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Man I love it when you nominate a successor and give them an electoral position to make it easier except then that person votes against themselves.
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Well, I just had my second Crusade and the Pope decided to give Jerusalem to my son and heir. Thank you?
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I'm not sure if this is a bug, but I just declared a holy war on a Buddhist Nomadic Horde. They called both the Byzantines (Orthodox) and the Seljuks (Sunni) in as allies. And no, they weren't vassals of the Nomads either. Also in general, why are Nomads so strong? I had a 10k stack go against a 5k nomad stack (same amount of HA) and the Nomads won.
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Blooming Brilliant posted:I'm not sure if this is a bug, but I just declared a holy war on a Buddhist Nomadic Horde. did you have really high threat? at some point defensive pacts can cross religious lines
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Blooming Brilliant posted:I'm not sure if this is a bug, but I just declared a holy war on a Buddhist Nomadic Horde. Could be a lot of factors. Light cavalry for example is a good quality troop, a lot better than light infantry for example. Horde armies exclusively consist of light or heavy cavalry, and horse archers. It's not too unusual to beat a bigger number of soldiers with higher quality troops. There are also certain modifiers for tengris, enhancing their cavalry armies, as well as special buildings in the nomad capital, giving cavalry bonuses as well. Also, there are certain battlefield tactics that make all cavalry armies really powerful. As for why they were able to call in the Byzantines and Seljuks, they perhaps had marriage alliances? Check the character page of the khan, under the ledger "pacts", you can see what alliances and non-aggression pacts they have. If you hover over them, it will also tell you the source of the pact/alliance.
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Blooming Brilliant posted:I'm not sure if this is a bug, but I just declared a holy war on a Buddhist Nomadic Horde. Also you probably suffered under the awful threat mechanic
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Blooming Brilliant posted:I'm not sure if this is a bug, but I just declared a holy war on a Buddhist Nomadic Horde. horse archers are gud, plus if you engage in a steppe province (maybe plains as well?) I believe they get some nasty bonuses. If you are like me you will also inevitably forget that the Khagan can call the other clans in as well
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Volkerball posted:Has anyone toyed around with using a dynamic mercenary company as a varangian guard of sorts? I'd like to dump like 10k into one and then put it on permanent retainer, but I'm not sure it's possible to do it cost effectively even in my rich rear end silk road republic game. And I'd be afraid of it disbanding when a leader dies or through an event or something and my initial investment disappearing. Any ideas? I'm not sure if those types of mercenaries disband when the leader dies or not either. They're not actually your vassal when you form them though right? Probably the best way would be to give them money until they get enough men to siege a holding, then hire them when you're purposely broke so they attack you, let them win, then vassalize them later, either by just offering it if they're in your de jure lands or using the force vassalization cb. It's been a long time since I've vassalized a mercenary company but I think they'd be basically just like the varangians for the byzantines then. If you try this post the outcome because I'd be interested to see how it works with the dynamic companies. Will they get absolutely huge if they're constantly pulling in income from holdings? Speaking of vassalizing weird things, any tips on vassalizing holy orders? I probably could've figured out a way but I was dealing with other things in my africa game and it wasn't immediately apparent how I was going to do it with their holy order. e: I just loaded it up to check and I'm getting a big hit on offering vassalization due to the leader of the spirit guardians being of a foreign culture, but since I wiped out basically every other african culture that shouldn't be a problem much longer and enough bribes / swaying might be able to do it. GokuGoesSSj69 fucked around with this message at 23:28 on Nov 21, 2018 |
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So it turns out if you hate your wife you get a different response to the message people are trying to kill her. I loving love this game.
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Assassinate my wife, please!
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Grizzwold posted:So it turns out if you hate your wife you get a different response to the message people are trying to kill her. can you join the plot
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Wait, you can refuse a strong claim duel? So how do I get the Kingdom of my idiot brother? Who is the idiot now?
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Hah. Okay, here's a silly error. You may remember they mentioned, in the dev diary on the return of Hellenism, they mentioned that if a Greek-cultured character reforms the Hellenic faith, the gods return to their Greek names instead of the Roman equivalents. But someone submitted a bug report saying that this wasn't happening, and indeed I found the same in my greek amazon game - not only did they keep the Roman names, but I didn't divest the male gods despite using the enatic clans. It's quite odd, as they have this whole section of code written in scripted_effects to change gods around - not just for Hellenism, but for all the pagan faiths. You're supposed to be able to keep just the male or female gods by using agnatic or enatic clans, or have a single high god and nothing else if you take Dogmatic nature. Plus Hellenism potentially switching to Poseidon/Neptune as their high god if they take seafaring. The problem? The line that actually calls that code has been commented out. That's it. I took out the #, and it works. (Not totally perfectly, admittedly; they switched the english and french localisation for GOD_GREEK_JUPITER, so it says Zeús instead of Zeus, and for some reason I can't immediately figure out the extra copy of Zeus that appears in the "gods" column instead of "high god" is just blank. But still, mostly working.) Bit of an oversight there. edit: Oh, I forgot to mention one of the best bits in the commented-out code: If you take Holy Family, the reformer's family (self, spouse, one child, one sibling) all become gods of the religion. If you take holy family with temporal head, the reformer becomes the High God of the religion. Strudel Man fucked around with this message at 01:20 on Nov 22, 2018 |
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GokuGoesSSJ3 posted:Speaking of vassalizing weird things, any tips on vassalizing holy orders? I probably could've figured out a way but I was dealing with other things in my africa game and it wasn't immediately apparent how I was going to do it with their holy order. Relative size and power matters as well. In a past Zoroastrian game, Charlemagne start instead of Old Gods, I started as a Sogdian vassal of the Abbasid tributaries up in Transoxiana; when I reformed the Persian Empire, the Immortals took issue to my not being Persian and refused to accept being my vassals despite, you know, them continuing the legacy of the royal army of the Persian emperor, i.e. Me, and since their military might was comparable to my own they seemed to feel like they'd rather do their own thing. It was annoying. Conveniently, however, the moabadan-moabad had declared a great holy war for Syria or something around that same time. So I called on the Immortals, which they readily accepted of course, and marched them into the enemy. Then I directed them to places other than my own army and had them storm every holding they encountered for a while; their massive numbers made it so they took over them all quickly, but they also suffered massive casualties. Once I had reduced them to about a quarter of their original size, maybe less, I asked them again if they would accept vassalage. They were much more compliant then.
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 There is sooo much burning to get that raider bloodline. Fastest i've reformed Germanic though  Got it done in 7-8 years. My bloodline has those thre lines from Saga, my sister Matrilinially married Ragnarr Lodbrok, and Sigudr's wife ended up hero of the lodge and went plundering with me, founding her own line, so my sister's kids have a line form her and Ragnarr, while my kids got those three. if we incest right, looking at 5 blood lines from 3 family members.
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When it comes to holy order vassalization, just wait until some dudes of your culture and preferrably your dynasty get elected to lead then vassalize? Like, this scenario is exactly what that event is for. Dynastic prestige and size will eventually solve the problem, but tbh vassalizing holy orders is very meh for pagans because it means that you're weakened your faith as a whole for your benefit. I really wish, btw, that I could shame fuckers into joining my holy wars like I assume the pope can. Not joining my great holy wars is loving rear end and while I can usually take them on alone it's dumb as hell. winterwerefox posted:
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I never thought about that. i likely killed and ransomed off a bunch when i was earning my raider line. Future goals then!
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GokuGoesSSJ3 posted:I'm not sure if those types of mercenaries disband when the leader dies or not either. They're not actually your vassal when you form them though right? Probably the best way would be to give them money until they get enough men to siege a holding, then hire them when you're purposely broke so they attack you, let them win, then vassalize them later, either by just offering it if they're in your de jure lands or using the force vassalization cb. It's been a long time since I've vassalized a mercenary company but I think they'd be basically just like the varangians for the byzantines then. If you try this post the outcome because I'd be interested to see how it works with the dynamic companies. Will they get absolutely huge if they're constantly pulling in income from holdings? Nah, they're not technically vassals. What I do know is that they don't invest money in themselves. It all just goes into the pocket of the grand master. The only person who can make them bigger is the head of the realm that created them, but the initial costs are dirt cheap. 50 gold for 100 cav or 100 LI, and you can upgrade the LI to pikemen or w/e, and light cav to heavy cav with another 50 gold. You get I think 15 percent of what they make. There is a use for early game characters as you can make a mercenary company, invest a bit into it until it's in the 100 gold initial hiring range, and it will bring in a bunch of money for you. I'm not sure how it would work with a vassalized dynamic mercenary company or one on permanent hire. I'll probably tinker around with it in the console a bit to see what my options are when I get to that point. On a related note, China just entered a golden age and I just set a personal record for income by thousands.  I still have like 30+ silk road trade posts to conquer.  Imagine a late game Chinese golden age with my dynasty on the Chinese throne, and a doubling of the silk road value on top of these boosts from the grace decision. loving hell. Maybe a few hundred a month upkeep on a dynamic mercenary company filled to the brim with heavy cav is an option after all. I'm hype to find out.
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Deceitful Penguin posted:When it comes to holy order vassalization, just wait until some dudes of your culture and preferrably your dynasty get elected to lead then vassalize? Leaders of holy orders automatically change culture when they get elected. If you have Rajas of India, you could have your heir educated Persian, vassalize the order, then switch back to your capitol's culture.
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So the cool crusade prep mechanic is catholic only? Cause I just had my reformed germanic religious head shout we're going to france now without any fanfare.
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the fat, gay, white goonlord who identifies as black is the richest man in the world. goty
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Stairmaster posted:So the cool crusade prep mechanic is catholic only? Cause I just had my reformed germanic religious head shout we're going to france now without any fanfare. Yes, it's Catholic only, everybody else's stayed the same.
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Jedit posted:Erm ... she stopped because she died. exactly the goal was to gently caress op over and then die
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Strudel Man posted:Hah. Okay, here's a silly error. You may remember they mentioned, in the dev diary on the return of Hellenism, they mentioned that if a Greek-cultured character reforms the Hellenic faith, the gods return to their Greek names instead of the Roman equivalents. But someone submitted a bug report saying that this wasn't happening, and indeed I found the same in my greek amazon game - not only did they keep the Roman names, but I didn't divest the male gods despite using the enatic clans. It's quite odd, as they have this whole section of code written in scripted_effects to change gods around - not just for Hellenism, but for all the pagan faiths. You're supposed to be able to keep just the male or female gods by using agnatic or enatic clans, or have a single high god and nothing else if you take Dogmatic nature. Plus Hellenism potentially switching to Poseidon/Neptune as their high god if they take seafaring. poo poo, for real? That rules. @paradox fix/re-implement this asap for my Immersion
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Well it doesn't matter now cause my reformed germanic king got succeeded by an orthodox one whose now a member of the warriors of perun and working on spreading the slavic faith throughout denmark
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I'm trying to change to primogeniture but don't understand what the condition "Any Held Title is a Viceroyalty" means. I've looked up that a viceroyalty is a title that returns to the crown on a vassal's death, but don't know how I go about getting one. I'm the King of Pictland with two duchies controlled directly and a few others handed to vassals. edit: nevermind, I just fulfilled another condition and now I can pass the law? I'm assuming the conditions are just presented poorly and the "one of these must be true" part refers to having a viceroyalty or being late/imperial. snoremac fucked around with this message at 04:50 on Nov 22, 2018 |
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snoremac posted:I'm trying to change to primogeniture but don't understand what the condition "Any Held Title is a Viceroyalty" means. I've looked up that a viceroyalty is a title that returns to the crown on a vassal's death, but don't know how I go about getting one. I'm the King of Pictland with two duchies controlled directly and a few others handed to vassals. That condition would be disqualifying, you don't want to fulfill it. Viceroyalties don't let you change the inheritance method because they use that to give the title back to the owner's lord on death.
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So grabbed Conclave and the Old Gods. I'm thinking about Jade Dragon, because ancient china would be neat to play, but does that also give my Khmer and other SEA civs to be available? Curious about Reapers Due as well.
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China isn't actually playable, the closest you can get is playing the Western Protectorate. This is as far as the map goes: 
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Galaga Galaxian posted:China isn't actually playable, the closest you can get is playing the Western Protectorate. Ah crummy, I figured it would be like EU where it was just the middle of Asia and Africa that wasn't accessable. Oh I was wondering where you got Retinues, and its part of the Legacy of Rome DLC. I should get that and Chalemange, they seem to add the most neat stuff. twistedmentat fucked around with this message at 06:37 on Nov 22, 2018 |
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twistedmentat posted:Ah crummy, I figured it would be like EU where it was just the middle of Asia and Africa that wasn't accessable. Did you read my overview of the DLCs in the OP? If you did, you would know that after Conclave and Old Gods, Way of Life is the third must have DLC 
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After a thousand hours I never knew this screen existed. How do you get there?
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Captain Mediocre posted:After a thousand hours I never knew this screen existed. How do you get there? press F1
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Galaga Galaxian posted:China isn't actually playable, the closest you can get is playing the Western Protectorate. Britain is NOT a small country!
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Various Meat Products posted:press F1 Specifically, that's the bottom half of the Title screen, which you can get to by pressing F1, or by clicking the shield next to your character's portrait, or the shield next to somebody else's portrait if you're feeling curious.
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JosefStalinator posted:Britain is NOT a small country! Did you know that Iceland is about half as big as the Iberian Peninsula??? (And Greenland about as big as Africa!)
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Stupid Saxony converting as soon as I reform so I cannot Holy War the poo poo out of them 
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darthbob88 posted:Specifically, that's the bottom half of the Title screen, which you can get to by pressing F1, or by clicking the shield next to your character's portrait, or the shield next to somebody else's portrait if you're feeling curious. No. No you just put that there. No way has that been there every time I've looked at the drat title screen for years.
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The Cheshire Cat posted:That condition would be disqualifying, you don't want to fulfill it. Viceroyalties don't let you change the inheritance method because they use that to give the title back to the owner's lord on death. (*)One of these must be true: (X)Any held title: (X)Is a Viceroyalty I guess the X signifies “you must not have a viceroyalty” instead of “you haven’t met this condition”?
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Can you get the murder bloodline through assassinations, or does it have to be executions? Also, I played around a bit with the Assassins society, and there doesn't seem to be that much new stuff there, unfortunately.
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