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EBB posted:instagram of the first holy gently caress it's a wrist corset
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IMO the challege coin is slightly less weird than the "Founder Medal". I thought we were the ones who were supposed to get trophies for nothing, and they're straight up buying theirs.
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Nov 18, 2018 00:12
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ah yes a reader of sun tzu's art of war 
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Nov 18, 2018 00:13
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Trump backing Pelosi is pretty smart and has no negative outcome. She will bend over to be bipartisan anyway while alienating some democratic congresspeople as a result. Makes her look like a quisling and seem illegitimate. She should be gotten rid of anyway, this fear of no one else is as good or their is no heir apparent is bullshit. Let someone learn the ropes and start to learn and whip now, while they only have one chamber, rather when she croaks or encounters a stiff wind.
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Nov 18, 2018 00:18
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Coldwar timewarp posted:Trump backing Pelosi is pretty smart and has no negative outcome. She will bend over to be bipartisan anyway while alienating some democratic congresspeople as a result. Makes her look like a quisling and seem illegitimate. She should be gotten rid of anyway, this fear of no one else is as good or their is no heir apparent is bullshit. Let someone learn the ropes and start to learn and whip now, while they only have one chamber, rather when she croaks or encounters a stiff wind. Seriously, it's baffling that people keep saying she's the only one who can do it. Sure she might be great at the job but she sucks in a ton of other ways so I'm sure at least one of the two hundred some Democrats in the house can probably figure it out how to do an ok job of it.
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Nov 18, 2018 00:56
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Saying Pelosi sucks means accepting that the Obama administration accomplished very little(hence the massive losses and Trump) and #theassistance would sooner die
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Nov 18, 2018 01:10
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Proud Christian Mom posted:Saying Pelosi sucks means accepting that the Obama administration accomplished very little(hence the massive losses and Trump) and #theassistance would sooner die Dems have been in the minority in the house for 8 years. Pelosi is a stale leader past her time, but losing 3 states by 70k votes is hardly her fault. Whoever takes her place can't be a coastal Democrat.
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Nov 18, 2018 01:27
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psydude posted:Dems have been in the minority in the house for 8 years. Pelosi is a stale leader past her time, but losing 3 states by 70k votes is hardly her fault. ocasio-cortez is a coastal democrat and good as hell
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Nov 18, 2018 01:35
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bob dobbs is dead posted:ocasio-cortez is a coastal democrat and good as hell Can you name 10 democratic house members outside of your state that you know anything about?
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Nov 18, 2018 01:39
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you like politic's? whats 10 of their best albums then
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Kawasaki Nun posted:Can you name 10 democratic house members outside of your state that you know anything about? i live in the people's republic of california all this from memory except i knew there was another drat kennedy lying around so i had to resort to wikipedia to find out which kennedy it was ocasio-cortez: snake person house peep steny hoyer, he's the whip, met him once debbie wasserman-schulz, prototypical bad dem, shat multiple times on the left john lewis, walked with mlk tulsi gabbard, solidly ok dem, solidly sane foreign policy imo jim mcgovern, another solidly ok dem, annoyed the burmese govt iirc cuz he was callin it genocide joe kennedy, another drat kennedy al green, maybe a sex pest joaquin castro, twin bro to julian castro beto, attempted and failed to banish the eldritch demon that goes by the human name of ted cruz formerly keith ellison, altho i guess he's doing other poo poo now interestingly, a high school friend interned for kevin mccarthy and turned into a communist due to that experience
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bob dobbs is dead posted:ocasio-cortez is a coastal democrat and good as hell
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Bolow posted:https://twitter.com/JuddLegum/status/1062465030313164800 Sick of winning yet?
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Coldwar timewarp posted:Trump backing Pelosi is pretty smart and has no negative outcome. She will bend over to be bipartisan anyway while alienating some democratic congresspeople as a result. Makes her look like a quisling and seem illegitimate. She should be gotten rid of anyway, this fear of no one else is as good or their is no heir apparent is bullshit. Let someone learn the ropes and start to learn and whip now, while they only have one chamber, rather when she croaks or encounters a stiff wind. Pelosi is a highly effective speaker who's already promised to put members of the Progressive Caucus onto powerful and influential committees. The organized opposition to her from within the caucus is from her right, and the only other left-leaning members of the caucus who could do the job have already pledged to support Pelosi. Being the head of a caucus is not an easy job. The spectrum of individual ideologies of Representatives ranges from Democratic Socialism to 'Almost-but-not-quite Republicans' and the Speaker's job is to keep all of them happy. If you want to see what an ineffective speaker looks like, just look at Paul Ryan—under his reign, the Republicans were unable to pass any signature legislation through the House other than tax cuts and Obamacare repeals, and squandered the first Republican-controlled unified government in a decade. By contrast, Pelosi was able to push through stimulus packages, healthcare reform, Dodd-Frank, cap and trade, and other major bills through the house, several of which couldn't even get through the Senate—and when in the minority, was able to hold her caucus to a relatively unified front. However centrist you personally believe Pelosi to be doesn't matter. What matters is that she is highly effective at controlling her caucus, and will do everything in her power to enact the legislative promises of whoever ends up being the Democratic nominee in 2020. Does she support Medicare for All? Who knows! Will she support it if the nominee does? Abso-fuckin'-lutely, and she'll get it through the House because she is good at what she does. To get rid of her now is to discard a highly useful ally for a future Democratic President to have, all for the chance of nominating someone who's further to the left for a position where ideology is far less important than the ability to herd cats.
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Nov 18, 2018 02:12
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bob dobbs is dead posted:ocasio-cortez is a coastal democrat and good as hell Good as hell how? She's a freshman congresswoman who has no experience running a complex legislative body or addressing the needs of districts with drastically different political and economic needs than her own.
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Nov 18, 2018 02:18
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She doesn't even have experience as a congresswoman yet. Save the hero worship for someone with an actual track record.
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Nov 18, 2018 02:22
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“Nobody else is as qualified as this lovely person!” is how we ended up with Hilary Clinton as a presidential candidate. You know, the one who lost to Donald loving Trump.
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FrozenVent posted:“Nobody else is as qualified as this lovely person!” is how we ended up with Hilary Clinton as a presidential candidate. Well then we should definitely take more New Yorkers and Californians and keep promoting them. That'll energize the Midwest!
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Nov 18, 2018 02:24
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I'm looking forward to her career in congress, but I agree she needs an election cycle before I start rooting for her as speaker.
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Nov 18, 2018 03:15
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psydude posted:Good as hell how? She's a freshman congresswoman who has no experience running a complex legislative body or addressing the needs of districts with drastically different political and economic needs than her own. I think we need new leadership across the board. I don't really give a poo poo which old rear end dems are bad or to what degree.
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Nov 18, 2018 03:25
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It's like that GoT scene where John Snow has to explain to Tormund what flanking is, except Tormund suggested it without knowing what it is because he once heard a bunch of smart southerners talk about it.
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Nov 18, 2018 03:29
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Duzzy Funlop posted:It's like that GoT scene where John Snow has to explain to Tormund what flanking is, except Tormund suggested it without knowing what it is because he once heard a bunch of smart southerners talk about it. I don't remember that but it sounds vaguely familiar
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Casimir Radon posted:Don't hate her, but so far all she has for sure is a skill for campaigning, and in an easy district at that. easy my rear end. she unseated the head of the queens political machine on 1/10th the budget, on his turf, with a largely volunteer campaign. she did this because she is incredibly good at organizing, and it is no small accomplishment
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45 ACP CURES NAZIS posted:I think we need new leadership across the board. I don't really give a poo poo which old rear end dems are bad or to what degree. "he'll be good because he's an outsider" was one of the justifications for trump, look how that's turned out. people need experience in a job before being made managers of the department.
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My only fear with AOC is that her youthful enthusiasm will be crushed and replaced with bitter cynicism. But I say that about anyone who's younger than me.
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Tryzzub posted:easy my rear end. she unseated the head of the queens political machine on 1/10th the budget, on his turf, with a largely volunteer campaign. she did this because she is incredibly good at organizing, and it is no small accomplishment She won a tough primary campaign, yeah, but winning a general election in a competitive district is a whole different game. e: I don't have an issue with AOC, I just struggle to understand the fandom surrounding her when the only thing we know about her so far is that she runs a great campaign. She has no experience legislating. It makes for an inspirational story, but I can't really say anything else about her other than that. psydude fucked around with this message at 04:23 on Nov 18, 2018 |
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RFC2324 posted:"he'll be good because he's an outsider" was one of the justifications for trump, look how that's turned out. people need experience in a job before being made managers of the department. From the Republican point of view he is good. Likea yeah he's a huge piece of poo poo that has done lasting damage to the US but that's a feature not a bug.
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Nov 18, 2018 04:28
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AOC owns and I donated to her campaign in the primary but yeah definitely needs some time in congress before we start talking about putting her in a top leadership spot.
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45 ACP CURES NAZIS posted:From the Republican point of view he is good. Likea yeah he's a huge piece of poo poo that has done lasting damage to the US but that's a feature not a bug. Most of the criticism I have seen coming from repubs is that he is struggling to get anything done(well, other than that he won't stop tweeting)
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Hey guys reminder that there's a potential government shutdown next month. Donnie hasn't forgotten, and he really wants his wall again.
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RFC2324 posted:Most of the criticism I have seen coming from repubs is that he is struggling to get anything done(well, other than that he won't stop tweeting) i mean he's dumb as poo poo but he is exactly what his base wanted
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Mississippi is having a special election to replace Thad Cochrane that's going to a runoff. In any other year, it would be a slam dunk for the GOP; however, the GOP candidate decided to casually laugh about public hangings and voter suppression while being filmed. Her comments aren't helped by the fact that her opponent is black. Dems are smelling blood in the water post-Alabama and are pouring money into the race because why the hell not. https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...m=.d29d52e0de52 It's still unlikely Espy, the Democratic candidate, wins, but it's 2018 so who the hell knows.
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I highly, highly doubt that Espy will win but I will laugh myself to tears if it happens.
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psydude posted:e: I don't have an issue with AOC, I just struggle to understand the fandom surrounding her when the only thing we know about her so far is that she runs a great campaign. It's pretty easy to understand, -She's a millennial -She's advocating for things that are very popular with millennial's -Her unseating a boomer Dem political machine head speaks for itself -She's living rent free in the right wing's head right now, and that's pretty impressive for someone who hasn't even been sworn in yet. I don't think anyone reasonable thinks she's going to change things all on her own in her first term, but she's a pretty good representation of millennial's starting to become politically aware and active aside from just voting and volunteering.
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Fister Roboto posted:My only fear with AOC is that her youthful enthusiasm will be crushed and replaced with bitter cynicism. Honestly that sounds like you're describing this subforum.
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psydude posted:She won a tough primary campaign, yeah, but winning a general election in a competitive district is a whole different game. tough is an understatement. seriously consider that crowley is not some long time seat holding shmuck; he had a warchest in the millions, in a seat that went uncontested for 14 years because no one dared go up against him, and he is seriously connected in nyc politics. AOC didnt win out of dumb luck, she put in serious hard work. and she did all this with the posterchild of a grassroots campaign. i’m not saying she should be speaker of the house asap, but drat give the congresswoman some credit.
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She's also protesting in Pelosi's office and backing primary challenges to blue dog dems, in addition to having live instragram fireside chats to everyone. She was a major (but not the only) factor in Pelosi offering all the justice dems seats on certain committees. I mean she's pretty much doing everything that one person can do before being actually sworn in, and doing exactly what she promised people that she would do. I think this is the jarring factor to why people are having a cognitive disconnect (not anybody in this thread mind you, I mean like how the news is incapable of combating her)
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