|
enraged_camel posted:This one doesn't have anything to do with Donny. They are also shutting down all operations in Oshawa, Ontario: They are also closing US plants in Detroit and Lordstown, Ohio, and transmission plants in Baltimore, Maryland and Warren, Michigan. https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/26/...6KSDhz0LJzi4gSI Ironically, GM is justifying it as a restructuring to focus on lower emissions vehicles and losses to tariffs CommieGIR fucked around with this message at 16:57 on Nov 26, 2018 |
#
?
Nov 26, 2018 16:55
|
|
|
|
| # ? Jun 5, 2024 08:05 |
|
|
enraged_camel posted:This one doesn't have anything to do with Donny. They are also shutting down all operations in Oshawa, Ontario: No it does. Ohio and Michigan look to be losing plants and this article cites $1bil in tariff costs to gm.
|
|
#
?
Nov 26, 2018 16:56
|
|
|
Here's the real kicker about the GM thing. Back in 2009, the Ontario government received GM shares in return for helping bail out GM and other automakers. Over the years, they sold their shares to raise money for public projects. The last of the shares were sold earlier in May. The union representing the workers argued against it, saying they should hold on to the shares so they have a lever to use to encourage GM to invest more in Ontario (and discourage them from leaving). No one listened. And, lo-and-behold... More info here: https://www.theglobeandmail.com/report-on-business/ontario-sells-gm-shares-for-11-billion/article22797007/
|
|
#
?
Nov 26, 2018 17:01
|
|
|
enraged_camel posted:Here's the real kicker about the GM thing. Either way, they are also shuttering for American plants as well. This totally is a result of the tariffs.
|
|
#
?
Nov 26, 2018 17:04
|
|
|
what public projects did the Canada gov pay for, maybe the calculation back then and even now is sound financially and ideologically, why bend the knee to a corp that chases quarterly numbers when you can get long term public works funded?Pablo Nergigante posted:Remember Orly Taitz? Lol. Not really. Also I like how its been hours since my food additive post for them to reuse it. e2: haveblue posted:I remember thinking that "Birther Queen" sounded like something I should find at the end of a Resident Evil game. She wrote a book about and had a section beeing super racist against Ms. Obama and how she ate bbq ribs. PhazonLink fucked around with this message at 17:10 on Nov 26, 2018 |
|
#
?
Nov 26, 2018 17:05
|
|
|
Pablo Nergigante posted:Remember Orly Taitz? Lol. I remember thinking that "Birther Queen" sounded like something I should find at the end of a Resident Evil game.
|
|
#
?
Nov 26, 2018 17:06
|
|
|
eke out posted:I don't want to get my hopes up but this really does feel like 'I'm getting indicted today' level panic Die in prison.
|
|
#
?
Nov 26, 2018 17:11
|
|
|
haveblue posted:I remember thinking that "Birther Queen" sounded like something I should find at the end of a Resident Evil game. Or like in a shmup like Darius or something  WARNING: BIRTHER QUEEN ORLY TAITZ APPROACHING
|
|
#
?
Nov 26, 2018 17:12
|
|
|
WampaLord posted:Sweatshops reduced poverty, poverty bad, therefore, sweatshops good! And if something is good, it clearly must the best possible way to accomplish anything. There's no way we could have reduced poverty without sweatshops, otherwise we wouldn't live in this, the best possible of all worlds! To be fair, this is basically the only possible end result of data-driven politics, especially when there's no willingness to critically analyze the context of the data and/or to treat deeper drives into the data as context. Action x improved metric y by z%, so x is good since z is an acceptable amount of improvement. The more data you have, the easier it is to overwhelm people with "facts" that don't actually say anything useful. It's exceptionally annoying, too, because it's essentially a perversion of how this kind of data should be used. Having a ton of detailed data is a great way to determine if good policies are working and, if not, to try to figure out how they can be fixed. It's incredibly hosed up to instead take that data and use it to retroactively justify policies that are self-evidently bad. It's even more hosed up to then use that as a cudgel to argue against other, better policies.
|
|
#
?
Nov 26, 2018 17:16
|
|
|
lemonadesweetheart posted:I'm not disagreeing about the contents of the articles but this guy sure does seem to like doing articles about sex work. Maybe it's not skeevy. This sorta attitude hurts sex workers and essentially weakens advocacy for them.
|
|
#
?
Nov 26, 2018 17:16
|
|
|
mcmagic posted:Die in prison. You don't rot in prison forever to avoid a single Federal perjury charge unless you have a really good reason to. I wonder what that reason is.
|
|
#
?
Nov 26, 2018 17:17
|
|
|
Groovelord Neato posted:corsi was probably the biggest birther before trump and it's nutty seeing his name back in the news. Two of those plants, Hamtramck and Warren Transmission, are within 10/15 minutes of my house. It's going to be devastating to the region.
|
|
#
?
Nov 26, 2018 17:19
|
|
|
Paradoxish posted:To be fair, this is basically the only possible end result of data-driven politics, especially when there's no willingness to critically analyze the context of the data and/or to treat deeper drives into the data as context. Action x improved metric y by z%, so x is good since z is an acceptable amount of improvement. The more data you have, the easier it is to overwhelm people with "facts" that don't actually say anything useful. Specifically what better policies do you have in mind because I kept asking that yesterday and nobody had an answer.
|
|
#
?
Nov 26, 2018 17:22
|
|
|
In similar discussion regarding sex workers, I noticed this new "trend" of incels reporting women's snap chat to the IRS. Turns out, reporting someone to IRS is not as simple as knowing their snap chat name or their name  You need to know A LOT of info to report someone to the IRS Also the "I'm loving being audited" tweet cannot be located anywhere, just an image
|
|
#
?
Nov 26, 2018 17:23
|
|
|
CroatianAlzheimers posted:Two of those plants, Hamtramck and Warren Transmission, are within 10/15 minutes of my house. It's going to be devastating to the region. I’m curious about this. A lot of these plants are in blue collar, working class counties. They’re usually the center spoke for the entire community. A lot of them are in red districts. It makes me wonder if there’s going to be a moment of clarity where people will go “oh poo poo, Trump turbo-hosed us,” or if the cult mentality has gotten so bad and deeply ingrained that we get the “Obama’s fault” rhetoric. Like how much reality has to crash through your window before you start recognizing it?
|
|
#
?
Nov 26, 2018 17:23
|
|
|
CroatianAlzheimers posted:Two of those plants, Hamtramck and Warren Transmission, are within 10/15 minutes of my house. It's going to be devastating to the region. Also Ford is laying off 25k, and I was one of them. Its going to get bad.
|
|
#
?
Nov 26, 2018 17:24
|
|
|
Good job 35% of union workers in MI and OH who voted for Trump. Useful idiots.
|
|
#
?
Nov 26, 2018 17:25
|
|
|
I grew up in that area, that is going to turn it into a wasteland. The cascade of lost jobs is going to be catastrophic.
|
|
#
?
Nov 26, 2018 17:27
|
|
|
CroatianAlzheimers posted:Two of those plants, Hamtramck and Warren Transmission, are within 10/15 minutes of my house. It's going to be devastating to the region. When I saw those two names in there I winced. That is devastating. Hamtramck especially, is enormous.
|
|
#
?
Nov 26, 2018 17:29
|
|
|
eke out posted:apparently Corsi is still just basically blabbing to everyone he can Sing for Bob, you loving coward.
|
|
#
?
Nov 26, 2018 17:32
|
|
|
So will these areas blame Trump or Pelosi for losing their livelihoods I wonder
|
|
#
?
Nov 26, 2018 17:32
|
|
|
TyroneGoldstein posted:When I saw those two names in there I winced. That is devastating. Hamtramck especially, is enormous. So a bunch of my neighbors are about to lose their jobs that's loving great. Like Wayne county isn't hosed up and poor enough. Oh and you can't get food stamps without a job in MI now so enjoy starving in the streets
|
|
#
?
Nov 26, 2018 17:33
|
|
|
Tatsuta Age posted:So will these areas blame Trump or Obama for losing their livelihoods I wonder Hamtramck is all Polish and Middle Eastern immigrants, and Warren is poor whites.
|
|
#
?
Nov 26, 2018 17:34
|
|
|
It's ridiculous to believe or give credence to anything Corsi says. He may just be trying to scam "legal defense" donations or raise his own profile, he's dumb enough and crazy enough to do so. I'll believe he's been talking to Mueller when I see the indictment, anything else is premature.
|
|
#
?
Nov 26, 2018 17:34
|
|
|
Koalas Massacre posted:So a bunch of my neighbors are about to lose their jobs that's loving great. Yeah, im in the process of getting unemployment and poo poo right now its awesome.
|
|
#
?
Nov 26, 2018 17:34
|
|
|
WoodrowSkillson posted:Hamtramck This isn't a typo?
|
|
#
?
Nov 26, 2018 17:35
|
|
|
Fritz Coldcockin posted:This isn't a typo? No, it's not. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamtramck,_Michigan
|
|
#
?
Nov 26, 2018 17:35
|
|
|
enraged_camel posted:This one doesn't have anything to do with Donny. They are also shutting down all operations in Oshawa, Ontario: This is an astonishingly dumb take
|
|
#
?
Nov 26, 2018 17:36
|
|
|
Fritz Coldcockin posted:This isn't a typo? Apparently not. Named after a Revolutionary-era French-Canadian.
|
|
#
?
Nov 26, 2018 17:36
|
|
|
Koalas Massacre posted:So a bunch of my neighbors are about to lose their jobs that's loving great. Yeah my dad is a huge Trump lover who spent his entire life in the Detroit auto industry. I'm interested to see what his posts are regarding this, and how he'll spin this into it's the immigrants fault.
|
|
#
?
Nov 26, 2018 17:37
|
|
|
This aged well https://mobile.twitter.com/RandyLudlow/status/1067074057626152961
|
|
#
?
Nov 26, 2018 17:38
|
|
|
Failed Imagineer posted:This is an astonishingly dumb take To clarify, one of the main issues is the trump tariffs on aluminum. The US get a lot of raw aluminum from Canadian sources, so this has been loving up domestic automotive badly, especially Ford due to their use of aluminum on the F-150. The steel poo poo was manageable because there are way more alternative sources for steel than aluminum.
|
|
#
?
Nov 26, 2018 17:38
|
|
|
Fart City posted:I’m curious about this. A lot of these plants are in blue collar, working class counties. They’re usually the center spoke for the entire community. A lot of them are in red districts. It makes me wonder if there’s going to be a moment of clarity where people will go “oh poo poo, Trump turbo-hosed us,” or if the cult mentality has gotten so bad and deeply ingrained that we get the “Obama’s fault” rhetoric. Like how much reality has to crash through your window before you start recognizing it? When have these people ever recognized that conservative policies hurt them? I think that it often gets lost in all of the Dems are bad chat that the Republicans are basically Charles Manson with better PR.
|
|
#
?
Nov 26, 2018 17:40
|
|
|
CroatianAlzheimers posted:Two of those plants, Hamtramck and Warren Transmission, are within 10/15 minutes of my house. It's going to be devastating to the region. Breathlessly optimistic news stories about the state of the economy continue to be the most reliable indicator that we're probably at the peak of a cycle and a recession is on the horizon. Retail is still a bloodbath, low oil prices are going to crush the US oil industry again, and retail car sales probably peaked a while ago too. Also a hilariously large number of people will be deeply upside down on those cars thanks to disturbingly long loan terms being such a common thing right now. Squalid posted:Specifically what better policies do you have in mind because I kept asking that yesterday and nobody had an answer. I mean, give me some constraints and I'll try to make an effort post about it. The problem is that you can't just say "how make poverty go away" to posters on an internet forum and expect good answers. There's no way to answer that in super general terms so of course people just say "socialism." If we're talking about China, then probably the most conservative answer was much slower growth tempered by aggressive regulations to protect workers. Even the NYT acknowledges the problems with economic exploitation: quote:To our surprise, most people who got an industrial job soon changed their minds. A majority quit within the first months. They ended up doing what those who had not gotten the job offers did — going back to the family farm, taking a construction job or selling goods at the market.
|
|
#
?
Nov 26, 2018 17:40
|
|
|
https://twitter.com/existentialfish/status/1067091542131818496
|
|
#
?
Nov 26, 2018 17:43
|
|
|
GM stock is up 6% though! This is a good thing guys.  Think of how well the shareholders are doing https://twitter.com/behindyourback/status/1067095091255410689
|
|
#
?
Nov 26, 2018 17:45
|
|
|
Mr Ice Cream Glove posted:This aged well I am now extraordinarily angry that these fuckers waited until after election day to announce this.
|
|
#
?
Nov 26, 2018 17:47
|
|
|
Tatsuta Age posted:So will these areas blame Trump or Pelosi for losing their livelihoods I wonder Well, they're going to blame the reason for the Tariffs, which was the...Chinese? So expect those GM workers to be mad at minorities and foreigners for not bending to Trump's demands, which then led to tariffs. A rightful media would point this out to Trump every time he talks about the tariffs. I'm sure he'll say "fake news", which then the media should go back and say to the people who lost their jobs that "it didn't happen" because Trump said so.
|
|
#
?
Nov 26, 2018 17:48
|
|
|
https://twitter.com/NathanBomey/status/1067086381623713792
|
|
#
?
Nov 26, 2018 17:48
|
|
|
|
| # ? Jun 5, 2024 08:05 |
|
|
"All is well, citizen! Continue with your regularly scheduled doldrums. We will tell you what is bad and what is good, what is important and what is not." They should really just slap the Presidential seal on their stupid logo and drop all pretenses at being anything other than state-run propaganda at this point.
|
|
#
?
Nov 26, 2018 17:49
|
|