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I think literally every villain who isn't in the first two DBZ movies is probably fair play and could see canonization of some sort because all of them are pretty oft reused and the fanbase love seeing them be used in stuff again too. Turles is the original Goku Black and a lot of fans like Evil Goku even if there is someone now to make him kind of redundant and the Tree of Might is also a pretty cool rear end setpiece they could bring in, Lord Slug is one of the few other Namekians in the series and he gets a lot of love solely on that alone, Bojack has one of the most popular movies and is himself a pretty distinguished character even if his personality is about as bland as anything else, and Janemba and Hirudegarn while monsterish villains are both pretty popular due to being attached to some other favorite movie characters (Gogeta and Tapion, respectively) and having really unique powers all on their own or being a part of some pretty iconic Dragon Ball imagery. You probably wouldn't see variations of movie characters like Bio Broly and Meta Cooler, but people like the original versions of those characters more anyways.
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Kild posted:Yea he'd be named Chill but the bad Bardock special took that name. Twins called Chill and Blaine. They know the Fusion dance.
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Nov 17, 2018 00:00
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Galatic Patrol Arc is basically going to be a big elaborate Harvey Birdman-esque affair where Goku is arrested by Space Cops, Vegeta is forced into being his Lawyer and he's being charged with the illegal destruction of the Frieza Empire.
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Nov 17, 2018 00:54
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Manatee Cannon posted:what other dbz movie villains would be popular enough for them to bring into the show? I could see cooler if only because freeza's been such a big part of super, but lord slug? turles? probably not Bojack.
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Nov 17, 2018 01:15
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Captain Baal posted:Janemba and Hirudegarn while monsterish villains are both pretty popular due to being attached to some other favorite movie characters (Gogeta and Tapion, respectively) and having really unique powers all on their own or being a part of some pretty iconic Dragon Ball imagery.
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Nov 17, 2018 01:24
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Bumper Stickup posted:Bojack. "Goku's so stupid he doesn't realize how miserable he should be. I envy that."
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Nov 17, 2018 01:27
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Out of the remaining movie villains, the only interesting one I can think of is Janemba, mostly due to his whacky powerset. If they make a small mini arc like the Vegeta-Copy one, I would like it to focus around Trunks and the canonization of Tapion.
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Nov 17, 2018 02:26
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So I've been doing a complete watchthrough of the series starting in Dragon Ball and just got to Old Kai. I know a lot of people like to dump on him, but I unironically like Shin. He's kind of a doofus, but he's just so relentlessly nice and friendly. And it's not really his fault he doesn't know anything even if Old Kai and Beerus make fun of him for it.
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Nov 17, 2018 05:43
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Bumper Stickup posted:I want Tree of Might to be canon in some capacity because I really liked that gimmick. Not saying Turles has to be canon but like the tree itself and its power enhancing fruit should be canon. One of the dogmen from the poo poo universe eats one of the fruits in the exhibition match before the tournament of power, doesn't he? I think he eats it during the fight with Buu and gets rocked anyway.
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Nov 17, 2018 07:03
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Why wasn't I aware of this? https://gilmoreballz.wordpress.com/ Has anyone else talked about this? I'm seriously considering starting it soon, but I know nothing about Gilmore Girls..
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Nov 17, 2018 07:18
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I do love how Super expands the setting so much, which had started to feel small. Every universe has its own heroes, villains and gods with their own way of doing things, and we haven't even seen em all.
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Nov 17, 2018 08:40
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i hope the galactic patrol has our own version of jiren edit: god, jiren is so cool. he's like if someone extremely talented made a perfect broly.
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Nov 17, 2018 08:53
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RaspberryCommie posted:So I've been doing a complete watchthrough of the series starting in Dragon Ball and just got to Old Kai. I love how he adheres to proper ettiquette, while the regular crew are eating with their mouth open and farting at the dinner table. Him basically being polite about how he's not happy with the wayGoku speaks to him in super is beautiful. Shin is basically the new kid starting his first job and the boss is away on vacation.
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Nov 17, 2018 11:12
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Okay, gently caress it, I'm going for it. Buu saga, here we go.
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Nov 17, 2018 11:42
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RaspberryCommie posted:So I've been doing a complete watchthrough of the series starting in Dragon Ball and just got to Old Kai. Shin has had millennia to seek any help in his universe from other, more useful kais - to asking Whis. He must have at least known of Beerus and how much free time Whis has.
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Crabtree posted:Shin has had millennia to seek any help in his universe from other, more useful kais - to asking Whis. He must have at least known of Beerus and how much free time Whis has. During the Buu saga Beerus, Whis and the multiverse weren't even a glint in Toriyama's eye. It doesn't really make sense to judge characters based on retcons that happened nearly two decades later, the Buu saga in particular just completely breaks down when you try to do this. Why else would the Supreme Kais even fight Buu to begin with if they could have called on Beerus and Whis who are there for exactly that type of task? It's not even a job he can brush off because if Shin had been iced with the other Kais he'd have died too. At the time of writing Shin was just some poor doofus who's had the entire support structure there to train him to do his role violently ripped away from him, he's just trying to wing it as best as he can.
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Nov 17, 2018 12:38
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So on the dvd version of the series I have, they kept the exact same closing credits for 200 episodes and only changed them (from one which featured all of the original Dragon Ball characters, including Launch) once Gohan starts going to high school. For all that people talk about how Toriyama only pushed Gohan as the main character after the Cell saga and Goku deciding not to be wished back, if you go by the credits alone, Gohan is the main character for the entirety of DBZ up to this point. Regardless, it's really weird how Goku is in the very last shot of the new closing credits and the rest of it is all "This is Gohan, Videl, Goten and Trunks - THESE ARE YOUR NEW MAIN CHARACTERS!" when you already know that in about 20 episodes it'll be the Goku and Vegeta show again. I think the Great Saiyaman story is fun but it really feels like a filler arc where they're killing time until Goku comes back. I wonder if it really felt like the genuine new status quo when it ran originally in the late 80s.
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Nov 17, 2018 13:43
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Maybe a lot of it was Toriyama wanting Gohan to be the protagonist but the fans and editors just wanted Goku back in the spotlight, or Toriyama ran out of ideas for Gohan and fell back on what he knew. And would make sense that Shin is just totally out of his depth and given the lifespan of Supreme Kais, he probably didn't get much contact with them until Beerus woke up. Funny thing is that Goku's hick manchildishness has basically made Beerus step up as the main authority figure of his universe. I've mentioned, but it's funny that Beerus and Champa's immediate submission when Zeno is around seem to indicate they're quite aware of how petty and obnoxious their behaviour is around everyone else in the multiverse- they know they're being assholes, they simply don't care til there's immediate consequences to be had.
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Nov 17, 2018 14:16
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multijoe posted:During the Buu saga Beerus, Whis and the multiverse weren't even a glint in Toriyama's eye. It doesn't really make sense to judge characters based on retcons that happened nearly two decades later, the Buu saga in particular just completely breaks down when you try to do this. Why else would the Supreme Kais even fight Buu to begin with if they could have called on Beerus and Whis who are there for exactly that type of task? It's not even a job he can brush off because if Shin had been iced with the other Kais he'd have died too. And what is he post Buu, with all of this nonsense happening and his role becoming much more insignificant and dumber with each new heavenly hierarchy? Or poo poo, here's an idea now that he knows a wishing dragons exist and at least Dende is probably much more stronger than he, WHY DOESN'T HE loving WISH THE OTHER SUPREME KAIS BACK SO HE CAN GO BACK TO CLEANING PARADISE WORLD'S TOILETS? For most of his tenure as one of the gods of creation he has done nothing to try to learn how to create anything, make contact with any other Kai other than his Red Butler, train, loving do anything of significance or value; and unlike say Yamcha who at least plays baseball, Shin deserves any hate he gets because he's on top. If he doesn't like it, wish for someone more competent to be in charge or be born from a golden kai fruit. He's divine middle management and he can go gently caress himself.
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Nov 17, 2018 14:38
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Kai actually sacrificed himself to help Trunks defeat Dabura and Babidi in The Worst Timeline, he's a good boy trying his best.
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Nov 17, 2018 14:40
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Maybe he should've replaced the "Z" with something else when it got to the post-Cell storylines. Like, "Dragon Ball: Gohan's Tale" or "Dragon Ball GT" for short.
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Nov 17, 2018 14:48
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Wheat Loaf posted:Maybe he should've replaced the "Z" with something else when it got to the post-Cell storylines. more like, Dragon Ball: Garbage, Tzizimine 
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PaletteSwappedNinja posted:One of the dogmen from the poo poo universe eats one of the fruits in the exhibition match before the tournament of power, doesn't he? I think he eats it during the fight with Buu and gets rocked anyway. Oh yeah I had forgotten that happened. Alright cool wish fulfilled.
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Wheat Loaf posted:Maybe he should've replaced the "Z" with something else when it got to the post-Cell storylines. Sadly, GT could only ever stand for Goku Time.
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RaspberryCommie posted:So I've been doing a complete watchthrough of the series starting in Dragon Ball and just got to Old Kai.
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Nov 17, 2018 17:59
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Watching Kai on Toonami only made it more obvious how incompetent Shin is, considering he's wrong about like everything he ever says or does in the Buu saga, and it has nothing to do with Beerus.
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Judging a fictional character's actions based on retcons is just as fine as judging an actual person's actions based on newly discovered history. Creators have purposely and non purposely made characters more and less sympathetic over time that way and it changes the opinion of the character as a result. Hell, the Bible (which invented the idea of canon basically) retcons the hell out of Satan due to later written books. When reading Dragon Ball, Shin started off as a cool, in the know, Supreme God, and then we gradually found out he was a newbie idiot (Elder Kai completely established that, along with the Buu backstory). Now in Super, we see he knew even less than we thought and is even dumber (which is funny).
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Nov 17, 2018 18:11
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shin is a narrative device. they establish credibility with piccolo and learning he's supreme kai, then bring it into doubt with babidi's henchmen. he had to seem legit at face value to bring the cast to buu, but then ignorant enough once they got there to undercut himself so that people don't take his warnings seriously. he becomes completely irrelevant after elder kai is introduced and is relegated entirely to being the butt of the joke I don't think people hate shin, but nobody in or out of the series itself exactly respects him. you can't take him seriously but that was the point
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Nov 17, 2018 18:44
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Shin's true calling is as an intergalactic taxi driver, and he does that pretty drat well.
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Nov 17, 2018 18:58
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I like Shin, he's beyond useless but that makes him enjoyable in a clumsy idiot sort of way. I expect nothing from him and he always lives up to that. Sometimes, he even surpasses said expectations and proves to be genuinely a liability! Also his interactions with Beerus are wonderful and in general I like that the series makes it clear that him being useless is the expected audience reaction by having the characters treat him the same way the audience does instead of pretending he's competent.
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Nov 17, 2018 19:10
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I also think it's hilarious how the group shot at the end of the second opening credits for DBZ includes Gohan's other classmates Erasa and Sharpner like they're going to be important.
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Nov 17, 2018 20:31
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toei was really hoping there'd be a love triangle
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Nov 17, 2018 20:33
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Wheat Loaf posted:I also think it's hilarious how the group shot at the end of the second opening credits for DBZ includes Gohan's other classmates Erasa and Sharpner like they're going to be important. Did those two ever show up again after Goku and pals went after Buu?
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Nov 17, 2018 20:37
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Rhonne posted:Did those two ever show up again after Goku and pals went after Buu? no but they do get a lot more screentime in general in the original anime due to all the filler
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Nov 17, 2018 20:46
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shin is adorable
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Nov 17, 2018 20:49
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sharktamer posted:shin is adorable Shin is like one of those cats that just fucks up a jump
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Shin can only be redeemed if there's a mini arc where he has to do something simple, like create a flower, and he puts that off to do - whatever the hell it is he does until the very last minute of panic and near constant failure. Him basically coming in around ToP and almost positively saying "But there's only 20 planets of sapient life in the whole universe" is a little bit too much for me to go "Oh You" at him.
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Nov 17, 2018 20:57
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I find it equally reasonable to believe that there actually are only twenty planets with intelligent life and Super's writers are just really dumb
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The whole crying about the 20 planets with life seems weird to me. It’s perfectly reasonable?
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There probably was a lot more life that he just let fall to the wayside not even out of malice but out of being too dumb to look.
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