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Your Taint posted:Nothing Trump does is good, even accidentally, so please tell me why this criminal justice reform bill is bad. This was one of the pieces of legislation for which Progressive Punch rated Beto poorly for his backing, and all I could think of is that it was because the Dem caucus was opposed to it for some reason. Other mystifying "he's bad" scores came from their holding it against him that he voted for medicaid recipients to be provided residential treatment for substance abuse, and for health savings accounts used to cover non-prescription, OTC medical stuff, like menstrual products, as was the case prior to the ACA being passed. (The ACA highly narrowed how and for what HSAs could be used, prolly as a budget offset for those hundreds of billions of dollars that the Act funnels to private insurers.)
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Yeowch!!! My Balls!!! posted:by which of course we mean stop remembering that thing that we confirmed happened, in favor of the story we'd prefer to tell about how our friend Obama would never have signed away any hope of it happening Well thats a far better source than what VS posted and actually lays poo poo out. There are still weird things in there (like it claims Baucus said he would vote for a public option when he was on the record against it) and I'm not sure if they could have passed the public option via reconciliation, it actually goes into decent detail. Though I'm annoyed that he frequently sources himself on MSNBC for the article, but doesn't actually have clips (though I guess that makes sense for 2010) Thanks The Glumslinger fucked around with this message at 01:52 on Nov 15, 2018 |
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https://twitter.com/andrewperezdc/status/1062862729915101184 joe manchin should be in a sewer
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Yeowch!!! My Balls!!! posted:by which of course we mean stop remembering that thing that we confirmed happened, in favor of the story we'd prefer to tell about how our friend Obama would never have signed away any hope of it happening What does this have to do with Pelosi? The accusation was that Pelosi killed the public option, which is 100% false.
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Nov 15, 2018 01:52
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Avenatti might literally have Wohl wacked if this is indeed a frame job by him. So that’ll be nice.
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CuddleCryptid posted:That's a pretty glaring difference, TMZ. The big question is who leaked this to them, I guess. It's not like they would have someone constantly phoning up the cops to see who got arrested that day. This is absolutely a thing they do. They routinely pay off cops, nurses and EMTs in exchange for tips, monitor court record filings etc Do you... Not know anything about TMZ? They are considered scum by other paparazzi, let that sink in. Oh and of course dude who owns it is a chud
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Condiv posted:https://twitter.com/andrewperezdc/status/1062862729915101184 Putting Bernie Sanders in charge of voter outreach is not a bad idea, but Manchin should be in charge of exactly jack poo poo. Schumer is so useless god drat.
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PhazonLink posted:TMZ and like all rags are all regressive chuds. I wouldn't even call it malicious as much as utterly incompetent. They probably jumped on a lead that went nowhere because who the gently caress leaks to TMZ Koalas Massacre posted:This is absolutely a thing they do. They routinely pay off cops, nurses and EMTs in exchange for tips, monitor court record filings etc I had not realized they were that incredibly scummy, I thought they just had scores of people chasing celebrities. Makes sense tho
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They aren't arresting a guy because Jacob Wohl filed a false report out of nowhere. It's likely another woman and TMZ just hosed up and assumed it was his ex-wife.
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Condiv posted:https://twitter.com/andrewperezdc/status/1062862729915101184 WV is a sewer dude. Just a really, really old one.
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Bots on twitter are really pushing the domestic violence towards the estranged wife storyline. Even with the retraction by TMZ, most posts are calling him a wife beater or names his wife as the accuser.
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Condiv posted:https://twitter.com/andrewperezdc/status/1062862729915101184 Okay if this is true I'm all onboard the dems bad train, what the hell. Thread ... good?
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Just about the only thing from TMZ where I raise an eyebrow and think "huh, that is probably true", is MMA-related news on TMZ sports. And thats only because Dana White loves giving TMZ news tips for some loving stupid reason. On literally any other topic, I wait for confirmation from someone else. Maybe celebrity deaths too, they've been right fairly often about that.
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Rigel posted:What does this have to do with Pelosi? The accusation was that Pelosi killed the public option, which is 100% false. the public option was traded away, with the full knowledge and acceptance of democratic leadership, well before any bill made it to the House. you were presented with a kabuki play and expected to unquestioningly buy it when you were told "for, uh, reasons, we've decided it's just not worth it to even try this." pelosi got the "jingle your keys in front of their faces and hope they're too stupid to ask questions" part of the deal. to her credit, she's the only part of dem leadership who delivered what she was asked to deliver, and as such the fact that she alone managed to evade career-ending consequences makes a certain degree of sense.
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TulliusCicero posted:Putting Bernie Sanders in charge of voter outreach is not a bad idea, but Manchin should be in charge of exactly jack poo poo. in exchange for his fine work voting for kavanaugh and hating on black lives matter, i'd put him in charge of cleaning the congressional toilets
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Hey so just to confirm, we should be getting the final results for FL by tomorrow, right?
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Condiv posted:https://twitter.com/andrewperezdc/status/1062862729915101184
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Niwrad posted:They aren't arresting a guy because Jacob Wohl filed a false report out of nowhere. It's likely another woman and TMZ just hosed up and assumed it was his ex-wife. Wohl is probably just taking credit because he's a stupid poo poo who thinks he's a puppetmaster. But if he's not, then this is going to burn him even more than he's already been burned. I'm going to stick with "Avanatti is probably as much of a poo poo as we all thought he was" unless actual reporters pick at this a bit and the whole thing falls apart.
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Mr Interweb posted:Hey so just to confirm, we should be getting the final results for FL by tomorrow, right? Definitely not. Tomorrow's the machine recount deadline, not the hand recount deadline (prior to any judgments extending the deadlines, which dems are requesting)
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VitalSigns posted:No she didn't, the House bill included a public option. When I was reading how the public option never got past the Finance Committee when it hit the Senate (as opposed to The Great Lie that it was Lieberman's fault for singlehandedly killing it), I was struck by the fact that the House public option was the ability to purchase Medicare--but without any subsidies to consumers as were given to private insurers.
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Random Stranger posted:Wohl is probably just taking credit because he's a stupid poo poo who thinks he's a puppetmaster. But if he's not, then this is going to burn him even more than he's already been burned. Yeah, he's a con artist who wants people to think he's more than some 20 year old working off a laptop in his parents basement. And he's not burned. The feds won't do poo poo about his bullshit stunt.
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Have another "Trump is super angry and pissy because there wasn't a red wave" story https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/1062874244592386048
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Condiv posted:https://twitter.com/andrewperezdc/status/1062862729915101184 Its like if MSNBC was in charge of casting an Odd Couple remake
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Yeowch!!! My Balls!!! posted:the public option was traded away, with the full knowledge and acceptance of democratic leadership, well before any bill made it to the House. you were presented with a kabuki play and expected to unquestioningly buy it when you were told "for, uh, reasons, we've decided it's just not worth it to even try this." This is revisionist history horseshit as far as the house was concerned. Who knows what would have happened in conference committee, but the plan was to pass the public option in the house and then hash it out in conference. Then the Senate shockingly lost a senator and went to 59. They were not yet willing to get rid of the filibuster, so they bluntly told the house "we can't pass anything but what we already passed", so they handed what was supposed to be their opening position in a negotiation to the house and forced them to choke on it. If you want to yell at Obama for being naive or too moderate, or if you want to yell at the Senate for decorum, fine but Pelosi is blameless.
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The Glumslinger posted:Have another "Trump is super angry and pissy because there wasn't a red wave" story God willing he’ll have a brain aneurysm.i think we’re getting close.
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Random Stranger posted:Wohl is probably just taking credit because he's a stupid poo poo who thinks he's a puppetmaster. But if he's not, then this is going to burn him even more than he's already been burned. We should just do what we should always do. Verify the claims, and if they turn out true the punish him. If they turn out to be fabricated then gather up the members of the conspiracy and drown them in a bucket of piss
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TulliusCicero posted:Putting Bernie Sanders in charge of voter outreach is not a bad idea, but Manchin should be in charge of exactly jack poo poo. Unfortunately that Facebook story posted upthread shows he can very useful in the worst ways.
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With Avanetti's ex-wife basically outraged over this, I wouldn't be surprised if Wohl was part of this.
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:God willing he’ll have a brain aneurysm.i think we’re getting close. Someone needs to tabulate how many weeks now have been described as "one of the most turbulent weeks of his presidency".
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Rigel posted:This is revisionist history horseshit as far as the house was concerned. Who knows what would have happened in conference committee, but the plan was to pass the public option in the house and then hash it out in conference. did you click the link, Rigel. you really ought to click the link, next time. the plan, explicitly, well before the House ever had a bill, was "we don't try to pass a public option, and in exchange, the health insurance industry defends the bill." what a brilliant strategy that was, eh? surely, there was no way that insurance companies would renege on their part of the program instantly
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i don't know much about Marcia Fudge, but it looks like she's a bad choice that the blue dog types are pushing ie: apparently one of four democrats total - her, Dan Lipinski, Manchin, and Donnelly - to oppose the Equality Act, which is LGBQT nondiscrimination legislation https://twitter.com/costareports/status/1062873752730517506
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TulliusCicero posted:Super Delegates are inherently undemocratic loving garbage, and I'm glad that poo poo is gone. As I recall from the brouhaha over supers in 2016, most of the CBC non-pol supers and the PACs they rode in on were corporate lobbyists who helped fund the caucus.
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lizardman posted:Someone needs to tabulate how many weeks now have been described as "one of the most turbulent weeks of his presidency". Never been more angry and isolated....
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Yeowch!!! My Balls!!! posted:did you click the link, Rigel. surely you can find someone more legit sounding than this lol quote:Miles Mogulescu (miles_mogulescu@yahoo.com) is an entertainment attorney/business affairs executive, producer, political activist, and writer who has one of the earliest contributors to The Huffington Post, writing hundreds of pieces since 2006. Professionally, he is a former Senior V.P. at MGM. He has recently represented the production, financing and distribution of such films as the Oscar-winning “Whiplash”, “Nightcrawler” starring Jake Gyllenhaal, and “Drive” starring Ryan Gosling, and negotiated the terms of a new company with director Robert Rodriquez to produce and finance a slate of films. He has been a lifelong progressive since the age of 12 when his father helped raise money for Dr. Martin Luther King, who was a guest in his home several times. He will never forget the impression which that extraordinary man made on him, which helped lead to a lifelong commitment to social justice. As a college student, he organized sit-ins and other protests at the University of Chicago. More recently, he organized a program on single payer healthcare at the Take Back America Conference, a 2-day conference on Money in Politics at UCLA Law School, and “Made in Cuba”, the largest exhibition of contemporary Cuban art ever held in Southern California. He co-produced and co-directed Union Maids, a film about 3 women union organizers in Chicago in the 1930s and '40s, which was nominated for an Academy Award for Best Feature Documentary. He also produced “Montana” for HBO based on an original screenplay by Pulitzer Prize-winning writer Larry McMurtry. At the time of the Gulf War, he and music executive Danny Goldberg produced a super-star music video with new lyrics to Give Peace a Chance written by Lenny Kravitz, Yoko Ono, and John Lennon's son, Sean.
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https://twitter.com/JacobAWohl/status/1062871856481366016 It would make sense if after Jacob's dumb plan failed and he faces no consequences for it, he decides to try something different. He takes inspiration from the White House accusing Jim Acosta of assault and thinks it'll work this time because he is very stupid. CuddleCryptid posted:We should just do what we should always do. Verify the claims, and if they turn out true the punish him. If they turn out to be fabricated then gather up the members of the conspiracy and drown them in a bucket of piss
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Levitate posted:Wasn't all of that crap to get Joe Liberman's vote because he was a complete non starter on basically progressive part of the ACA and they required his vote to get it passed? No. It was because Obama had made secret deals with the drug & hospital industries to preclude a public option in the ACA. Hence the Senate Finance Committee killing it pre-birth; it never made it to the Senate floor.
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