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Diet Crack posted:This is pretty much true of anything to do with living a normal life in this day and age. e: 1222 is when Scotland adopted the red lion on yellow flag that isn't the current flag. Guavanaut fucked around with this message at 00:29 on Nov 15, 2018 |
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Regarde Aduck posted:If you're in the position to start a new life in Australia I don't think you're doing too bad. Or Canada. Tsaedje posted:Presumably this is a vote of confidence of the Tory party in Thersea May, which will just pass because the majority of Tory MPs don't want a leadership contest with a month to go before Christmas and no Brexit agreement Yeah I'm guessing nobody still wants the lovely stick.
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Nov 15, 2018 00:25
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Nov 15, 2018 00:25
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goddamnedtwisto posted:https://twitter.com/Peston/status/1062831927231741953 Someone should keep a running total of the number of times each journalist has "reported" this in the last year. You'd think they'd at least be a little self aware about it by now, but apparently not
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Nov 15, 2018 00:27
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Regarde Aduck posted:If you're in the position to start a new life in Australia I don't think you're doing too bad. See, thing is, I came back home to earn good money because there were gently caress all jobs available in my trade when I left. Damned if I do, damned if I don't.
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Nov 15, 2018 00:27
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Lol this is literally their twitter bio. quote:“Tyranny is the deliberate removal of nuance.” Albert Maysles.
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Nov 15, 2018 00:29
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Prediction time.
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Nov 15, 2018 00:30
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Saw some speculative numbers on ITV news (wasn't listening just saw in the background) something like for TM's agreement looks like 234 and against 370 something.
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Nov 15, 2018 00:33
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If May had her druthers, or even a single druther, she'd have got out ahead of this by saying "Given the severe gravity of this legislation and the consequences of exiting the EU, it is only right that we provide a briefing to our counterparts in the Labour Party." and then she can yell at anyone who criticises her over it for putting partisanship ahead of the national good or whatever. Instead she's managed to make it as transparent as the void of loving space that she's desperate for Labour's votes because she must be well short of what she needs with her own party. lol.
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Nov 15, 2018 00:33
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Sadsack posted:Prediction time. sounds about right tbh and we end up with the most pointless of soft Brexits just so she can say 'look I did a Brexit'
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Nov 15, 2018 00:34
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It's a shame more people don't rub their kids nose in it when they do their first unassisted poo poo.
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Nov 15, 2018 00:35
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So... is it likely that there could be a vote of no confidence against May? Are the brexiteers mad enough?
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Nov 15, 2018 00:35
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She's drutherproof.
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Nov 15, 2018 00:35
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Lightning Knight posted:So... is it likely that there could be a vote of no confidence against May? Are the brexiteers mad enough? Who loving knows, this is all so transparent. The public know all the facts.
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Nov 15, 2018 00:37
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Jaeluni Asjil posted:Saw some speculative numbers on ITV news (wasn't listening just saw in the background) something like for TM's agreement looks like 234 and against 370 something. Bravado. Most of the Cabinet hated it but they voted to accept it anyway. With the exception of JRM and his crew, I wouldn't be surprised if May got her majority.
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Nov 15, 2018 00:41
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Ms Adequate posted:If May had her druthers, or even a single druther, she'd have got out ahead of this by saying "Given the severe gravity of this legislation and the consequences of exiting the EU, it is only right that we provide a briefing to our counterparts in the Labour Party." and then she can yell at anyone who criticises her over it for putting partisanship ahead of the national good or whatever. Any attempt at bipartisanship shows that Labour aren't dangerously incapable of governing, which she can never do.
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Nov 15, 2018 00:41
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Lightning Knight posted:So... is it likely that there could be a vote of no confidence against May? Are the brexiteers mad enough? I don't think so, they'll probably close ranks again. They can gnash and wail their teeth, but I reckon they'll push it through with gritted teeth. It is objectively better than no deal, and they probably reckon they could ride a wave of 'crisis averted' and resume pretending they're the natural party of government
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Nov 15, 2018 00:42
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Lightning Knight posted:So... is it likely that there could be a vote of no confidence against May? Are the brexiteers mad enough? maybe. it would be a bad idea though, because she probably survives it and then they've blown their chance
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Nov 15, 2018 00:42
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There's no way this passes, lol if you think the DUP won't call a No Confidence and help vote this government out if they try and get it all the way through the commons. The Brexit Rebels might be cowards but the DUP aren't going to sacrifice the entire reason for their party existing just to help prop up this government.
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Nov 15, 2018 00:42
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Lightning Knight posted:So... is it likely that there could be a vote of no confidence against May? Are the brexiteers mad enough? God, it's hard to know for sure, there are more than the required number in the ERG, but they've also talked the talk but refused to do anything many times in the last year. Ultimately the only one who knows is Graham Brady. Problem is that if they challenge May and she wins the no-confidence vote she can't be challenged for a year. If I had to bet on it, if you put a gun to my head I'd say they won't have the numbers.
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Nov 15, 2018 00:44
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My hot take prediction is that the DUP vote against but it's carried because the Lib Dems decide to "act in the national interest" and vote it through
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Nov 15, 2018 00:44
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I read the backstop section of the agreement and it's hilariously messed up. If no solution is found to the hard border situation before 2021, NI and the UK enter a joint 'single customs territory', bound to EU custom rules. So the UK can't make trade deals with anyone else or have any say on what those rules are, or even end the backstop without agreement from the EU.  It's almost as if this whole Brexit thing is a poorly thought out huge waste of time 🤔
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Nov 15, 2018 00:45
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Lightning Knight posted:So... is it likely that there could be a vote of no confidence against May? Are the brexiteers mad enough? Until they actually pull the trigger, who knows. They've been threatening her with it for a while now, but have been too spineless to go through with it.
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Nov 15, 2018 00:48
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Fans posted:The Brexit Rebels might be cowards but the DUP aren't going to sacrifice the entire reason for their party existing just to help prop up this government. Need some new light bulbs for the border scanners for a cool hundred mil or two, that kind of thing. Plus ofc the potential benefits of a customs DMZ for people opening up offices in NI to keep trading simple with the EU etc. They'll probably pretend to be narked about this for a while though for sure.
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Nov 15, 2018 00:49
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Fans posted:There's no way this passes, lol if you think the DUP won't call a No Confidence and help vote this government out if they try and get it all the way through the commons. Someone whose family is mostly DUP voters, it has been jaw-dropping these last couple of years to see just how little understanding the tories had of what the DUP is. They are the very worst kind of mobsters you can possibly imagine
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Nov 15, 2018 00:52
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MikeCrotch posted:My hot take prediction is that the DUP vote against but it's carried because the Lib Dems decide to "act in the national interest" and vote it through Are we seriously down to the point of "rely on the Lib Dems to do ANYTHING"? God, we're even more hosed than I realized.
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Nov 15, 2018 00:52
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jBrereton posted:They already got a couple billion extra quid to hand out to their mates and no trials over RHI, plus no change in their provincial abortion laws, seems like they're doing quite well out of the arrangement and could quite easily keep tapping the government up for cash forever? This is the DUP's entire reason for existing. There is zero, zero chance they vote for this Brexit deal.
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Nov 15, 2018 00:53
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Gyro Zeppeli posted:Are we seriously down to the point of "rely on the Lib Dems to do ANYTHING"? God, we're even more hosed than I realized. I mean I don't want this deal to pass so
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Nov 15, 2018 00:54
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MikeCrotch posted:This is the DUP's entire reason for existing. There is zero, zero chance they vote for this Brexit deal.
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Nov 15, 2018 00:55
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jBrereton posted:They already got a couple billion extra quid to hand out to their mates and no trials over RHI, plus no change in their provincial abortion laws, seems like they're doing quite well out of the arrangement and could quite easily keep tapping the government up for cash forever? And if the DUP were purely motivated by cash this would make sense but they're not. You're really underestimating how hardline they are on their Unionist views.
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crispix posted:Someone whose family is mostly DUP voters, it has been jaw-dropping these last couple of years to see just how little understanding the tories had of what the DUP is. They are the very worst kind of mobsters you can possibly imagine Do not underestimate my imagination.
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Nov 15, 2018 00:58
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MikeCrotch posted:I mean I don't want this deal to pass so I mean, again, I'm an absolute dope when it comes to things like this, but when the rest of the thread are talking about hoarding food if there's no deal, I feel like I should be hoping this deal passes.
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Nov 15, 2018 00:58
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Niric posted:Someone should keep a running total of the number of times each journalist has "reported" this in the last year. You'd think they'd at least be a little self aware about it by now, but apparently not They don't care, it's plotline fuel. Person says thing! Wow! *later* not thing after all, what a twist! "Jeremy Corbyn is going to force the no deal brexit he craves on us #FBPE #BackTheresa"
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Nov 15, 2018 00:59
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Fans posted:And if the DUP were purely motivated by cash this would make sense but they're not. You're really underestimating how hardline they are on their Unionist views.
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Nov 15, 2018 01:00
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Gyro Zeppeli posted:Are we seriously down to the point of "rely on the Lib Dems to do ANYTHING"? God, we're even more hosed than I realized. I doubt it'll come to that. Based on Corbyn's reaction Labour will whip against and although I'm sure there'll be some rebels, the big issue is tory hard brexiteers. There's no official membership list of the European Research Group but in February the letter from them to May gained 62 signatures from backbenchers. Even if a chunk of them fall in line it's still enough noes to kill the deal. May needs Labour's support for this to get through parliament.
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Nov 15, 2018 01:03
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gently caress the meme game on that Corbyn tweet is brutal https://twitter.com/SPD2212/status/1062844275854053377
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Nov 15, 2018 01:03
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No, I'm SpartacusshieldknifehashtagFBPE
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Nov 15, 2018 01:06
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Guavanaut posted:No, I'm SpartacusshieldknifehashtagFBPE It's almost sad that they've spent time and precious mental effort coming up with a withering Twitter handle that'll show all those Corbynites just how empty their idol's politics are... and they just end up looking like twats making sub-South Park jokes.
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Nov 15, 2018 01:14
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The secretary for the local Labour branch came round today to ask if I'd be attending the voting for our new councillor and seemed mildly disapproving that I'd missed the shortlisting meeting. I didn't know joining Labour would lead to these sorts of interruptions in my dinner or I might not have bothered!
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I don't like to blow my own trumpet but me calling that spartacus clown a "loving cretin" on twitter was deemed worthy of a 24 hour lock, while calling Boris Johnson a racist cretin was only worthy of a 12 hour lock
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