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Random Stranger
Nov 27, 2009




When Trump has lost Haberman, you know things are getting bad.

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Random Stranger
Nov 27, 2009



I just want to point out that Donald Trump just awarded the presidential medal of freedom to Babe Ruth, Elvis, some NFL players, and the wife of one of his biggest campaign donors. Just thought everyone would like to get their daily dose of insanity in.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/16/us/politics/presidential-medal-freedom-adelson.html

Stexils
Jun 5, 2008

i can't loving believe he would turn the medal of freedom into a joke

ReidRansom
Oct 25, 2004


Random Stranger posted:

I just want to point out that Donald Trump just awarded the presidential medal of freedom to Babe Ruth, Elvis, some NFL players, and the wife of one of his biggest campaign donors. Just thought everyone would like to get their daily dose of insanity in.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/16/us/politics/presidential-medal-freedom-adelson.html

lol her wiki page already accurately reflects what we all think of that

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miriam_Adelson

quote:

...In 2018, she purchased the Presidential Medal of Freedom from Donald Trump.[12]

marshmonkey
Dec 5, 2003

I was sick of looking
at your stupid avatar
so
have a cool cat instead.

:v:
Switchblade Switcharoo
https://twitter.com/cjcmichel/status/1063510720808140803

predicto
Jul 22, 2004

THE DEM DEFENDER HAS LOGGED ON

Stexils posted:

i can't loving believe he would turn the medal of freedom into a joke

Umm. I can believe it.

HashtagGirlboss
Jan 4, 2005

predicto posted:

Umm. I can believe it.

I decided to look into other awardees, and Obama gave it to the Gates' also ostensibly for philanthropy, and Clinton gave it to this guy. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eugene_Lang

Lots of other interesting choices.

I hate to say it but it may already kind of have been a joke.

Toaster Beef
Jan 23, 2007

that's not nature's way
Stallone got it for Rocky IV.

It has been a joke for a while.

Stexils
Jun 5, 2008

predicto posted:

Umm. I can believe it.

whoosh

Party Plane Jones
Jul 1, 2007

by Reene
Fun Shoe
https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/1063514595653009408

edit: this pre-election kav hearing poster holds true

Party Plane Jones fucked around with this message at 21:03 on Nov 16, 2018

Crow Jane
Oct 18, 2012

nothin' wrong with a lady drinkin' alone in her room
Babe Ruth and Elvis Presley are somehow so loving Trump. Like, he has no taste of his own, or interests beyond himself and his wallet, so he just picked two names he remembered. It just shows a lack of effort.

Slow News Day
Jul 4, 2007

Party Plane Jones posted:

https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/1063514595653009408

edit: this pre-election kav hearing poster holds true


rapists' demand for off-campus housing will skyrocket!

HelloSailorSign
Jan 27, 2011

enraged_camel posted:

rapists' demand for off-campus housing will skyrocket!

You mean frat houses?

Slow News Day
Jul 4, 2007

Crow Jane posted:

Babe Ruth and Elvis Presley are somehow so loving Trump. Like, he has no taste of his own, or interests beyond himself and his wallet, so he just picked two names he remembered. It just shows a lack of effort.

As the saying goes, money can't buy taste.

Mezzanine
Aug 23, 2009
RIP Nelson, RIP Gillum, RIP protecting sexual assault victims

I made my weekly donation to RAINN, I'm gonna just go away somewhere for a week and turn off my phone. Hopefully by the time I get back, AOC will be House Speaker and Auntie Maxine will be reading 45's tax returns out loud on C-SPAN or something.

marshmonkey
Dec 5, 2003

I was sick of looking
at your stupid avatar
so
have a cool cat instead.

:v:
Switchblade Switcharoo
https://twitter.com/karentravers/status/1063503442726006785

MickeyFinn
May 8, 2007
Biggie Smalls and Junior Mafia some mark ass bitches

Party Plane Jones posted:

edit: this pre-election kav hearing poster holds true


This poster needs the music playing on the Simpsons fake Hard Copy. Rowdy Roddy... Peeper? That Trump smug-face that screams “I get away with sexual assault” shows the artist really knows their subject.

Herstory Begins Now
Aug 5, 2003
SOME REALLY TEDIOUS DUMB SHIT THAT SUCKS ASS TO READ ->>
Trump news feels like a livestream from inside a home for people with alzheimers, especially the last month, which has dialed that feeling up to 12.

Mr. Fall Down Terror
Jan 24, 2018

by Fluffdaddy

Herstory Begins Now posted:

Trump news feels like a livestream from inside a home for people with alzheimers, especially the last month, which has dialed that feeling up to 12.

i remember in months past when goons would argue about whether or not trump has dementia and if that can even be meaningfully determined or diagnosed

my personal take on it is that he definitely does, and i base this on my experience working in a hospice and interacting with people in various stages of dementia

Herstory Begins Now
Aug 5, 2003
SOME REALLY TEDIOUS DUMB SHIT THAT SUCKS ASS TO READ ->>

luxury handset posted:

i remember in months past when goons would argue about whether or not trump has dementia and if that can even be meaningfully determined or diagnosed

my personal take on it is that he definitely does, and i base this on my experience working in a hospice and interacting with people in various stages of dementia

The last few weeks it's like 'grandpa rants about illegals (again)' 'grandpa makes inappropriate comments towards a judge's widow' 'grandpa is paranoid again that his caretakers are plotting something against him' 'grandpa is posting semi-coherent angry poo poo online (again)' 'grandpa is ranting about some poo poo on fox news to anyone who will listen.' Plus all the weird telling really obvious lies and grinning like a child. It's just so weird, it reminds me of the classic dysfunctional family poo poo where people are trying to pretend that everything is normal and nothing is wrong with all this ridiculous evidence to the contrary right in their faces.

Really I'm just waiting for a scammer to call up Trump and pretend he's a bank of america employee and he needs Trump to just verify who he is

Hieronymous Alloy
Jan 30, 2009


Why! Why!! Why must you refuse to accept that Dr. Hieronymous Alloy's Genetically Enhanced Cream Corn Is Superior to the Leading Brand on the Market!?!




Morbid Hound

luxury handset posted:

i remember in months past when goons would argue about whether or not trump has dementia and if that can even be meaningfully determined or diagnosed

my personal take on it is that he definitely does, and i base this on my experience working in a hospice and interacting with people in various stages of dementia

Yeah I think I was one of the earlier folks around here making that call (he's had some signs of it since before the election) and it's because I work with those populations and dude is acting just like them

Like, I can't diagnose the guy specifically but his brain is not good, not the best brain

Nucleic Acids
Apr 10, 2007

Party Plane Jones posted:

https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/1063514595653009408

edit: this pre-election kav hearing poster holds true


Didn't her brother (Erik loving Prince) rape a bunch of women in college?

Mr. Fall Down Terror
Jan 24, 2018

by Fluffdaddy

Herstory Begins Now posted:

Really I'm just waiting for a scammer to call up Trump and pretend he's a bank of america employee and he needs Trump to just verify who he is

something like this already happened with someone who scored an impromptu interview by calling trump and bluffing his way past gatekeepers but i don't remember enough about it right now to google the details

e: got it but it's equally a failure of trump's staff to do their loving jobs

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/world/us-politics/article-radio-prankster-reaches-trump-on-phone-on-air-force-one/

evilweasel
Aug 24, 2002

luxury handset posted:

something like this already happened with someone who scored an impromptu interview by calling trump and bluffing his way past gatekeepers but i don't remember enough about it right now to google the details

someone wrote an entire book by hanging around in the white house without anyone authorizing him because everyone assumed someone else authorized him

eke out
Feb 24, 2013



so Matt Whitaker has a huge conflict of interest because he has close political ties with a key grand jury witness, and person with serious liability in the MUeller probe, Sam Clovis

wisely, Sam Clovis then goes on a podcast and brags about what a good relationship he has with Whitaker and how he'll "also not let [the Mueller probe] get out of out of control"

https://twitter.com/nycsouthpaw/status/1063544324456161280

The Glumslinger
Sep 24, 2008

Coach Nagy, you want me to throw to WHAT side of the field?


Hair Elf

eke out posted:

so Matt Whitaker has a huge conflict of interest because he has close political ties with a key grand jury witness, and person with serious liability in the MUeller probe, Sam Clovis

wisely, Sam Clovis then goes on a podcast and brags about what a good relationship he has with Whitaker and how he'll "also not let [the Mueller probe] get out of out of control"

https://twitter.com/nycsouthpaw/status/1063544324456161280

There is a lot going on in that headline

MickeyFinn
May 8, 2007
Biggie Smalls and Junior Mafia some mark ass bitches

The Glumslinger posted:

There is a lot going on in that headline

Not really, there is a man bloviating and bull semen. That is one Friday night, tops.

Doctor Spaceman
Jul 6, 2010

"Everyone's entitled to their point of view, but that's seriously a weird one."
https://twitter.com/AP/status/1063556155174264832

PerniciousKnid
Sep 13, 2006

Herstory Begins Now posted:

Trump news feels like a livestream from inside a home for people with alzheimers, especially the last month, which has dialed that feeling up to 12.

The haziness of my memory of the last two years makes me wonder if Alzheimer's is contagious via Twitter.

eke out
Feb 24, 2013



eke out posted:

this is quite the brief

https://twitter.com/adamliptak/status/1063554887206821893

i'm reading through it but it looks really good so far

plus it has the advantages of being filed directly with SCOTUS because the case has already progressed enough, and it makes the case for why they should skip letting district courts touch it and just go ahead and decide if Whitaker is properly appointed once and for all

also the lawyer behind it is the publisher of SCOTUSblog and his firm so, good advocates

this is probably the more appropriate thread to post this in, on second thought.

A really significant brief that nicely outlines all the core arguments against Whitaker and is packaged in a way that the Supreme Court could be hearing arguments in 4-6 weeks instead of a year from now.

Moktaro
Aug 3, 2007
I value call my nuts.

Crow Jane posted:

Babe Ruth and Elvis Presley are somehow so loving Trump. Like, he has no taste of his own, or interests beyond himself and his wallet, so he just picked two names he remembered. It just shows a lack of effort.

Well I for one have certainly felt that we're caught in a trap.

DACK FAYDEN
Feb 25, 2013

Bear Witness

xrunner posted:

I decided to look into other awardees, and Obama gave it to the Gates' also ostensibly for philanthropy, and Clinton gave it to this guy. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eugene_Lang

Lots of other interesting choices.

I hate to say it but it may already kind of have been a joke.
Huh, Eugene Lang had given $150 million in donations to mostly colleges by then? He's somehow actually not the worst recipient despite being a patent troll - you don't get 38 honorary doctorates without doing a lot of good or bombing Cambodia.

(but I'm with you)

Zwabu
Aug 7, 2006

Random Stranger posted:

I just want to point out that Donald Trump just awarded the presidential medal of freedom to Babe Ruth, Elvis, some NFL players, and the wife of one of his biggest campaign donors. Just thought everyone would like to get their daily dose of insanity in.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/16/us/politics/presidential-medal-freedom-adelson.html

Is this like when you’re a teenager buying a porno mag at the drugstore and you throw in some chewing gum, Doritos and today’s newspaper because you think it makes it look better?

Random Stranger
Nov 27, 2009



xrunner posted:

Obama gave it to the Gates' also ostensibly for philanthropy,

While I'll concede that it's possible it was because of donations, the Bill and Melinda Gates foundation is the largest charitable organization in the world and around that time they had been involved in some very high profile projects, so that one isn't really crazy.

Crow Jane
Oct 18, 2012

nothin' wrong with a lady drinkin' alone in her room

Zwabu posted:

Is this like when you’re a teenager buying a porno mag at the drugstore and you throw in some chewing gum, Doritos and today’s newspaper because you think it makes it look better?

When I used to work at a bookstore, the MO usually involved buying a stack of general interest magazines with a porn slipped in and thinking I, or the other cashiers, wouldn't notice that they liked Juggs alongside their Atlantic and National Geographic.

Or they just took them into the men's room, had their fun, and left without buying anything

Slow News Day
Jul 4, 2007

:siren: Holy gently caress :siren:

eke out
Feb 24, 2013



enraged_camel posted:

:siren: Holy gently caress :siren:



quoting because paywall:

quote:

The CIA has concluded that Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman ordered the assassination of journalist Jamal Khashoggi in Istanbul last month, contradicting the Saudi government’s claims that he was not involved in the killing, according to people familiar with the matter.

The CIA’s assessment, in which officials have said they have high confidence, is the most definitive to date linking Mohammed to the operation and complicates the Trump administration’s efforts to preserve its relationship with a close ally. A team of 15 Saudi agents flew to Istanbul on government aircraft in October and killed Khashoggi inside the Saudi consulate, where he had come to pick up documents that he needed for his planned marriage to a Turkish woman.

In reaching its conclusions, the CIA examined multiple sources of intelligence, including a phone call that the prince’s brother Khalid bin Salman, the Saudi ambassador to the United States, had with Khashoggi, according to the people familiar with the matter who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss the intelligence. Khalid told Khashoggi, a contributing columnist to The Washington Post, that he should go to the Saudi consulate in Istanbul to retrieve the documents and gave him assurances that it would be safe to do so.

It is not clear if Khalid knew that Khashoggi would be killed, but he made the call at his brother’s direction, according to the people familiar with the call, which was intercepted by U.S. intelligence.

Fatimah Baeshen, a spokeswoman for the Saudi Embassy in Washington, said the ambassador and Khashoggi never discussed “anything related to going to Turkey.” She added that the claims in the CIA’s “purported assessment are false. We have and continue to hear various theories without seeing the primary basis for these speculations.”

The CIA’s conclusion about Mohammed’s role was also based on the agency’s assessment of the prince as the country’s de facto ruler who oversees even minor affairs in the kingdom. “The accepted position is that there is no way this happened without him being aware or involved,” said a U.S. official familiar with the CIA’s conclusions.

The CIA sees Mohammed as a “good technocrat,” the U.S. official said, but also as volatile and arrogant, someone who “goes from zero to 60, doesn’t seem to understand that there are some things you can’t do.”

CIA analysts believe he has a firm grip on power and is not in danger of losing his status as heir to the throne despite the Khashoggi scandal. “The general agreement is that he is likely to survive,” the official said, adding that Mohammed’s role as the future Saudi king is “taken for granted.”

A spokesman for the CIA declined to comment.

Over the past several weeks, the Saudis have offered multiple, contradictory explanations for what happened at the consulate. This week, the Saudi public prosecutor blamed the operation on a rogue band of operatives who were sent to Istanbul to return Khashoggi to Saudi Arabia, in an operation that veered off course when the journalist “was forcibly restrained and injected with a large amount of a drug resulting in an overdose that led to his death,” according to a report by the prosecutor.

Turkey says Saudi team acted on orders in Khashoggi case
Turkish Foreign Minister Mevlut Cavusoglu spoke in Tokyo Nov. 6 about the murder of Washington Post contributor Jamal Khashoggi. (Reuters)

The prosecutor announced charges against 11 alleged participants and said he would seek the death penalty against five of them.

The assassination of Khashoggi, a prominent critic of Mohammed’s policies, has sparked a foreign policy crisis for the White House and raised questions about the administration’s reliance on Saudi Arabia as a key ally in the Middle East and bulwark against Iran.

President Trump has resisted pinning the blame for the killing on Mohammed, who enjoys a close relationship with Jared Kushner, the president’s son-in-law and senior adviser. Privately, aides said, Trump has been shown evidence of the prince’s involvement but remains skeptical that Mohammed ordered the killing.

The president has also asked CIA and State Department officials where Khashoggi’s body is and has grown frustrated that they have not been able to provide an answer. The CIA does not know the location of Khashoggi’s remains, according to the people familiar with the agency’s assessment.

Among the intelligence assembled by the CIA is an audio recording from a listening device that the Turks placed inside the Saudi consulate, according to the people familiar with the matter. The Turks gave the CIA a copy of that audio, and the agency’s director, Gina Haspel, has listened to it.

The audio shows that Khashoggi was killed within moments of entering the consulate, according to officials in multiple countries who have listened to it or been briefed on its contents. Khashoggi died in the office of the Saudi consul general, who can be heard expressing his displeasure that Khashoggi’s body now needed to be disposed of and the facility cleaned of any evidence, according to people familiar with the audio recording.

The CIA also examined a call placed from inside the consulate after the killing by an alleged member of the Saudi hit team, Maher Mutreb, a security official who has often been seen at the crown prince’s side and who was photographed entering and leaving the consulate on the day of the killing.

Mutreb called Saud al-Qahtani, then one of the top aides to Mohammed, and informed him that the operation had been completed, according to people familiar with the call.

This week, the Treasury Department sanctioned 17 individuals it said were involved in Khashoggi’s death, including Qahtani, Mutreb and the Saudi consul general in Turkey, Mohammad al-Otaibi.

The CIA’s assessment of Mohammed’s role in the assassination also tracks with information developed by foreign governments, according to officials in several European capitals who have concluded that the operation was too brazen to have taken place without Mohammed’s direction.

Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan has said his government has shared the audio with Germany, France, the United Kingdom and Saudi Arabia.

In addition to calls and audio recordings, CIA analysts also linked some members of the Saudi hit team directly to Mohammed himself. Some of the 15 members have served on his security team and traveled in the United States during visits by senior Saudi officials, including the crown prince, according to passport records reviewed by The Washington Post.

The U.S. had also obtained intelligence before Khashoggi’s death that indicated he might be in danger. But it wasn’t until after he disappeared, on Oct. 2, that U.S. intelligence agencies began searching archives of intercepted communications and discovered material indicating that the Saudi royal family had been seeking to lure Khashoggi back to Riyadh.

Two U.S. officials said there has been no indication that officials were aware of this intelligence in advance of Khashoggi’s disappearance or had missed any chance to warn him.

Khashoggi “was not a person of interest,” before his disappearance, and the fact that he was residing in Virginia meant that he was regarded as a U.S. person and therefore shielded from U.S. intelligence gathering, one of the officials said.

Trump has told senior White House officials that he wants Mohammed to remain in power because Saudi Arabia helps to check Iran, which the administration considers its top security challenge in the Middle East. He has said that he does not want the controversy over Khashoggi’s death to impede oil production by the kingdom.

One lingering question is why Mohammed decided to kill Khashoggi, who was not agitating for the crown prince’s removal.

A theory the CIA has developed is that Mohammed believed Khashoggi was a dangerous Islamist who was too sympathetic to the Muslim Brotherhood, according to people familiar with the assessment. Days after Khashoggi disappeared, Mohammed relayed that view in a phone call with Kushner and John Bolton, the national security adviser, who has long opposed the Brotherhood and seen it as a regional security threat.

Mohammed’s private condemnation of the slain journalist stood in contracts to his government’s public comments, which mourned Khashoggi’s killing as a “terrible mistake” and a “tragedy.”

U.S. officials are unclear on when or whether the Saudi government will follow through with its threatened executions of the individuals blamed for Khashoggi’s killing. “It could happen overnight or take 20 years,” the U.S. official said, adding that the treatment of subordinates could erode Mohammed’s standing going forward.

In killing those who followed his orders, “it’s hard to get the next set [of subordinates] to help,” the official said.

Slow News Day
Jul 4, 2007

eke out posted:

quoting because paywall:

incognito mode in chrome and private browsing on firefox gets around WaPo payroll, btw

(you're welcome, that'll be $5)

eke out
Feb 24, 2013



enraged_camel posted:

incognito mode in chrome and private browsing on firefox gets around WaPo payroll, btw

(you're welcome, that'll be $5)

that's what i did, i meant I was quoting so others don't have to bother

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PIZZA.BAT
Nov 12, 2016


:cheers:


enraged_camel posted:

:siren: Holy gently caress :siren:



jeeeeeeeesus if the cia is directly going against the pres this openly

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