AusPol November: And you know, they can't refuse... because of The Capability.

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Box of Bunnies: Apr 3, 2012; by Pragmatica

Bring back the Ferals and let them run these station. They have experience in that kind of thing

# ? Nov 16, 2018 07:15

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# ? Jun 8, 2024 23:40

bandaid.friend: Apr 25, 2017; My first car was a stick

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-11-16/wage-theft-report/10505412

quote:

Wage theft is becoming so systematic in Queensland, it is estimated to be stripping almost $2.5 billion from the economy every year, a parliamentary report has found.

...

The report made 17 recommendations to improve system responses to wage theft, many of which are directed at the Federal Government.
The Committee recommended the Queensland Government conduct a public education campaign to assist in the fight against wage theft, working with the higher education sector to ensure international students had advice on workplace rights, including their right to join a union.
It also recommended wage theft be legislated as a criminal offence.

...

LNP members of the wage theft inquiry issued a statement of reservation about the recommendations.
"The LNP strongly maintains our opposition to union activism being taught in Queensland schools," the statement said.
"We have concerns about recommendations for a national labour hire licensing approach, given there has been no review of the effectiveness of Queensland's new laws.
"We also have concerns about making wage theft a new criminal offence as there are already existing criminal code offences that are sufficient and should be enforced."

# ? Nov 16, 2018 07:21

bandaid.friend: Apr 25, 2017; My first car was a stick

Not to downplay the crime of theft but in that article, wages + super + tax on wages and super + money spent from wages = the economy, frankly I've never had a firm grasp on what 'the economy' is so it's nice to know for sure now

# ? Nov 16, 2018 07:29

Senor Tron: May 26, 2006

hooman posted:

This graph is pretty stark, I knew it had been bad for the ABC but I had no idea how bad.

The funding cuts should be fought against, but I hate graphs that set an arbitrary baseline like that.

# ? Nov 16, 2018 07:31

hooman: Oct 11, 2007; This guy seems legit.; Fun Shoe

Senor Tron posted:

The funding cuts should be fought against, but I hate graphs that set an arbitrary baseline like that.

Yeah me too, it should be scaled to 0. 10% is still a huge cut though.

# ? Nov 16, 2018 07:35

drunkill: Sep 25, 2007; me @ ur posting; Fallen Rib

Fiona Pattern did an AMA on reddit this morning: https://www.reddit.com/r/melbourne/comments/9xgbnx/fiona_patten_and_reason_victoria_ama_friday_1611/

Dunno if it is anygood, reading it now.

# ? Nov 16, 2018 07:48

Les Affaires: Nov 15, 2004

bandaid.friend posted:

Not to downplay the crime of theft but in that article, wages + super + tax on wages and super + money spent from wages = the economy, frankly I've never had a firm grasp on what 'the economy' is so it's nice to know for sure now

*slides a worn copy of Capital your way*

# ? Nov 16, 2018 08:09

Solemn Sloth: Jul 11, 2015; Baby you can shout at me,
But you can't need my eyes.

drunkill posted:

Fiona Pattern did an AMA on reddit this morning: https://www.reddit.com/r/melbourne/comments/9xgbnx/fiona_patten_and_reason_victoria_ama_friday_1611/

Dunno if it is anygood, reading it now.

# ? Nov 16, 2018 08:10

Don Dongington: Sep 27, 2005; #ideasboom; College Slice

drunkill posted:

Fiona Pattern did an AMA on reddit this morning: https://www.reddit.com/r/melbourne/comments/9xgbnx/fiona_patten_and_reason_victoria_ama_friday_1611/

Dunno if it is anygood, reading it now.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DOqb_UzJSUQ

# ? Nov 16, 2018 08:13

Solemn Sloth: Jul 11, 2015; Baby you can shout at me,
But you can't need my eyes.

She repeatedly refused to answer why she made a preference deal with the LDP and some kommando level muppet makes multiple claims that �reason party votes will never transfer to LDP� through either an impressive level of stupidity or being a lying tossrag.

Reason party can get in the loving bin.

# ? Nov 16, 2018 08:15

The Peccadillo: Mar 4, 2013; We Have Important Work To Do

drunkill posted:

Fiona Pattern did an AMA on reddit this morning: https://www.reddit.com/r/melbourne/comments/9xgbnx/fiona_patten_and_reason_victoria_ama_friday_1611/

Dunno if it is anygood, reading it now.

That's a pretty good indictment in exactly the way you'd presume from something called "reason party"

# ? Nov 16, 2018 08:48

Anidav: Feb 25, 2010; ahhh fuck its the rats again

Rudd adds: �On assuming office Swan immediately began engaging in the national political debate, seeking to rekindle class warfare and remodelled himself as Australia�s answer to Bernie Sanders and Jeremy Corbyn.

�For a man who as treasurer sold out the mining companies on the mining tax, there is more than a whiff of hypocrisy on that score.

�Not to mention the fact that for the party to lead the nation, we must also bring large swathes of small business, the middle class and aspirational Australians with us.��

# ? Nov 16, 2018 12:23

You Am I: May 20, 2001; Me @ your poasting

I guess we dodged a bullet when Rudd got the boot. Similar to Latham not becoming PM, even if it gave us another three years of Howard.

God those were dark times.

# ? Nov 16, 2018 12:29

bell jar: Feb 25, 2009

I love that Rudd keeps doubling down on how good he is and how bad everyone else is. I wish i could live under such strong denial

# ? Nov 16, 2018 13:08

Don Dongington: Sep 27, 2005; #ideasboom; College Slice

You Am I posted:

I guess we dodged a bullet when Rudd got the boot. Similar to Latham not becoming PM, even if it gave us another three years of Howard.

God those were dark times.

If the media had just let Gillard govern, instead of shamelessly, partisanly and brazenly attacking her every day of her term, and never over the things that she deserved criticism for, like betraying LGBTIQA+ people, or loving over single parents, maybe we would be a world leader in renewable technologies, have a world class fibre network and still be in the top 3 economies in the OECD.

We would probably be in Swans second term and enjoying a gentle slide to the left while idiot Tony continues to ruin his own party from opposition.

# ? Nov 16, 2018 13:11

lilbeefer: Oct 4, 2004

I just walked past a stephen jolly poster in burnley that someone pasted a "COMMUNISM KILLS" poster on top of.

Bit ~~non sequitur~~ post hoc

Then further down the street, another jolly poster had "the problem with socialism, is eventually you run out of everyone else money" :downs:

lilbeefer fucked around with this message at 13:39 on Nov 16, 2018

# ? Nov 16, 2018 13:37

Don Dongington: Sep 27, 2005; #ideasboom; College Slice

fickle poofterist posted:

I just walked past a stephen jolly poster in burnley that someone pasted a "COMMUNISM KILLS" poster on top of.

Bit ~~non sequitur~~ post hoc

Then further down the street, another jolly poster had "the problem with socialism, is eventually you run out of everyone else money"

The best part of that stupid trope is that this is actually the problem with Capitalism, as the tax base is erroded to nothing and the state fails.

# ? Nov 16, 2018 13:49

bandaid.friend: Apr 25, 2017; My first car was a stick

I've heard those ones from the PragerU/Turning Points USA sort of crowd

# ? Nov 16, 2018 14:33

WhiskeyWhiskers: Oct 14, 2013; "هذا ليس عادلاً."
"هذا ليس عادلاً على الإطلاق."
"كان هناك وقت الآن."
(السياق الخفي: للقراءة)

The problem with Communism is *checks notes* the secular tendency for the rate of profit to fall.

# ? Nov 16, 2018 14:35

Anidav: Feb 25, 2010; ahhh fuck its the rats again

The problem with communism is that it fails when you are forced to deal with proxy wars and space races.

# ? Nov 16, 2018 15:09

starkebn: May 18, 2004; "Oooh, got a little too serious. You okay there, little buddy?"

the problem with communism so far has been sociopathic dictators

# ? Nov 16, 2018 16:42

big dong wanter: Jan 28, 2010; The future for this country is roads, freeways and highways

To the dangerzone

Communism works great in theory but in practice ends in a CIA backed coup

# ? Nov 16, 2018 17:07

drunkill: Sep 25, 2007; me @ ur posting; Fallen Rib

https://twitter.com/adamzwar/status/1063336243646234626?s=19

Albo maaaate

# ? Nov 16, 2018 21:27

Reclines Obesily: Jul 24, 2000; Hey Moona!; Slippery Tilde

quote:

The 20th century�s failed experimentations with socialism serve as a strong lesson that, despite its idealistic promises of equality, the ideology has led to nothing but oppression and poverty.

However Australian Millennials have remained relatively unaffected by socialism�s shortcomings. The oldest were aged only nine when the Berlin wall fell, and the generation have lived through a period of unprecedented prosperity and growth.

CIS commissioned YouGov-Galaxy polling reveals that Australian Millennials� limited exposure to the horrors of socialism may be causing them to romanticize the ideology. Nearly two-thirds of the group view socialism in a favorable light, with similar number believing that capitalism has failed and more government intervention is warranted. Furthermore, Millennials contend that the government has cut its spending on social services such as education and health � something our polling shows they strongly believe should be reversed.

These results suggest that Australia sits in a similar position to other countries such as the United Kingdom and United States, where the beliefs of Millennials are driving the youth vote in a leftward direction like never before.

With Millennials now making up a third of Australian voters, and almost 35% of the global workforce, it is important to understand how these beliefs might affect the nation into the future, and to ensure that we educate them on socialism�s role in some of the greatest catastrophes in human history.

it�s real bad folks

# ? Nov 16, 2018 21:42

NoNotTheMindProbe: Aug 9, 2010; pony porn was here

The problem with Communism is it isn't full and now.

# ? Nov 16, 2018 22:43

JBP: Feb 16, 2017; You've got to know, to understand,
Baby, take me by my hand,
I'll lead you to the promised land.

The problem with any organised group of people is they figure out how to accrue any type of capital they can and use it to be more powerful. Doesn't necessarily have to be money.

# ? Nov 16, 2018 22:51

drunkill: Sep 25, 2007; me @ ur posting; Fallen Rib

https://twitter.com/PatsKarvelas/status/1063523965333790720?s=19

No poo poo

# ? Nov 16, 2018 23:02

Don Dongington: Sep 27, 2005; #ideasboom; College Slice

drunkill posted:

https://twitter.com/PatsKarvelas/status/1063523965333790720?s=19

No poo poo

And if you'd have said that in 2013, you'd have saved us all a hell of a lot of time and money you peice of poo poo.

# ? Nov 16, 2018 23:46

fiery_valkyrie: Mar 26, 2003; I'm proud of you, Bender. Sure, you lost. You lost bad. But the important thing is I beat up someone who hurt my feelings in high school.

Reclines Obesily posted:

it�s real bad folks

Wait, are they saying East Germany was socialist?

# ? Nov 17, 2018 00:00

Zenithe: Feb 25, 2013; _{Ask not to whom the Anidavatar belongs; it belongs to thee.}

Socialism is when the government does bad things, the more it does, the more socialister it is
-Karl Marx, I guess

# ? Nov 17, 2018 00:18

Lid: Feb 18, 2005; And the mercy seat is awaiting,
And I think my head is burning,
And in a way I'm yearning,
To be done with all this measuring of proof.
An eye for an eye
And a tooth for a tooth,
And anyway I told the truth,
And I'm not afraid to die.

Democratic Socialist nations are bad - also please ignore Denmark, Norway and Sweden existing. They do not count.

# ? Nov 17, 2018 00:30

Senor Tron: May 26, 2006

Reclines Obesily posted:

it�s real bad folks

Could this have anything to do with housing unaffordability, chronic underemployment, education which used to be free now costing tens of thousands of dollars, or watching capitalism corrupt our political processes and destroy the planet?

Nah man they just need to read some history books.

# ? Nov 17, 2018 00:42

You Am I: May 20, 2001; Me @ your poasting

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2018/nov/17/who-should-you-vote-for-in-the-victorian-election

Vic state election quiz: Who would you vote for

# ? Nov 17, 2018 00:46

Konomex: Oct 25, 2010; a whiteman who has some authority over others, who not only hasn't raped anyone, or stared at them creepily...

Lid posted:

Democratic Socialist nations are bad - also please ignore Denmark, Norway and Sweden existing. They do not count.

Weren't we a democratic socialist nation for a couple of decades there?

Why are people always so upset about government control of essential assets.

# ? Nov 17, 2018 00:53

WhiskeyWhiskers: Oct 14, 2013; "هذا ليس عادلاً."
"هذا ليس عادلاً على الإطلاق."
"كان هناك وقت الآن."
(السياق الخفي: للقراءة)

Lid posted:

Democratic Socialist nations are bad - also please ignore Denmark, Norway and Sweden existing. They do not count.

They don't. They're imperialist Strasserite countries.

# ? Nov 17, 2018 00:59

bowmore: Oct 6, 2008; Lipstick Apathy

Comrades

# ? Nov 17, 2018 01:10

bowmore: Oct 6, 2008; Lipstick Apathy

You Am I posted:

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2018/nov/17/who-should-you-vote-for-in-the-victorian-election

Vic state election quiz: Who would you vote for

I got The Greens

# ? Nov 17, 2018 01:11

JBP: Feb 16, 2017; You've got to know, to understand,
Baby, take me by my hand,
I'll lead you to the promised land.

What kind of loving dill requires this kind of test?

# ? Nov 17, 2018 01:14

Lid: Feb 18, 2005; And the mercy seat is awaiting,
And I think my head is burning,
And in a way I'm yearning,
To be done with all this measuring of proof.
An eye for an eye
And a tooth for a tooth,
And anyway I told the truth,
And I'm not afraid to die.

WhiskeyWhiskers posted:

They don't. They're imperialist Strasserite countries.

Lol

# ? Nov 17, 2018 01:22

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hiddenmovement: Sep 29, 2011; "Most mornings I'll apologise in advance to my wife."

JBP posted:

What kind of loving dill requires this kind of test?

A first time voter that's a bit politically naive?

# ? Nov 17, 2018 01:40

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