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Milo and POTUS posted:It's alabama, so... Yeah, yeah... 
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Nov 25, 2018 23:04
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Waroduce posted:I wonder what the ROEs on the border are rn I'm gonna guess: Army: If you get shot at you'd better just fuckin duck and leave your weapon on safe. Border Patrol: lol who is roe?
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psydude posted:My point was that a social democracy doesn't mean command economics or the complete abandonment of the core benefits of a market economy. Conservatives in the US have poisoned the image of public health, education, and welfare by equating it to the failed authoritarian socialist regimes of the 20th century, and left wing ideologists in the US have done an awful job of explaining why caring for those who are less fortunate doesn't mean bread lines or prefab brutalist apartments. I get that, my point was that social democracy =! socialism. By equating the 2 you're basically conceding the point to the conservatives. People here who support our welfare state (including me) as a rule, don't actually consider themselves to be socialists. Even the actual serious left "socialist party" has explicitly removed socialism from their party program decades ago so they became electorally viable and considered renaming into the social party. Now, none of this really matters, because it's just words. But I think it's nice to keep in mind that the people in those western countries the American left describes as examples of socialism done right, have a different conception of what that means and generally don't consider themselves to be socialist at all. Anyway, this all started with a throwaway shitpost by me basically complaining about "people abroad having differing definitions of words and mine are right goddamnit", so it doesn't really matter. tl;dr If you're in Europe people are going to look at you bemusedly if you describe their system as socialist.
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I hope this Russia poo poo doesn't pop off into WW3 in the midst of Trump making GBS threads on NATO
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Nov 25, 2018 23:20
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Nov 25, 2018 23:24
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If only there were another compassionate, humane way to respond, but thankfully our strong leader knows the truth that the barefoot little girl is a criminal
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Nov 25, 2018 23:28
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 Nothing says "Loving and Compassionate country" like launching tear gas on kids.
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Nov 25, 2018 23:28
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SimonCat posted:Comparing 3 high schools in 3 different states from the nearly 40,000 high schools in the USA doesn't show a trend. Thanks D&D bot please make us a graph demonstrating when a trend would be established for this set you putz
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Nov 25, 2018 23:30
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Yeah boys. https://twitter.com/PavloKlimkin/status/1066819799144108032 YEAH BOYS. https://twitter.com/Liveuamap/status/1066820308374560768 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9qbRHY1l0vc
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Nov 25, 2018 23:30
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So what's the plan with Ukraine if "war were declared"? Interdict and gently caress with Russian shipping on the black sea and play defense everywhere else?
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Nov 25, 2018 23:36
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Wow, going to war with NATO, who would have thought we would have to do this?
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Defenestrategy posted:So what's the plan with Ukraine if "war were declared"? Interdict and gently caress with Russian shipping on the black sea and play defense everywhere else? Start negotiating with Putin for developers’ rights for the new Trump Hotel in Kiev.
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Nov 25, 2018 23:42
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<gets out Harpoon stuff, hurriedly updates old scenarios>
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Nov 25, 2018 23:46
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https://twitter.com/albertopradilla/status/1066811503796502530 mexico US border
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Nov 25, 2018 23:47
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AlexanderCA posted:I get that, my point was that social democracy =! socialism. By equating the 2 you're basically conceding the point to the conservatives. People here who support our welfare state (including me) as a rule, don't actually consider themselves to be socialists. Even the actual serious left "socialist party" has explicitly removed socialism from their party program decades ago so they became electorally viable and considered renaming into the social party. What do you even think Socialism is, then? Because you've just gone down a list of different socialist things and said they're not socialist because you support them and you're not socialist.
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Nov 26, 2018 00:23
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Weekends are socialist.
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maffew buildings posted:Wow, going to war with NATO, who would have thought we would have to do this? Ukraine isn't part of NATO. Russia has shot down a civilian airliner and murdered people on foreign soil using chemical agents with impunity, this isn't going to start WWIII
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Nov 26, 2018 00:28
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Apparently if you're not being hosed (literally or figuratively) by a bully, that's socialism.
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Nick Soapdish posted:Ukraine isn't part of NATO. Russia has shot down a civilian airliner and murdered people on foreign soil using chemical agents with impunity, this isn't going to start WWIII Legit question, will anything start WWIII? Putin seems willing to keep pushing the boundary's of what he can do before we do something.
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BigDave posted:Legit question, will anything start WWIII? gently caress with NATOs actual borders?
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Nov 26, 2018 00:41
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Hot Karl Marx posted:https://twitter.com/albertopradilla/status/1066811503796502530 I love making america great again.
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Nick Soapdish posted:gently caress with NATOs actual borders? France, Brit, or Germany. Everyone else is probably fair game.
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Nov 26, 2018 01:28
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Nick Soapdish posted:Ukraine isn't part of NATO. Russia has shot down a civilian airliner and murdered people on foreign soil using chemical agents with impunity, this isn't going to start WWIII An airliner carrying many citizens of a NATO country, at that. Did congress force the administration to start providing lethal aid to Ukraine as part of the NDAA, or am I completely making that up in my head?
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Nov 26, 2018 01:33
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Internet Wizard posted:What do you even think Socialism is, then? Because you've just gone down a list of different socialist things and said they're not socialist because you support them and you're not socialist. Uh, communal/state ownership of (most) capital? Thats the fundamental bit. That ranges from worker owned cooperatives competing in a market to a soviet style command economy.
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Nov 26, 2018 01:37
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That's state socialism. We really need better words for this poo poo.
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Nov 26, 2018 01:39
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psydude posted:An airliner carrying many citizens of a NATO country, at that. Yup, roughly 200 of our citizens (in a country of 17 million, so imagine ~4000 americans getting shot down), yet we still have 2 pro russian quasi fascist partied getting 15% of the voten 
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AlexanderCA posted:Uh, communal/state ownership of (most) capital? Thats the fundamental bit. That ranges from worker owned cooperatives competing in a market to a soviet style command economy. What’s the difference between that and communism?
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Vasudus posted:That's state socialism. Worker owned coops arent state socialism I think. The state doesnt own them. The words are twisted by republican messaging in the US, for sure though.
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Internet Wizard posted:What’s the difference between that and communism? A actual socialist or communist probably has a better answer. But the distinction as I understood it is that the ultimate goal of communism is including the goal of fully eliminating class and scarcity. So a socialist society might have a certain degree of stratification and rationing of resources, communists ultimately seek to go beyond socialism. Edit; also abolition of the nation state.
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MRC48B posted:In a lot of counties in that area, the primary language used to be German. It mysteriously stopped in 1917, for some reason.
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Nov 26, 2018 01:59
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Internet Wizard posted:What do you even think Socialism is, then? Because you've just gone down a list of different socialist things and said they're not socialist because you support them and you're not socialist. he doesn't have a point, he's just being a dipshit euro pedant, a time honored tradition on these gay comedy forums
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AlexanderCA posted:Uh, communal/state ownership of (most) capital? Thats the fundamental bit. That ranges from worker owned cooperatives competing in a market to a soviet style command economy. This definition defines state capitalisms such as modern day China, which represents a significant departure from socialism as portrayed in 80s USSR which is different from that of 50s USSR and China, which is all together different from the Christian Democracy parties that evolved into the successful parts of the European economy that aren't Britain or Germany. Moreover, the quoted definition describes (some) facist dictatorships, monarchies, classic aristocracies and colonial governments. These words are hard, but I can understand why peoples living in daytrip range to the old Soviet border might be shooting for more specificity in then language. Unfortunately, I don't know of a generally accepted Linnaean style classification system for governments (since politicians are wordmongers), but it would help.
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Fair enough, definitions are hard.
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I would argue that the practical definition would be any government that has UBI, UHC, job programs that actually aren't huge scams, free K-12, and free or significantly discounted post-secondary education. On top of that a government that isn't actively hostile towards unions, and has the ability to reign in corporations when capitalism runs amok. How they pay for those programs is the wildcard, because populations, corporations, and natural resources vary wildly.
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Nov 26, 2018 02:47
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Aside from UBI that roughly describes The Netherlands. But I expect nearly noone here is going to suddenly consider the country socialist if that ever is implemented. Does self identification matter then? .
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Trying to disconnect national identity and history from a government is hard and there's whole areas of Sociology and Political Science theory that try it, but that's largely the framework as I see it. How they deal with everyday citizens, how they deal with corporations, and how they pay for it.
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Nov 26, 2018 03:10
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Nov 26, 2018 03:21
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How's that frantic effort to rehabilitate zwarte piet into something not hilariously racist going
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