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No. 1 Apartheid Fan posted:It's possible to deplete his health before you max the ratings, but it's debatable whether he DIE-dies. Alphys just says she can repair him and then nervously sees you off. Isn't the "I can repair him" only if you defeat him non-lethally, and if you kill him she says she can just build a new one?
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Space Cadet Omoly posted:The death (?) of Mettaton: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iDaC1SNcpwE Huh, neat. I fought him during a recent neutral run but wound up triggering the Spare condition for the fight anyway. Speaking of which, I kind of like the ending you get if you kill everyone except Papyrus and Mettaton (Mettaton takes over the Underground and forces everyone to satisfy his ego).
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Nov 27, 2018 03:53
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Everdraed posted:Haha thanks, it always makes me happy to hear I've somehow inspired peepz to do creative stuff!! I've definitely noticed your works in this thread, they're great edits especially in the spriting department! you should toby to hire me to program his game hahaha just kidding (unless he would)
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Nov 27, 2018 04:09
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So, to bring back the conversation to music, Galactic Hole put out a new mashup: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JuiDQ9oBtDA
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Nov 27, 2018 04:19
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SirSamVimes posted:Isn't the "I can repair him" only if you defeat him non-lethally, and if you kill him she says she can just build a new one? yes, she “disappears” (kills herself) out of grief and guilt immediately after you leave for New Home if Mettaton is dispatched violently
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Nov 27, 2018 04:24
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Larryb posted:Huh, neat. I fought him during a recent neutral run but wound up triggering the Spare condition for the fight anyway. Speaking of which, I kind of like the ending you get if you kill everyone except Papyrus and Mettaton (Mettaton takes over the Underground and forces everyone to satisfy his ego). Same, it's great: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=51uojGcJecA Probably the darkest ending you can get without killing everyone.
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Nov 27, 2018 04:30
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nine-gear crow posted:Greetings.
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Nov 27, 2018 04:31
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Tetracube posted:you should toby to hire me to program his game Toby's definitely gonna be contacting folks he's interested in himself, his info post was mostly to give people interested in more a heads up about the timeline for further development but not actually an open call for applications, sorry! If he was taking recommendations from me I'd probably spam him with suggestions like 'whoever made that flash game where you throw the steel balls' and 'the modder who turned the skyrim dragons into macho man randy savage' until he removed my recommendation privileges though!
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Everdraed posted:If he was taking recommendations from me I'd probably spam him with suggestions like 'whoever made that flash game where you throw the steel balls' and 'the modder who turned the skyrim dragons into macho man randy savage' until he removed my recommendation privileges though! Yeah, but, hear me out. Those are awesome recommendations.
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J.A.B.C. posted:So, to bring back the conversation to music, Galactic Hole put out a new mashup: 
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Everdraed posted:Toby's definitely gonna be contacting folks he's interested in himself, his info post was mostly to give people interested in more a heads up about the timeline for further development but not actually an open call for applications, sorry! I hope he brings on Kanotynes
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Nov 27, 2018 05:07
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IronicDongz posted:The way that Toriel talks about not being able to save the others, her immediate desire to protect and mother the random human child she finds(and not let them go any further into the underground), all the leftover kid's shoes she still has, her total disgust towards Asgore... I don't see how the other humans could not have been children. Her character just doesn't make nearly as much sense emotionally otherwise. I know this is a couple of pages back now but I just wanted to say... Do people still get confused by this? Do you think she ritually took the shoes of kids and put them in a box? I know a lot of people's initial reaction to the box of shoes is something along the lines of "she's a witch who eats kids just like in fairy tales" but the real reason for the shoes is much simpler - she's a mom. She had a kid.
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Your Computer posted:I know this is a couple of pages back now but I just wanted to say... Do people still get confused by this? Do you think she ritually took the shoes of kids and put them in a box? I know a lot of people's initial reaction to the box of shoes is something along the lines of "she's a witch who eats kids just like in fairy tales" but the real reason for the shoes is much simpler - she's a mom. She had a kid. Your Computer, I'm going to be real with you: I actually didn't make that connection until just now when you pointed it out. I'm feeling kind of dumb because, yeah, now that you've said it it's super obvious. The shoes belonged to Chara and Asriel at different ages as they grew up and Toriel kept them for their sentimental value.
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Space Cadet Omoly posted:Your Computer, I'm going to be real with you: I actually didn't make that connection until just now when you pointed it out. chara probably never lived there considering the kids' room has only one bed the assumption i drew from the shoes and the various crayons and games scattered around was that they were things she scrounged up from the ruins for the previous kids who had fallen - that's definitely what you're intended to believe at first, but who knows if it was actually the case
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Nov 27, 2018 05:38
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Space Cadet Omoly posted:Your Computer, I'm going to be real with you: I actually didn't make that connection until just now when you pointed it out. Chara, at least. Asriel never wore shoes 
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nine-gear crow posted:Chara, at least. Asriel never wore shoes asriel: strong soles humans: strong souls undyne: strong sole Oxxidation fucked around with this message at 05:42 on Nov 27, 2018 |
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Asgore you dunce, I said 7 human SOLESOxxidation posted:the assumption i drew from the shoes and the various crayons and games scattered around was that they were things she scrounged up from the ruins for the previous kids who had fallen - that's definitely what you're intended to believe at first, but who knows if it was actually the case The whole place is essentially foreshadowing, and then when you reach New Home you actually learn about Toriel's kid(s) and... 
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Your Computer posted:I know this is a couple of pages back now but I just wanted to say... Do people still get confused by this? Do you think she ritually took the shoes of kids and put them in a box? I know a lot of people's initial reaction to the box of shoes is something along the lines of "she's a witch who eats kids just like in fairy tales" but the real reason for the shoes is much simpler - she's a mom. She had a kid.
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Nov 27, 2018 06:16
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Oxxidation posted:chara probably never lived there considering the kids' room has only one bed Didn't Asriel have his own room that you just can't ever go into because of renovations or lock or something like that?
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Nep-Nep posted:Didn't Asriel have his own room that you just can't ever go into because of renovations or lock or something like that? that's asgore's room, he and toriel slept in separate beds for some reason i mean it's obviously meant to show how each of their households has been spiritually amputated by their divorce (along with toriel's terrible gardening and asgore's lousy attempts at baking) but it's still a bit odd
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Nov 27, 2018 06:42
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Oxxidation posted:that's asgore's room, he and toriel slept in separate beds for some reason I dunno, having separate beds really isn't that weird of a thing for married couples to have. A some people just sleep better by themselves.
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Oxxidation posted:chara probably never lived there considering the kids' room has only one bed IIRC they moved to New Home after Chara arrived? Since otherwise Asriel probably wouldn't have been near the hole to find Chara. Wouldn't be out of place for them to have lived in Home with temporary accommodations for Chara before everyone moved to New Home because of the new hope for humans and monsters.
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Space Cadet Omoly posted:I dunno, having separate beds really isn't that weird of a thing for married couples to have. A some people just sleep better by themselves. my take on it has always been that it's because asgore's snoring ranks somewhere between "backfiring tractor-trailer" and "approaching kaiju"
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Toriel probably took the shoes with her when she left New Home.
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McFrugal posted:Toriel probably took the shoes with her when she left New Home. "Why do you have 14 pairs of men's shoes? They don't even fit you." / "I HAVE A PROBLEM, OKAY?  "
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*You peak inside... *Scandalous! *It's TORIEL's
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Larryb posted:Somewhat related, I don't think it's actually possible to kill Mettaton during a neutral run (in fact, fighting him is one of the quicker ways to boost the ratings during said battle). You can always just wait around and let the ratings drop.
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Larryb posted:Somewhat related, I don't think it's actually possible to kill Mettaton during a neutral run (in fact, fighting him is one of the quicker ways to boost the ratings during said battle). Consistent Pan/Gun crits do absurd damage and can kill him in just a few turns.
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Cerebral Bore posted:You can always just wait around and let the ratings drop. So the fight ends if the ratings drop to 0 as well? Never knew that actually.
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Space Cadet Omoly posted:The death (?) of Mettaton: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iDaC1SNcpwE
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Larryb posted:So the fight ends if the ratings drop to 0 as well? Never knew that actually. No, it doesn't end the fight as they bottom out at 3000, IIRC. But deliberately waiting around for them to drop means that they'll never reach the required number for the pacifist win either, so basically you have all the time in the world to beat robot Michael Jackson to death if you're so inclined.
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I like the idea that Mettaton has so much charisma he's immune to being defeated by plummeting his ratings
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Nov 27, 2018 14:46
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Speaking of murdering Mettaton, I recently found a cool fan animation of an extended Mettaton Neo battle: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dqonXTAz0vg Kind of wish this boss fight was actually in the game.
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Space Cadet Omoly posted:Speaking of murdering Mettaton, I recently found a cool fan animation of an extended Mettaton Neo battle: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dqonXTAz0vg I love animations like these, but I also always love the MTT Neo fight in game. Mettaton straight up lies to you about being an anti-human weapon, then transforms into some cool-looking but deeply impractical costume armor. He knows drat well you're going to tear through him like tissue paper, but every second you hesitate because he looks intimidating is a chance for Alphys to evacuate one more person, or a second for Asgore to get the souls ready, or a chance for anyone left to do anything. It's been pointed out that No Mercy brings out the best in all the monsters. Just as Alphys' best isn't fighting, it's engineering (various lasers blocking your way in Hotland) and coordination (staging a large-scale evacuation), Mettaton's best isn't fighting. It's putting on a show.
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Unrelated to anything, but I've always felt pretty certain that Megalovania isn't Sans' boss theme, it's yours. The player's. I'm probably far from the first to think this, but I'm wondering what y'all think. A big part of why I think this is that we know what Sans' theme is: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N1-RyLUQUrA And true to form for Toby Fox, his theme and leitmotif are heavily quoted in his "battle theme" (that doesn't actually play in the game): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y4VNZdsjveE However, there's nothing at all of Sans to be found in Megalovania. Now I know the reason for this is that Megalovania was made before Undertale and comes from Homestuck, but Toby doesn't seem to do anything by accident, musically speaking. Using a musical theme from outside the game's world to represent the player feels like a very Toby thing to do imo
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Son of Thunderbeast posted:
Megalovania doesn't come from Homestuck, though that's its 2nd most well-known use. It comes from Toby's Halloween Hack of Earthbound. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iIowwZThIXM
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SoT is right that the song being from an outside work excludes it from most of Undertale's identifying leitmotifs, which does make it feel "anomalous" in the rest of the game's soundtrack the song that might play when you fight Sans is The Song That Might Play When You Fight Sans, but Megalo IMO is the song that plays when Sans fights you also even though the title's a holdover i always thought it noteworthy how it's basically the word megalomania with LOVE shoved in the middle
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Son of Thunderbeast posted:Unrelated to anything, but I've always felt pretty certain that Megalovania isn't Sans' boss theme, it's yours. The player's. I'm probably far from the first to think this, but I'm wondering what y'all think. I always liked this theory, especially since the only time you fight Sans is when you're a full genocide player. You might be fighting the final boss in the game, but Sans is the one fighting the 'Final Boss' in the "this is the last chance to defeat evil" sense you see in a normal game Also semi-related, Song That Might Play When You Fight Sans is somehow even more Megaman X2 than most of the Megaman X2 soundtrack and it's extremely my poo poo 
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skaianDestiny posted:Megalovania doesn't come from Homestuck, though that's its 2nd most well-known use. It comes from Toby's Halloween Hack of Earthbound.
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Oxxidation posted:undyne: strong swole ftfy
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