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Groovelord Neato posted:the thing i'll never get about shapiro is even i agreed with everything he had to say and thought he was some brilliant debater i wouldn't be able to stand what has to be the nerdiest voice in human history. he has the most "needs to be stuffed in a locker forever" voice i've ever heard. His audience is 90+% similarly endowed nerds who think their gender and race mean they are biologically destined to be the winners and liberals are robbing them of their birthright.
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Condiv posted:squalid, i hate to break it to you, but sweatshops pay below poverty wages. capitalists don't start paying more than they have to out of the kindness of their hearts, even when they move production to a place where cost of living means a livable wage would be dollars a day. I'm not brushing it off. There are a lot of poor countries, and their people needs to build a lot of wealth. We do this by building local industry, educating their workforce, and improving infrastructure. Doing these things require capital. The easiest way to get that capital is from rich countries like the United States. Unfortunately direct aid is very unpopular politically. What the US gives is often corrupted by special interests, for example a lot of research has found a lot of US famine relief actually smothers local producers by undercutting their price, and that American food aid is often given on the basis of US overproduction of commodities rather than need. We need to radically increase capital transfers from the United States to Asia and Africa. Doing this directly for free might be the most efficient way, but I think that would require a revolution to actually implement. While we work towards that revolution, we should not do nothing in the meantime. In the current political framework of the United States, increasing trade with these countries is one politically achievable way we can create wealth in developing countries.
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Squalid posted:I would absolutely love, LOVE, to have a real discussion about how best to make trade work, the unintended consequences of NAFTA and other deals, and how we can improve the present circumstances so that they work for all the workers of the world. Unfortunately when I try and have this conversation I get replies like, "when the entire world is run by socialists, these questions will be irrelevant." Kind of hard to engage with that. So instead I'm stuck defending the basic concept of trade from people who as far as I can tell agree entirely with Trump when he says "Trade is bad," and tries to kill all free trade agreements on principle. Maybe I'll go ahead and post a thread about it, though atm I'm a too busy and frankly shouldn't even be browsing this thread during lunch. The issue is that you're pushing back against the wrong thing. In the context of our current society, and particularly the mainstream American center-left, trade policy that allows the wanton exploitation of foreign labor is basically the status quo. It is an understandable sentiment for people to be concerned about this, and most arguments about improvements in quality of life are at least as bullshit and uninformed as what you're railing against in this post (because they nearly always draw a false causal relationship between the "sweatshop" labor and improving conditions). Obviously the solution isn't anything simple. The best thing I can think of that the US can do on its own is just require certain standards for the labor domestic corporations use, though obviously there are a number of things that make this very complex/difficult*. But the general sentiment that the status quo is bad is a good one, and it's dumb to interpret anyone who criticizes it as secretly wanting to bring all labor back to the US. No matter how you look at it, it makes more sense to attack the people with actual power/influence who represent the "corporations should be free to exploit foreign labor/resources" side of things. * the biggest things that come to mind are: 1. enforcement would be very difficult, partly because... 2. modern supply chains are very complex and it is difficult to determine what constitutes a domestic corporating employing labor (for example they might contract some foreign company which itself contracts some company which actually hires the labor working for pennies in unsafe conditions) 3. there's no clear way to determine what constitutes reasonable compensation, which will vary depending on location (though this is probably one of the more easily solved issues) edit: An analogy for why it's dumb to get angry/irritated at people with negative sentiment towards this is that it's like if someone said they wanted to end slavery and someone else asked them "well, how are you going to deal with the millions of newly freed people?" and then condemned them as idiots for not having a detailed plan for how to deal with the aftermath of ending slavery. Outrage at the underlying injustice is reasonable and shouldn't be condemned (unless the person is explicitly proposing some sort of bad solution, like - in the case of free trade - highly protectionist policy) Ytlaya fucked around with this message at 20:51 on Nov 26, 2018 |
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Ripoff posted:I apologize but I’m really feeling the “every day is 10,000 years long” news effect as of late: do we know why the negative response spiked? He showed weakness by taking a pretty big loss in the election, the first time he has showed any kind of weakness (to rank and file GOP voters) since he became president.
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https://twitter.com/politicohen_/status/1067118366656217089?s=21 If you were a hot dog, would ya mustard gas yourself? I know I would.
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skylined! posted:https://twitter.com/politicohen_/status/1067118366656217089?s=21 BREAKING: GEORGE PAPADOPOLOUS DIES OF RUPTURED BLADDER BECAUSE HE WAS TOO SCARED TO PEE IN FRONT OF OTHER INMATES
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Groovelord Neato posted:the thing i'll never get about shapiro is even i agreed with everything he had to say and thought he was some brilliant debater i wouldn't be able to stand what has to be the nerdiest voice in human history. he has the most "needs to be stuffed in a locker forever" voice i've ever heard. the nerd voice is part of why he's good at debating
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Squalid posted:I'm not brushing it off. you are. saying you care and then spending 2 paragraphs trying to set up sweatshops as acts of charity after having been repeatedly reminded that they are so terrible for workers that they drive people to suicide is brushing it off. you are saying that their deaths are the price of progress in those countries without any backing whatsoever. worse yet, you are actively against the idea of extending the extremely spartan labor protections of the USA to these workers, because you claim it would hurt them. you are out and out an enemy of labor. i'm certain that you would feel just as comfortable joining the republicans in telling people that a $15 minimum wage would be just too much and would raise unemployment and hurt vulnerable laborers. don't give me your crocadile tears anymore.if you care about labor and laborers, then you know that allowing laborers to be exploited in one corner of the world hurts laborers all across the world.
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Typo posted:the nerd voice is part of why he's good at debating i would think having a deep commanding voice would be better. he sounds like he's whining (like in the clip i linked). https://twitter.com/pattymo/status/1067143839226433543
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CroatianAlzheimers posted:Two of those plants, Hamtramck and Warren Transmission, are within 10/15 minutes of my house. It's going to be devastating to the region. You aren't kidding. This would explain why we were told GM wanted all their contracts filled before Christmas instead of by next year. We're gonna get hosed
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god, i love our pissbrained delusional president. nothing will come of this. nothing ever does.
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Squalid posted:I'm not brushing it off. There are a lot of poor countries, and their people needs to build a lot of wealth. We do this by building local industry, educating their workforce, and improving infrastructure. Doing these things require capital. The easiest way to get that capital is from rich countries like the United States. Unfortunately direct aid is very unpopular politically. What the US gives is often corrupted by special interests, for example a lot of research has found a lot of US famine relief actually smothers local producers by undercutting their price, and that American food aid is often given on the basis of US overproduction of commodities rather than need. Imagine knowing that US charity can hurt local business but not thinking that factories do that.
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Immigrants are being gassed at the border California is burning alive Ford and GM are closing plants and laying off thousands of people President Pissbaby: "CNN IS MEAN TO ME WAAAAAAHHHHHH  "
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We actually have had such networks and might still, we used to beam propaganda TV and radio into Cuba. Not sure if that's still active
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If only there was such a network that was worldwide... a "web", if that's what you want to call it.
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Groovelord Neato posted:i would think having a deep commanding voice would be better. he sounds like he's whining (like in the clip i linked). Proof positive that being a racist FYGM rear end in a top hat transcends sexual orientation, too.
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Nov 26, 2018 20:58
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Trump both trying to launch his post-term business from the Presidential twitter and publically advocating for propaganda. What a time to be alive.
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I really want someone to troll him into unironically pitching "Truth" and/or "USA Today" as the official network name. Edit: Yes, I know USA today is already a thing. I'm just making a lame Pravda reference.
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Ague Proof posted:Mustard gas is perfectly safe. You can eat it on your hotdog. These same kind of people are the reason I got to hear stories of my grandmother's family being denied entry into the US from Poland in 1939 after walking by literal piles of corpses of her friends and family, only to later become a prisoner in a death camp and then have to become basically an indentured servant to get into the US to eventually meet up with what was left of her relatives.
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Haha, he still wants to do the Trump News Network.
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It's too early for brainworms. https://twitter.com/LydiaBurrell/status/1066921956291866624
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Jaxyon posted:Trump both trying to launch his post-term business from the Presidential twitter and publically advocating for propaganda. Funny that Trump wants an American propaganda outlet yet is also disparaging the largest one in the same tweet
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Dapper_Swindler posted:god, i love our pissbrained delusional president. nothing will come of this. nothing ever does. This already exists and it's called Voice of America
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Struggling but I thought I remembered some weird stuff going on with our foreign TV networks that were remnants of the Iron Curtain days and etc. It was somewhere liberal, maybe John Oliver and maybe Maddow but I swore there were weird consolidations or privitizations going on that may actually have indicated he was planning something like he's saying here and I can't find that story now. EDIT FOUND IT https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2016/12/14/505482691/an-obama-backed-change-at-voice-of-america-has-trump-critics-worried Pablo Nergigante posted:This already exists and it's called Voice of America This jogged my memory, thank you. VH4Ever fucked around with this message at 21:11 on Nov 26, 2018 |
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Groovelord Neato posted:the thing i'll never get about shapiro is even i agreed with everything he had to say and thought he was some brilliant debater i wouldn't be able to stand what has to be the nerdiest voice in human history. he has the most "needs to be stuffed in a locker forever" voice i've ever heard. It's weird because usually conservative pundits are big loud screaming assholes like Jones, Hannity, O'Reilly and the like. He honestly just feels like....some guy. The internet has brought so much mediocrity and so many non-issues like the supposed SJW conspiracy to rat gently caress the entire white male population to the forefront of an entire generation. I swear all of that poo poo just seems to go around in circles of aggrieving the opposing side, but not actually accomplishing any meaningful social or policy change either way until Trump and DeVos got in with their weird loving priorities around some of these issues, that'll probably just get reversed by the next Democratic secretary of education. Again I'm really glad I finished up school before all this bullshit started hitting in full force though cause I'd probably end up wanting to strangle some of these people. We literally just had none of it while I was in high school or university but now it's like this generation defining debate. Should a transgender person use this bathroom or that one....I don't know  but really who the goddamn gently caress cares if nobody is making a scene. Make a decision already, don't use the bathroom while they're in there if it really makes you that uncomfortable I don't loving know.  It's a separate issue sort of but I suspect one major reason for their popularity is that a lot of their audience quite literally are just incapable of making a decision or coming to any sort of conclusion about something of their own. They seem pissed about something and these people are their to give them targets and feed them world views to have just like Fox News for the aging conservative. Honestly if these people really gave a poo poo about educating people they'd be teaching them how to make determinations or decisions of their own. Supposedly that's what Petersons recent book was about if you listen to it's advocates but it doesn't seem to have had that effect at all.
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Lycus posted:Haha, he still wants to do the Trump News Network. Translation from Pissbaby into English reads roughly: "I wish I had lost so I could launch my propaganda "news" network and spend my days making GBS threads on President Hillary Clinton".
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VH4Ever posted:Struggling but I thought I remembered some weird stuff going on with our foreign TV networks that were remnants of the Iron Curtain days and etc. It was somewhere liberal, maybe John Oliver and maybe Maddow but I swore there were weird consolidations or privitizations going on that may actually have indicated he was planning something like he's saying here and I can't find that story now.
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Kale posted:Honestly if these people really gave a poo poo about educating people they'd be teaching them how to make determinations or decisions of their own. Supposedly that's what Petersons recent book was about if you listen to it's advocates but it doesn't seem to have had that effect at all. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QereR0CViMY
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The lovely lander with goddamn Trump's signature on it made it to stupid loving Mars. This is officially the worst day of the Trump presidency yet. Goddamn it, I'm pissed as hell.
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Oh and the weird Fox News propaganda piece with the shot of Trump Tower feels like it should have the Dynasty theme playing over it. It looks like something filled for an 80's soap opera, not some sort of documentary or whatever. I'll just say I had all of this poo poo that these people are on about figured out well before I left high school even if I ever considered it important to think about at all. 99% of it is quite literally just you do you and I do me unless your actively, directly and consistently impending on my ability to lead a normal school day. Maybe it's the social media effect of everyone always being able to see what everyone else is doing now, but we just used to mind our own loving business a whole lot more in the 90's and early 2000's. Kale fucked around with this message at 21:08 on Nov 26, 2018 |
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skylined! posted:https://twitter.com/politicohen_/status/1067118366656217089?s=21 Welcome to Wisconsin, Georgey boy. Enjoy your stay.
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Ague Proof posted:It's too early for brainworms. lmao https://twitter.com/mitchellvii/status/1067137100640919552
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mitchellvii was an inside job Edit: gently caress. The joke was covered in the God damned tweet.
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Kerning Chameleon posted:The lovely lander with goddamn Trump's signature on it made it to stupid loving Mars. This is a really bizarre take.
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Kerning Chameleon posted:The lovely lander with goddamn Trump's signature on it made it to stupid loving Mars. Mars mission for science bad and worst thing ever just because it has Trump's signature on it somewhere?  Man the Trump presidency really gets to some people in ways I never expected. Sort of the last thing that crossed my mind about that mission in all honesty. Heck Yes! Loam! posted:This is a really bizarre take. Okay really glad I'm not the only one.
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Heck Yes! Loam! posted:This is a really bizarre take. It doesn't even matter if the lander broke some doodad and can't even do science now. Motherfucking Trump's signature gets to be immortalized for all time on Mars and there's nothing any of us can do about it now. Should've loving plowed into the ground in a fiery wreck, like all objects baring Trump's brain-addled scribbings deserve. also, i'm against further space travel and exploration in general these days
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Heck Yes! Loam! posted:This is a really bizarre take. kerning chameleon hates everyone and everything, and in particular takes serious umbrage to even the slightest possibility that humanity might have an impact beyond Earth
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Kerning Chameleon posted:It doesn't even matter if the lander broke some doodad and can't even do science now. Motherfucking Trump's signature gets to be immortalized for all time on Mars and there's nothing any of us can do about it now. You should get some therapy for those issues man. Besides, when the sun turns into a red giant it will vaporize everything on Mars anyway, So Cheer Up 
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