives treat him like a king and he's really happy until he learns that they want him to use his free money technique to bring them wealth and prosperity. He ends up in the middle of a ceremony in a big auditorium with no way to talk his way out when Jessie and James (who have been in disguise the whole time) start throwing all their money into the crowd to save his bacon.

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.

Wheat Loaf posted:

There was one episode (way back when the Pokemon anime was doing Ash's original Pokemon journey from the Red/Blue games) where Meowth is separated from Team Rocket, ends up on a desert island where the natives treat him like a king and he's really happy until he learns that they want him to use his free money technique to bring them wealth and prosperity. He ends up in the middle of a ceremony in a big auditorium with no way to talk his way out when Jessie and James (who have been in disguise the whole time) start throwing all their money into the crowd to save his bacon.

IIRC, it was actually James' bottlecap collection, at least once they (quickly) ran out of money.

Insert a Fallout joke here.

The_Doctor
Mar 29, 2007

"The entire history of this incarnation is one of temporal orbits, retcons, paradoxes, parallel time lines, reiterations, and divergences. How anyone can make head or tail of all this chaos, I don't know."
My boyfriend made me watch the Giant Pokemon Island episode last night (I’ve seen maybe 2 Pokemon episodes ever before now), and that was pretty fun. The Pokemon going all socialist (No Masters!) and then getting drunk and drowning their sorrows at a yatai was pretty funny.

Wheat Loaf
Feb 13, 2012

by FactsAreUseless

Ghost Leviathan posted:

IIRC, it was actually James' bottlecap collection, at least once they (quickly) ran out of money.

Like Céline Dion and to a lesser extent Meat Loaf, it's all coming back to me now.

The_Doctor posted:

My boyfriend made me watch the Giant Pokemon Island episode last night (I’ve seen maybe 2 Pokemon episodes ever before now), and that was pretty fun. The Pokemon going all socialist (No Masters!) and then getting drunk and drowning their sorrows at a yatai was pretty funny.

I remember that episode because I had one of those "novelisations" (96 pages max) that Tokyopop did of the anime episodes. I think it's the only time the Pokemon ever got subtitles because they had to converse with each other about getting separated from their humans. Also, what was the deal with one Pokemon running a noodle stand in the middle of the forest on the uninhabited island? :v:

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.
Pokemon's first season (so to speak) was a lot more... free-form than both the later seasons of the anime as they settled into a strict formula and the games as the setting became more well-defined. Like the episode where Gastly the ghost Pokemon made an illusionary Venustoise, and later turned out to be friends with a human ghost. (Human ghosts didn't show up in the games until later)

The_Doctor
Mar 29, 2007

"The entire history of this incarnation is one of temporal orbits, retcons, paradoxes, parallel time lines, reiterations, and divergences. How anyone can make head or tail of all this chaos, I don't know."

Wheat Loaf posted:

Also, what was the deal with one Pokemon running a noodle stand in the middle of the forest on the uninhabited island? :v:

If it wasn’t there, they couldn’t get drunk!

Avalerion
Oct 19, 2012

Wheat Loaf posted:

Also, what was the deal with one Pokemon running a noodle stand in the middle of the forest on the uninhabited island? :v:

In the end it got revealed the island was an amusement park, pokemon other than the party were animatronic attractions.

Wheat Loaf
Feb 13, 2012

by FactsAreUseless

Ghost Leviathan posted:

Pokemon's first season (so to speak) was a lot more... free-form than both the later seasons of the anime as they settled into a strict formula and the games as the setting became more well-defined. Like the episode where Gastly the ghost Pokemon made an illusionary Venustoise, and later turned out to be friends with a human ghost. (Human ghosts didn't show up in the games until later)

I've just remembered there was an episode where Ash and Pikachu straight-up died and became ghosts (and went off to play tricks to spook their friends with the ghost Pokemon) then returned to their bodies and came back to life.

Das Boo
Jun 9, 2011

There was a GHOST here.
It's gone now.
The Pokemon games have some really good hidden ghost stories in them. I think it's X/Y where you take an elevator up to a random, useless floor in a random, useless building and as you exit, your character freezes. A woman without a walking animation glides up behind you and says, "You're not the one I'm looking for." before gliding away. Then you regain control of your character like nothing ever happened. She appears twice more in the game: Once listening to an elevator, and then once in a background pan of an Elite Four cutscene. The room is constructed like an arena room, but with one empty chair for her.

It also has that weird message scrawled on the back of the bulletin board in the train station. Something like, "Wait here. I'm going for help."

Ccs
Feb 25, 2011


The glitches in Pokemon were always the freakiest things to me. Like the logic of the world was pulling off its face to reveal some horrifying monstrosity, and in exchange for enduring that you were given lots of candy.

The_Doctor
Mar 29, 2007

"The entire history of this incarnation is one of temporal orbits, retcons, paradoxes, parallel time lines, reiterations, and divergences. How anyone can make head or tail of all this chaos, I don't know."
My other half relayed Sun/Moon to me as he played it, and the Pokemon in that sounded like Lovecraftian Elder Gods. :stare:

Macaluso
Sep 23, 2005

I HATE THAT HEDGEHOG, BROTHER!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nQk7DWW4mz8

They put out another teaser, showing two more characters. I like them more than the spork thing.

Btw the initial teaser for TS4 has 5.4 million views.

Detective Pikachu? 13 million

The people have spoken Pixar. Slightly realistic Mr Mime is in, Woody and Buzz are out

Ccs
Feb 25, 2011


Key and Peel are fun but that new trailer is just cannibalizing one of their old bits

Barudak
May 7, 2007

So toy story 4 is a study into toy relations and yet i somehow dont care.

Moon Atari
Dec 26, 2010

Studio Colorido are another studio formed from the balkanisation of Ghibli. They started out funding themselves doing a commercial for McDonalds, and followed up with a bunch of shorts. Now their film Penguin Highway is in cinemas. It's not a shameless retread or commercialisation of ghibli. It is something different...and kind of weird. It is really good though. It is very well written and devoid of anime cliches, but I dont completely get it. It has either a scifi or magical realism element going on, but I couldn't really work out what it was trying to say themewise. Even so, it was enjoyable and worth checking out. A super smart but weird kid has an either weirder coming of age experience that he approaches with scientific rigor.

Ccs
Feb 25, 2011


I was recently thinking "wow the designs on this Detective Pikachu movie sure do look like the ones from this guy on Twitter" and lo and behold he was the one who worked on the movie:

https://twitter.com/Kotaku/status/1062149585966194690

Space Cadet Omoly
Jan 15, 2014

~Groovy~


Das Boo posted:

The Pokemon games have some really good hidden ghost stories in them. I think it's X/Y where you take an elevator up to a random, useless floor in a random, useless building and as you exit, your character freezes. A woman without a walking animation glides up behind you and says, "You're not the one I'm looking for." before gliding away. Then you regain control of your character like nothing ever happened. She appears twice more in the game: Once listening to an elevator, and then once in a background pan of an Elite Four cutscene. The room is constructed like an arena room, but with one empty chair for her.

It also has that weird message scrawled on the back of the bulletin board in the train station. Something like, "Wait here. I'm going for help."

The ghost in the elite four is different from the elevator ghost, there's just a lot of ghost haunting about.

Ccs posted:

I was recently thinking "wow the designs on this Detective Pikachu movie sure do look like the ones from this guy on Twitter" and lo and behold he was the one who worked on the movie:

https://twitter.com/Kotaku/status/1062149585966194690

That's awesome! It's nice to see talented artist have success.

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Senior Scarybagels
Jan 6, 2011

nom nom
Grimey Drawer
I just watched the Grinch. The Grinch while not as good as the original did feature a lot of good in it. The pathos given to the grinch explains his action but at the same time it kind of vilifies the whos, but the Grinch's desire to take down Christmas this year was his own choice, not really thrust upon him by the villified whos. The Whos shown were generally friendly though a roving mob of christian Whos seem to want to hunt down the Grinch and sing God Rest Ye Merry Gentlemen to him. He also is generally shown to have a compassionate side, especially towards Max and most other animals, making him a bit more complex. Benedict Cumberbatch's voice acting while a bit off putting, does give the character more personality, compared to Boris Karloff's original who was just a straight curmudgeon.

However the movie has a lot of faults. The Grinch is not really curmudgeony enough to really be called a Grinch. I am not really a fan of Grinch being a mad scientist like both movies make him out to be. The use of modern music (Like Run DMC) is off putting. Loose ends are not fixed. Even after the side story conclusion things are left at the status quo for the mother.

All in all its not a bad film. It's certainly more heart felt than the Jim Carrey movie and less overacted. I would definitely put this in a Christmas movie rotation.

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