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GoluboiOgon posted:the point isn't that insurance companies gouge companies as much as individuals (who only pay ~20% of the premium incidentally in employer based plans), the point is that prices are rising out of control for both employer-provided insurance and the individual plans, and that obamacare didn't stop this problem. But the chart you linked is clearly trying to say that ACA increased individual premiums by 250%, which it did not. ACA has a couple things to try and control medical trend such as ACOs and BPCI, but I'll agree with you that is not something it does well.
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theflyingorc posted:Last chart i saw showed the rate of cost increase went down after the ACA passed Do you know why "the rate of cost increase" has gone down? (Actually, it's the "slowing the growth" of per-capita medical spending.) Because people are spurning seeking medical care due to out-of-pocket costs, even when they have insurance, and even when they've discovered that they're seriously ill. Hey, I bet if insurance policies came with $50,000/year deductibles, "bending the cost curve" would be even more successful! Willa Rogers fucked around with this message at 18:09 on Nov 15, 2018 |
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Tibalt posted:The most effective way to reduce per-capita healthcare spending would be the systematic elimination of smokers, the elderly, and the disabled, so maybe don't use increasing or decreasing per-capita costs as your sole metric jesus christ This is an outrageous lie but sure why not.  Norway, well known for its death panels systematically eliminating smokers, the elderly, and the disabled. Yep that's the country killing people to reduce health care costs, not America right.
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Losing your job to...own the libs? https://twitter.com/AntiFashGordon/status/1062013328573296640 quote:Comcast on Wednesday fired Andrew Kovalic, a 10-year employee who earlier this week became the target of a viral petition alleging that he is a member of a hate group. The petition that called for Kovalic’s termination, which had garnered 373 signatures by Wednesday morning, was created and sponsored by the Philadelphia-based nonprofit Media Mobilizing Project, which often scrutinizes media and telecommunications companies like Comcast.
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GoluboiOgon posted:inflation rose ~30% 1999-2011, it was a minor contributor to that graph. I'm telling you given our aging population, our specific healthcare issues, the level of quality we provide, and a variety of other factors there's not a feasible or viable way to SHRINK healthcare costs in this country that would not be extremely unpopular. Either the quality of healthcare will go down, or people will have to be denied access to care based on age and health conditions, or we will have to subsidize the care heavily. The money has to come from somewhere. Even just getting private industry out of the business entirely is going to cost us thousands of good paying jobs (which as you know are not in good supply right now) and will make many people very unhappy. But even that alone is not enough to SHRINK costs. It may be enough to reduce future cost increases but the factors that contribute to current costs are so many that shrinking costs may as well be a fever dream. To actually touch costs without denying people coverage beyond certain expense points and conditions we need to actually change the entire way healthcare education works in this country and allow Doctors and Healthcare professionals to complete their training in a much shorter period of time. Doing that will increase the number of workers which will decrease wages, which will make current Doctors unhappy, but it will also allow prices to go lower. The side effect would be that the quality of treatment would also go down. Health care is not this loving simple. When we started off on the wrong foot in the first place we doomed our nation and future generations to a lifetime of high costs. VitalSigns posted:This is an outrageous lie but sure why not. Pray tell what is the obesity rate in Norway and how many baby boomers are there in that country as a percentage of the total population?
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turnip kid posted:Is it normal to show up for something like this when you haven't actually won? Do people do this? is this a first? During his senate campaign in Alabama, Roy Moore was attending orientation meetings in Washington with other Republican senators.
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Willa Rogers posted:Do you know why "the rate of cost increase" has gone down? (Actually, it's the "slowing the growth" of per-capita medical spending.) Because people are spurning seeking medical care due to out-of-pocket costs, even when they have insurance. So is this in spite of, or as a result of ACA? The 'even when they have insurance' part makes it seem likely that ACA doesn't have much to do with it.
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Ego-bot posted:During his senate campaign in Alabama, Roy Moore was attending orientation meetings in Washington with other Republican senators. He heard something about "freshman orientation" and wasn't gonna miss it.
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Ego-bot posted:During his senate campaign in Alabama, Roy Moore was attending orientation meetings in Washington with other Republican senators. It's amazing how great a non-answer this is. 
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Mr Ice Cream Glove posted:Losing your job to...own the libs? Life comes at you fast.
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Mr Ice Cream Glove posted:Losing your job to...own the libs? I don't even wear corporate branded clothes to regular functions let alone super sketchy ones. Social media is public, folks! When do they gently caress
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Mr Ice Cream Glove posted:Losing your job to...own the libs? they are so hosed when they get to philly. they killed Canadian robots for fun and threw batteries as santa. they will kick the poo poo out of nazis. and hell, the cops might even look the other way for once there. https://www.gq.com/story/americans-murder-friendly-canadian-hitchhiking-robot Dapper_Swindler fucked around with this message at 18:20 on Nov 15, 2018 |
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Avenatti4Pres posted:Pray tell what is the obesity rate in Norway and how many baby boomers are there in that country as a percentage of the total population? Look at the graph dude, Norway aint the only country with half our healthcare costs, in fact it's the highest per capita health spending in the world next to ours.
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Roland Jones posted:Okay, fine, would you prefer "Because the ACA helped me it was clearly made with nothing but good intentions, and the ways it failed people are insignificant or were all accidents or Republican/Lieberman sabotage rather than deliberate parts of it from the moment of its creation because even when dealing with potentially life-saving legislation the Democrats cared more about personal and lobbyist interests than the lives of the American people"? Because there are people trying to absolve those behind the ACA of its flaws and inadequacies when even if implemented exactly as originally written many would have still existed because they were by design. Doesn't quite roll off the tongue, though. Keep titling at that strawman. The strawman in this case is the idea that the Democrats are some sort of organized (hah!) conspiracy to gently caress people over rather than a gaggle of individuals with different intentions, motivations and degrees of sincerity and corruption. The thinking behind the insistence that that strawman is an actual thing rather than a strawman fiction is the exact same as sits behind the qanon and every other crazy conspiracy theorist kookiness. Because it's more comforting to imagine some all powerful but malign force controlling things than to accept the reality that it's all the crazy chaos that it appears to be. I've noticed a pattern with the Dems are a waste posting. They'll post some assertion, and as soon as someone comes up with evidence showing that assertion is utter bullshit they'll counter with some completely different example of Dems being bad, often as poorly thought out and questionably sourced as was first rebutted or maybe some legit example of corruption to imply that "see this Democrat was corrupt so obviously they are all corrupt". They'll shift the goal posts then if all that fails they'll accuse those of us who don't buy into their conspiracy nonsense as being "naive" or that we don't care or that we're privileged or corrupt in some way ourselves. I've also noticed that they tend to regurgitate right wing propaganda with amazing regularity to the point where I seriously find myself questioning the sincerity of their leftism, I mean I can't read their minds obviously so it's entirely possible that they are legit in their views but their regular willingness to embrace and promote Right Wing framing while blatantly ignoring the existence of the Republican Party, Corporations and their efforts to undermine any Democratic effort to accomplish anything of any value, the structural electoral disadvantages that the Democrats have to work to overcome and the absolute loving ignorance and insanity of the majority of the voting public as well as the open well coordinated and sophisticated propaganda operations of the Right through Fox News, IHeartRadio (am talk radio) and Sinclair Broadcasting so obviously the Democrats failure to achieve full Socialism with Obama's election is obviously because Democrats are evil comic book villains working to screw the American people over. Yes some politicians are corrupt, and yes almost all end up having to compromise in order to accomplish anything and yes the ACA was flawed but no it was not worse than nothing, It was and is an objective improvement over what existed prior to it's passage and it would have been stronger if not for the sustained and coordinated efforts of the GOP and their Corporate owners , Now riddle me this Dems are a waste geniuses, if the ACA really was such a horrible pro corporate handout why are those same corporations and their GOP allies fighting so hard to destroy it?
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Crow Jane posted:What the everloving gently caress? https://twitter.com/ipm_hq/status/1062573986104700929?s=21
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The UK has a high obesity rate too, yet look how much lower they are on that chart.
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ReidRansom posted:https://twitter.com/NBCNews/status/1063111419158245376 This is loving ghoulish as all hell. Trump is basically offering this guy up as a sacrifice to Turkey so they will stop holding up the evidence of what Saudi Arabia did in the Khashoggi assassination for the world to see
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GoluboiOgon posted:things were actually better in the 90s In the 1990s, I was hospitalized for three days and my total out-of-pocket costs were... $0. My small-group (<10 employees) employer paid $150/month for each of us to have full-out, Blue Cross PPO coverage that one be used in any state.
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I'm all for three of those things, but it really depends on what's in the vape. Does that make me a centrist  ?
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Crow Jane posted:I'm all for three of those things, but it really depends on what's in the vape. Does that make me a centrist My poo poo lungs would not handle mandatory vapes well so I can't support that platform even with the free ponies.
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Feinne posted:My poo poo lungs would not handle mandatory vapes well so I can't support that platform even with the free ponies. Make the ponies vape instead.
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Kimsemus posted:well meaning, was tenuous at best. This is false. The basis was extremely well settled law.going back decades. The Roberts court just waved their dicks around and decided the law should be different.
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Ice Phisherman posted:Make the ponies vape instead. Bezos could vape for all three of us, I don't want to make my pony do it.
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no one would move from a pony country to a non pony country
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Feinne posted:Bezos could vape for all three of us, I don't want to make my pony do it. Maybe when it's your turn with Bezos you can make him vape while he cleans the grout in your bathroom or whatever, and it could count as your mandatory vaping?
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Feinne posted:Bezos could vape for all three of us, I don't want to make my pony do it. Well he would be everyone's slave, so he could vape for everyone I guess.
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Kimsemus posted:also republicans didn't take ACA cases to court; private companies like Hobby Lobby did and won because the constitutional justification for the ACA, however well meaning, was tenuous at best. the cases against the ACA were laughable and considered as such by everyone with any ounce of legal knowledge. people just underestimated the willingness of partisan republican judges to believe utter nonsense if it was in the interest of the republican party.
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Avenatti4Pres posted:I don't think anyone here is saying the ACA is flawless. The most common Democratic point is that it isn't perfect but it is a good step forward and needs to be improved upon. It's also very, very popular throughout the country. Which is a good thing. That means reforming it and improving it should have popular support. "it isn't perfect but it is a good step forward and needs to be improved upon. It's also very, very popular throughout the country. Which is a good thing. That means reforming it and improving it should have popular support." lol, these are literally Dem-consultant talking points derived from focus groups. And no, there aren't "other countries that have ACA-like models that work"--unless you can find another country that allows insurers to set their own rates, allows providers to set their own rates, and that allows pharmaceutical companies that set their own rates. What those other countries have are systems akin to our Medicare: the government sets pricing on insurers & providers, and pays private insurers to administer those plans at fixed costs set by the government.
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Fritz Coldcockin posted:Life comes at you fash. Fixed that for you.
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Kimsemus posted:also republicans didn't take ACA cases to court; private companies like Hobby Lobby did and won because the constitutional justification for the ACA, however well meaning, was tenuous at best. this is also bullshit, like most of the things you've been saying, NFIB ran the main challenge and King v. Burwell was sponsored by AEI these are core republican interest groups working on the party's behalf
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That platform is insufficient. We also would need stabling and feed provision.
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Willa Rogers posted:Do you know why "the rate of cost increase" has gone down? (Actually, it's the "slowing the growth" of per-capita medical spending.) Because people are spurning seeking medical care due to out-of-pocket costs, even when they have insurance, and even when they've discovered that they're seriously ill. this is objectively and obviously false, and is just sort of part of your practice of intentionally lying if that lie helps make whatever argument you believe is correct there are significant issues with high-deductible plans but the cost curve "bent" with all plans
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