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RaySmuckles posted:fox news was a boycott because of that dude's house getting broken into i think I see you've completely dispensed with even pretending to prevaricate around the facts. They knocked on the door and left a placard.
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RaySmuckles posted:dude i'm not commenting on the event, just what i'd heard the boycott was for I'm just repeating things that are provably false because they support my point you guys
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eke out posted:it's weird how you keep repeating right wing talking points by accident cool, i'm a socialist tho
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RaySmuckles posted:dude i'm not commenting on the event, just what i'd heard the boycott was for well, you did comment on the event, just hopelessly inaccurately and regurgitating a bullshit line from Tucker Carlson in doing so not worth investigating how that happened any closer, imo
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Jaxyon posted:Hahaha you thought Trump was going to overturn something that gets him money/saves him money? you can't really overturn citizen's united through legislation, it's an opinion about what the constitution allows for not just some statutory interpretation
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RaySmuckles posted:cool, i'm a socialist tho Then stop repeating right wing talking points 
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Radish posted:Especially since it seems like it was all a show anyway and the locations had been preselected way earlier than this gross contest implied. Yeah NYC and NoVa were the obvious picks from the start. NYC's the biggest city on the east coast and NoVA puts Amazon close to the AWS server farm out in Herndon, WaPo, and the government in general. It pisses me off that you had a whole bunch of dying midwestern towns absolutely throwing themselves at Amazon and offering them no taxes forever sorts of deals. It reminded me of how disgusting sport team stadium deals are.
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RaySmuckles posted:fox news was a boycott because of that dude's house getting broken into i think If there was any more doubt of your willingness to carry water for fascists, lol
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It was announced today that Nashville is getting 5k corporate Amazon jobs, so that’s cool and good for the city.
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typically when i end a sentence with "i think" its a sort of non-committal acknowledgement that i'm not posting something i think of as "a hard truth;" more like second-hand knowledge i generally use that principle when reading other peoples' posts too you guys can feel free to use that too like do you think i'm gonna feel bad that you idiots are misperceiving me as some sort of fascist enabler? lol
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haveblue posted:That's the great thing about the Trump administration, we're finally getting binding precedent on the parts of the government that have up until now merely adhered to the tradition that the people involved aren't giant pissy assholes. Yeah, realistically (and speaking in general, not just as wrt journalism) we now need all laws to get much more explicit just to deal with the fact that an entire branch of government now has a policy of never operating in good faith. It’s the laws vs. men conflict distilled to textbook form. Because not only is the aristocrat in charge a tyrant, or a traitor, or corrupt/incompetent, but we really hit the trifecta. yronic heroism fucked around with this message at 19:12 on Nov 13, 2018 |
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Demon Of The Fall posted:It was announced today that Nashville is getting 5k corporate Amazon jobs, so that’s cool and good for the city. Much needed in the state of TN too. TN and the brain drain for lack of white collar jobs is real.
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Lol Papadopolous tried to raise $250,000 via gofund me. Over the last 4 months he has raised $14,000
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https://twitter.com/NateSilver538/status/1062340665785417728Party Plane Jones posted:
Going to crosspost my compilation of Ben Garrison's endorsements:  52.2% - 45.8% 55.6% - 42.8% 59.9% - 41.2% 50.1% - 47% 70.1% - 29.9% 60.3% - 3.4%Bonus: https://twitter.com/grrrgraphics/status/937691156359520256 RaySmuckles posted:do you all remember when obama was going to revoke Fox News' white house press pass? 
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Fritz Coldcockin posted:How the hell is Aslan so stupid as to think that Republicans care about expanding voting rights? Has he been paying attention? This is what happens when you huff Trump brand hair spray
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RaySmuckles posted:typically when i end a sentence with "i think" its a sort of non-committal acknowledgement that i'm not posting something i think of as "a hard truth;" more like second-hand knowledge hi y'all, it's me, the savvy socialist media consumer. who else thinks hunting down the antifa thugs that thermited Tucker Carlson's house with flying vivisection drones is bae?
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Blitz7x posted:I must be crazy. I remember distinctly that overturning Citizens United being both Hillary and Trump's platforms and thinking "well at least that piece of poo poo is going to be gone no matter what" Trump is acting in bad faith. He will say whatever helps himself the most, then do whatever helps himself the most. Even if they're contradictory. Saying he will end Citizens United wins him votes, then not actually getting rid of it wins him money. So, he hasn't "backpedaled" so much as he's just made statements he has absolutely no intention of following up on because following up isn't in his personal best interest. Everything he says and does must be viewed in the light of him being a bad faith actor and a liar.
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cr0y posted:https://twitter.com/GeorgePapa19/status/1062354632477835264?s=19 Two weeks. This is over a prison sentence of TWO WEEKS.
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Main Paineframe posted:Presumably, if the press had reacted less strongly, it would have become a trend. It's rare to see such a pure, crystalline form of a logical fallacy in the wild.
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RaySmuckles posted:typically when i end a sentence with "i think" its a sort of non-committal acknowledgement that i'm not posting something i think of as "a hard truth;" more like second-hand knowledge
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RaySmuckles posted:like do you think i'm gonna feel bad that you idiots are misperceiving me as some sort of fascist enabler? lol I don't think you have any place telling other people they are "misperceiving" things.
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eke out posted:it's weird how you keep repeating right wing talking points by accident Tucker's allegations got like ten times as much mainstream media coverage as both the protesters' response and the actual police reports proving he lied had gotten, so it's not terribly shocking that some people didn't get the memo.
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Getting blocked by that Nazi shitstain makes me proud.
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RaySmuckles posted:typically when i end a sentence with "i think" its a sort of non-committal acknowledgement that i'm not posting something i think of as "a hard truth;" more like second-hand knowledge Accepting and disseminating the fascists’ version of reality - apparently not enabling fascism.
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For all the bickering in this thread this screams political theater to me: AOC gets continued exposure as a firebrand, fires up the base by protesting and furthermore making the progressive wing feel like they "won" something. Pelosi gets to signal she's willing to be dragged along with the progressive agenda, perhaps mellowing her opposition from the left without alienating her centrist allies. No one is going to buy Pelosi waking up one morning and being Bernie Sanders, she's alienate the center and the left won't believe her... let AOC play troublemaker and it gives Pelosi cover and invests in the profile of an up and comer... all at the expensive of conceding something she already supported.
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SocketWrench posted:The one guy that doesn't take Trump's bullshit lies at face value and sits down and shuts up. "He's just a bully" This was in response to a person asking why *I* specifically did not like him. It was a personal judgment and it predates Trump.
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Crow Jane posted:Apparently it was out of solidarity with poor persecuted Tucker Carlson, in some rear end-backwards kind of way This is somehow more embarrassing than being tangled up in federal investigations
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Jarmak posted:For all the bickering in this thread this screams political theater to me: Yup, pure political theater. The Dems need to do it more often.
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edit: Ah, didn't see LK's post about this conversation ending until after making this post!Kimsemus posted:The only difference between Anderson Cooper and any Fox News talking head is network affiliation. I'm an MSNBC guy myself, but I think you're a dipshit if you view ANY cable news network and don't immediately take it with a grain of salt. If you want the news, check out Reuters or the AP. Anything else is news entertainment and you're a stupid moron if you think CNN is somehow better for it. Even Reuters/the AP aren't exactly "objective/unbiased" (since such a thing isn't possible in the first place - there's always going to be an inherent bias to stuff like how frequently or rarely your report on certain topics, the language you use, etc). It's just important that people always be aware of what the ideological slant might be of the organizations in question (and for most organizations widely perceived as more "objective," the slant is either a pro-status quo one and/or a partisan Democratic one). You can simultaneously acknowledge this and still think FOX News is worse, simply because the ideology it reflects is worse, but given the ideology reflected by CNN/MSNBC/WaPo/NYTimes/etc is also pretty bad* there's not really some fundamental distinction there that makes those things "news" in a way FOX isn't. ALL OF THIS BEING SAID, I think it's okay to exclude FOX, but the reason it's okay isn't because FOX is propaganda (since that's a trait shared by other news organizations as well). It's okay just because FOX reflects very noxious ideology. While one can argue that it's dangerous to allow press organizations to be excluded like that, that's basically already the case under the status quo - there's not infinite access and only major organizations (which mostly share a bunch of the same ideology) have access, so press is already being excluded. So there's always going to be bias inherent to who is allowed to take some of the administration's limited time to ask questions, etc. Under these circumstances, you may as well push against those whose ideology you think is harmful having this access (and for those who you agree with). * One needs only look back to the prelude to the Iraq War to realize that those other organizations also function as propaganda Ytlaya fucked around with this message at 19:37 on Nov 13, 2018 |
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skylined! posted:Accepting and disseminating the fascists’ version of reality - apparently not enabling fascism. i wouldn't go so far as "accepting" though i suppose there is a valid critique of disseminating i just assume everything i hear from the right is some sort of trumped up lie so when i repost what i think they said, its under of the pretense of "this is what they said" but hey, this isn't c-spam and y'all don't know me so i guess that's my bad for assuming RaySmuckles fucked around with this message at 19:24 on Nov 13, 2018 |
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Pollyanna posted:Lemme guess - Pelosi is going to use this as an excuse to shut AOC out of any future party activities and/or screw her over? I know you desperately want to prove you’re being persecuted by mainstream Democrats, but it’s more likely Pelosi coordinated this whole thing with AOC than that she’s sharpening knives to stab her with Edit: or, y’know, what Jarmak said. This thread moves faster than I can type skeleton warrior fucked around with this message at 19:23 on Nov 13, 2018 |
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skeleton warrior posted:I know you desperately want to prove you’re being persecuted by mainstream Democrats, but it’s more likely Pelosi coordinated this whole thing with AOC than that she’s sharpening knives to stab her with agreed, AOC wouldn't just stroll into another congressperson's office and show them up without some sort of tacit permission. certainly not the potential future speaker's, unless she was really really awesome
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Chimp_On_Stilts posted:Trump is acting in bad faith. A good article on this, though kinda already known to the folks posting in this thread https://theconcourse.deadspin.com/this-is-all-donald-trump-has-left-1830329753
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skeleton warrior posted:I know you desperately want to prove you’re being persecuted by mainstream Democrats, but it’s more likely Pelosi coordinated this whole thing with AOC than that she’s sharpening knives to stab her with It’s kind of amazing how many goons believe political theatre is gospel with the ferver of any Boomer grandma on Facebook.
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Ytlaya posted:Even Reuters/the AP aren't exactly "objective/unbiased" (since such a thing isn't possible in the first place - there's always going to be an inherent bias to stuff like how frequently or rarely your report on certain topics, the language you use, etc). It's just important that people always be aware of what the ideological slant might be of the organizations in question (and for most organizations widely perceived as more "objective," the slant is either a pro-status quo one and/or a partisan Democratic one). You can simultaneously acknowledge this and still think FOX News is worse, simply because the ideology it reflects is worse, but given the ideology reflected by CNN/MSNBC/WaPo/NYTimes/etc is also pretty bad* there's not really some fundamental distinction there that makes those things "news" in a way FOX isn't. i worry about ideological critique because what happens when the other side has the power to use it against me and the people i support? i wouldn't want to see "imaginary popular socialist network" get barred from things for ideological reasons either.
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RaySmuckles posted:fox news was a boycott because of that dude's house getting broken into i think By all means keep posting more lies. It's fine, everything is the same and nothing matters! EDIT: this is such an amazing example of someone who plays language games and just keeps doubling down rather than admit they posted falsehoods "I didn't say I believed the lie 100% before spreading it!" Unzip and Attack fucked around with this message at 19:29 on Nov 13, 2018 |
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https://twitter.com/marceelias/status/1062388112188416004 Rick Scott withdraws his lawsuit after getting slapped around by a judge yesterday
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Unzip and Attack posted:By all means keep posting more lies. It's fine, everything is the same and nothing matters! chill out, man are you one of those "nothingmatters" posters i keep hearing about? no wonder people are so fed up with you people (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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RaySmuckles posted:typically when i end a sentence with "i think" its a sort of non-committal acknowledgement that i'm not posting something i think of as "a hard truth;" more like second-hand knowledge Honestly as the newer inductee to this horse poo poo, if you'd been anything but a liar and goalpost moving bitch through the last few pages, I might buy your excuse. Given the track record though, "I think" is just a way to cover your rear end when the thread tries to beat you silly again
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