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Zwabu posted:The problem is in Mississippi I'm not sure even with maximal Dem turnout whether there are enough votes to overcome even "meh" GOP turnout. You need 30% of whites apparently, which is a tough lift in a Deep South state with no real cities.
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You would need more than a Roy Moore situation for a Dem to win in Mississippi and these dog whistles comments are not going to come close. They’d need to find bodies in Hyde-Smith’s basement. And they’d need to be White bodies too, because the alternative would play well in that state.
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:You would need more than a Roy Moore situation for a Dem to win in Mississippi and these dog whistles comments are not going to come close. They’d need to find bodies in Hyde-Smith’s basement. And they’d need to be White bodies too, because the alternative would play well in that state. If I had to guess, the risk that Republicans are concerned about is special election turnout (i.e. very low) among republicans, and fired-up democratic turnout, both by Trump and by her racist statements. I don't see any indications she's down, just that things have tightened up to where a big gaffe or two could make things a race (but if she can avoid that, she's gonna cruise to re-election).
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This story hosed me up. Here's a long-ish read from both sides - a guy in Maine who thinks he's helping stem fake news by creating tons of it as satire and watching as Russians co-opt it, and a woman in Nevada who mindlessly signal boosts the satire as reality. Brings everything into stark relief regarding our current status as the information empire slowly consumes us all, and why I'm so grateful for places like this that actually discuss the merits. Incidentally, if you haven't deleted your Facebook account or at least made yourself functionally anonymous on it, do it. You can't kill the beast. You can only starve it. https://www.washingtonpost.com/nati...m=.8bec1eb99041
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Your Boy Fancy posted:Incidentally, if you haven't deleted your Facebook account or at least made yourself functionally anonymous on it, do it. You can't kill the beast. You can only starve it. Pro tip: You can start this process by deleting their app off of your phone. That's what I did without even intending on deleting my account but by removing that mainline it sort of 'deprograms' you and any time you return to the site you just get mad at what a poo poo place it is. Deleting your account will follow soon after. Delete the app. You don't have to be checking it every hour on the hour.
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Your Boy Fancy posted:This story hosed me up. Here's a long-ish read from both sides - a guy in Maine who thinks he's helping stem fake news by creating tons of it as satire and watching as Russians co-opt it, and a woman in Nevada who mindlessly signal boosts the satire as reality. Brings everything into stark relief regarding our current status as the information empire slowly consumes us all, and why I'm so grateful for places like this that actually discuss the merits. Holy poo poo gently caress that rear end in a top hat making $15,000 a month creating fascist propaganda while bleating about how terrible it is that it's so effective
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Your Boy Fancy posted:This story hosed me up. Here's a long-ish read from both sides - a guy in Maine who thinks he's helping stem fake news by creating tons of it as satire and watching as Russians co-opt it, and a woman in Nevada who mindlessly signal boosts the satire as reality. Brings everything into stark relief regarding our current status as the information empire slowly consumes us all, and why I'm so grateful for places like this that actually discuss the merits. baby_boomer.jpg 
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VitalSigns posted:Holy poo poo gently caress that rear end in a top hat making $15,000 a month creating fascist propaganda while bleating about how terrible it is that it's so effective Similarly from what I remember right post election there were a bunch of sites coming from Macedonia of all places where it was kids spreading bullshit and making bank because there were no opportunities for employment otherwise. http://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/fake-news-how-partying-macedonian-teen-earns-thousands-publishing-lies-n692451
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Party Plane Jones posted:Similarly from what I remember right post election there were a bunch of sites coming from Macedonia of all places where it was kids spreading bullshit and making bank because there were no opportunities for employment otherwise. I can’t really hate on the grift. These schemes wouldn’t be possible without the failures of capitalism being covered for by both parties. It was a bipartisan effort to gently caress up as badly as we have, and now grifters and shitbirds have opportunities to bite at the edges of the entire political spectrum because you don’t have to engage with actual politics to be political anymore; this is the end result of politics-as-consumer-identity and only making much deeper structural changes will we ever make it go away. Fake news shops are just a byproduct of a fundamentally dishonest and corrupted process accepted by the entirety of our ruling class.
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Party Plane Jones posted:Similarly from what I remember right post election there were a bunch of sites coming from Macedonia of all places where it was kids spreading bullshit and making bank because there were no opportunities for employment otherwise. There's also this: http://www.latimes.com/business/technology/la-fi-tn-fake-news-20161122-story.html (read the whole thing, it's incredible)
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Party Plane Jones posted:Similarly from what I remember right post election there were a bunch of sites coming from Macedonia of all places where it was kids spreading bullshit and making bank because there were no opportunities for employment otherwise. There have been other "parody" new sites run by liberals in America too doing exactly the same thing. I don't have the article anymore but there was one based out of Las Vegas if I remember correct. It even had several paid staff writing for it. enraged_camel posted:There's also this: edit: I still can't believe how absurdly profitable this grift is. Squalid fucked around with this message at 20:57 on Nov 18, 2018 |
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Party Plane Jones posted:Similarly from what I remember right post election there were a bunch of sites coming from Macedonia of all places where it was kids spreading bullshit and making bank because there were no opportunities for employment otherwise. Yeah I knew about that and I can't really blame poor kids for making money in the only way available to them. But that American liberal dude making bank while telling himself he's fighting fake news as he creates fake news that gets shared hundreds of thousands of times, he can tell himself that he's trying to deprogram conservatives honest but he's full of poo poo because his own advertising numbers show this doesn't work.
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His livelihood now depends on not realizing that he's doing an evil thing. And there's no easier way to put up walls of cognitive dissonance to defend your actions.
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Your Boy Fancy posted:This story hosed me up. Here's a long-ish read from both sides - a guy in Maine who thinks he's helping stem fake news by creating tons of it as satire and watching as Russians co-opt it, and a woman in Nevada who mindlessly signal boosts the satire as reality. Brings everything into stark relief regarding our current status as the information empire slowly consumes us all, and why I'm so grateful for places like this that actually discuss the merits. Honestly, and as this article kind of points out, there's a judgement factor too it as well and how people chose to use these tools. Like if a person choose to go on social media and believe stories that there's a laser in the sky shooting beams at Earth starting the California wildfires when there's plausible scientific evidence that it's something else more common causing it (or even climate change) then that's a personal judgement call. If a person chooses to go on a social site and just shitpost the day away spreading disinformation, hate speech, and memes while believing the very first thing they hear on it because it's stated as some sort of popular meme or something then that's also their personal choice. At the same time these internet empires like facebook and twitter need to continue to have their feet held to the fire over what they allow on the platform, but IMO they didn't personally make a lot of people be stupid as gently caress on the internet the past 10 years or so. They just provided the platform for what is arguably resulting in the decline of the information age into decadence and shitposting. The internet really was a pretty different place even as recently as the early parts of the 2010's.
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Your Boy Fancy posted:This story hosed me up. Here's a long-ish read from both sides - a guy in Maine who thinks he's helping stem fake news by creating tons of it as satire and watching as Russians co-opt it, and a woman in Nevada who mindlessly signal boosts the satire as reality. Brings everything into stark relief regarding our current status as the information empire slowly consumes us all, and why I'm so grateful for places like this that actually discuss the merits. This reminds me of Cow Clicker, a stupid game meant to satirize the skinner box nature of social games that ended up becoming very popular and spawning a whole new genre of "clicker" games.
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:I hate the racist boomer lady in that article so bad. I hope she falls down in that trailer of hers and no one is around to help. Someone cut off her LifeAlert. I'm not even sure she's what you should be directing your ire at, IMO. quote:It was barely dawn in Pahrump, Nev., when Shirley Chapian, 76, logged onto Facebook for her morning computer game of Criminal Case. She believed in starting each day with a problem-solving challenge, a quick mental exercise to keep her brain sharp more than a decade into retirement. For a while it had been the daily crossword puzzle, but then the local newspaper stopped delivering and a friend introduced her to the viral Facebook game with 65 million players. She spent an hour as a 1930s detective, interrogating witnesses and trying to parse their lies from the truth until finally she solved case No. 48 and clicked over to her Facebook news feed. The lady just wanted something else that wasn't a crossword puzzle, to keep her brain sharp, and the machine sucked her down the rabbit hole and turned her into the opposite of her goal. That tells you everything you need to know about modern Facebook. VitalSigns posted:Yeah I knew about that and I can't really blame poor kids for making money in the only way available to them. This guy infuriates me. His private network of 100 people to poo poo on people who take the bait and then report the racist posts? Who are you saving? What have you accomplished? Now they've got confirmation that there ARE traps waiting for people Just Like Them, and the only safe place to go is deeper inside. And he thinks he's the loving good guy. He's not even the Black Mirror guy with the shard of glass against his neck. He's not even THAT brave. He's just another rear end in a top hat profiting off the end of civilization. The best place to be, the only place to be, is outside, around friends, building a better world. Even if that better world is just meeting new friends at the local wrestling show or a god damned craft fair. Even if it's fixing tail lights and organizing rent strikes. The only way out of this awful world is to throw our phones into the sea and being around people. Agh.
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Nov 18, 2018 22:08
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Data Graham posted:Wing Commander guy, noooo The Price of Freedom is fake news.
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:you are, you just got lucky with a better forum Something Awful has always known the internet makes you stupid, and that alone has saved us
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Acebuckeye13 posted:Something Awful has always known the internet makes you stupid, and that alone has saved us That was a slogan coined before the advent of social media which took it to a whole other level. I'm pretty sure Lowtax and co were originally just poking fun at places like Gaia online. I'm really glad i got to experience the internet before Facebook and Twitter become such major hubs for it that arguably define the culture of the internet now retroactively. Like it had its downsides and could readily make you stupid but those two platforms really expedited the absolute worst it has to offer infecting the mainstream in ways i never expected. The fact that people continue to profit off of spreading disinformation and constantly hide behind excuses like "just shitposting for the lulz gais" and "just exercising my free speech rights" remains pretty galling too. Kale fucked around with this message at 23:50 on Nov 18, 2018 |
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Data Graham posted:Wing Commander guy, noooo We kind of do in a sense of distrusting the framing of a lot of mainstream pundit’s framing of issues. And thinking basically anything out of Breitbart, InfoWars, Fox, etc. are mostly lies. Except we live in reality where these biases are repeatedly shown to be accurate biases as confirmed by numerous independent sources. Climate scientists aren’t loving all lying about hard data that’s been collected over decades and available for public viewing. “Death panels” and other bullshit fantasy things crafted to smear progressives aren’t real. So I wouldn’t worry too much about it because we have people actually knowledgeable on their fields that come in with sources to correct common misunderstandings. This is a side effect of the mass scale gaslighting the right has been doing for so long. Trying to make sane people feel like maybe their obviously and certifiably correct positions might just be a personal bias like the cultists they spawned.
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Kale posted:I'm really glad i got to experience the internet before Facebook and Twitter become such major hubs for it that arguably define the culture of the internet now retroactively. Like it had its downsides and could readily make you stupid but those two platforms really expedited the absolute worst it has to offer infecting the mainstream in ways i never expected. The fact that people continue to profit off of spreading disinformation and constantly hide behind excuses like "just shitposting for the lulz gais" and "just exercising my free speech rights" remains pretty galling too.
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RasperFat posted:So I wouldn’t worry too much about it because we have people actually knowledgeable on their fields that come in with sources to correct common misunderstandings. You should. The problem with blind spots is you can’t see them. Just having smart people around doesn’t protect you from systemic bias.
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https://twitter.com/TomthunkitsMind/status/1063598154367606784 https://twitter.com/JamilSmith/status/1064302189655584768 marshmonkey fucked around with this message at 02:35 on Nov 19, 2018 |
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Nov 19, 2018 02:03
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The scorpion stung me?! How could I have ever seen this coming!
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Fake news, Russian disinformation campaigns, social media shitposting...I don't think any if it would have caught on so well if we didn't have a society being destabilized by the wealthy and a government no longer working for its citizens. People, at a gut level, know everything is hosed up and stacked against them so they're searching for the thing to be righteously pissed off at about it. All those things above are stirring the poo poo up but we've been brewing this pot for decades.
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Squalid posted:You should. The problem with blind spots is you can’t see them. Just having smart people around doesn’t protect you from systemic bias. Yes I should clarify that you should still check in with legitimate experts and long-respected sources. Just because a group is smart doesn’t mean they aren’t wrong as poo poo about something repeatedly. Doctors and engineers immediately come to mind as examples of being collectively stupid despite being (presumably) intelligent individuals.
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Skippy McPants posted:The scorpion stung me?! How could I have ever seen this coming! I'm actually kind of curious on what the guy was expecting. It wasn't like Trump was hiding who he was all these years.
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Nonsense posted:Floridians need to vote anyone in power out. Kinda difficult
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