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I don't blame Weaver for having the attitude of "I'm not really interested in doing a bunch of identical slasher sequels, if we're doing this lets make sure there's something new and interesting about it", because she really did not need the work or the money, and she was 100% correct that her name was what was being sold to the studio. They were not going to go ahead without her involved(at least after the success of Aliens). So I dunno, if it were me and I was being approached to do work that I really didn't need or even want, I'd lay out some conditions too. Like, ok as long as I'm doing this I may as well use the leverage I have to make sure it's something I can look back on and say I did my best to make it good. Weaver had a good career going, it's understandable that she didn't want to be known as someone who put out lovely monster movie sequels every few years.
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Nov 6, 2018 19:57
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AVP2 the game was great, sad to hear its unplayable now.
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Tenzarin posted:AVP2 the game was great, sad to hear its unplayable now. While I can’t personally verify this as my discs are in a box somewhere, this subforum makes it seem like AvP2 is still very much playable, with people releasing mods, skins, and maps for it as recently as like last month: https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?board=22.0
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I have a confession to make. And as a big time Alien franchise fan...the Alien 3 AC Blu-Ray edition or whatever the hell it is now. Glad I got that statement out of my chest. Wow, what a difference it did to the movie. If they just fixed up the CGI parts a little bit...
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The only CGI in the movie are the cracks on the Alien’s head before it explodes.  You’re probably thinking of the rod puppet. The Blu-ray does clean that up a little bit compared to the DVD release, but it’s still janky.
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Nov 9, 2018 19:48
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Xenomrph posted:The only CGI in the movie are the cracks on the Alien’s head before it explodes. It's the compositing of the puppet into the background that was always the problem. It felt like those old-school matte lines from pre-Special Edition Star Wars, which doesn't really fly in 1992. I've tried so, so hard to like Alien 3 but even the workprint or whatever it's called didn't do it for me.
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Xenomrph posted:While I can’t personally verify this as my discs are in a box somewhere, this subforum makes it seem like AvP2 is still very much playable, with people releasing mods, skins, and maps for it as recently as like last month: He is correct: It's aged just fine. Babysitter Super Sleuth posted:Ripley shoulda hosed the xeno, get real weird with it Goddamn it I have no idea why but now I can only picture this happening exactly like the sex scene in Team America only with a xenomorph Is Aliens one of the extremely few franchises that somehow avoided being turned into a porn spoof, at least? I can picture that going nowhere good. "Oh my God, it's got acid for jizz!" Colostomy Bag posted:I have a confession to make. And as a big time Alien franchise fan...the Alien 3 AC Blu-Ray edition or whatever the hell it is now. Glad I got that statement out of my chest. It's odd, I really dislike Alien 3 but I never hear the main reasons I do being brought up: The characters. I really dislike Bishop/Hicks/Newt not being in the movie, like a lot, given the situation. Killing them before the credits hit the movie hard; but beyond that, the prisoners are just awful characters, not a single one realistic of fleshed out or memorable. The scene that I will always remember when I watched this movie as the moment two prisoners are fleeing a loving xenomorph, then smash into each other. OK that was kind of funny but.. then they get up and start joking. Joking and joking and acting like loving idiots; a xenomorph was right behind them. It, of course, kills them. That was so loving bad it wasn't even out of a Friday the 13th movie.. it was out of a Halloween sequel. One of the really bad ones. With Ice Cube. Plus the fact the sheer numbers made the whole movie hilariously stupid. They had to go out of their way to kill themselves there were so many prisoners in their stupid attempts to kill the xenomorph. Seriously if their plan was "Everybody get a loving pipe and stay in a common area" I'm pretty sure the Alien would have gotten a prison yard beat down in the first 30 minutes. That said I loved the soundtrack, for what it was. ED: I also hold no ill will against Fincher. He may hate that movie more than anyone. It pretty clearly wasn't his fault. Blazing Ownager fucked around with this message at 20:20 on Nov 9, 2018 |
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Nov 9, 2018 20:06
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Blazing Ownager posted:He is correct: It's aged just fine. I think "Species" is the porn version.
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Nov 9, 2018 20:14
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Killing hicks and newt is extremely good.
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Nov 9, 2018 20:16
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CelticPredator posted:Killing hicks and newt is extremely good. Newt I can see disliking, but disliking Hicks? This man has no soul.
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Yo thanks for the heads up about AVP Classic being on sale. I had it as a youth when it was new, on a computer that could *barely* play it, so I never really got the truly play it Excited to check it out now as a grownup
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Blazing Ownager posted:Newt I can see disliking, but disliking Hicks? I love them both. Which is why they had to die.
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CelticPredator posted:I love them both. It's hard to disagree with that without getting into the whole "I wish they'd just made a completely different movie than the one we got" thing, which I try to avoid. Because there's really no place for Newt and Hicks in the nihilistic ultra-downer movie that they were going for.
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Nov 9, 2018 21:22
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Honestly I’m just annoyed at people saying the same poo poo over and over. It’s been almost 27 years since it came out. Can we get over it already? If you’re really that bent out of shape over it, play that trash game where hicks is actually alive and sounds so bored the whole time because deep down he wants to be dead. After Halloween I’d be curious of a “what if alien 3 didn’t happen” movie, but I also don’t want these people to get what they want because I am a spiteful person at heart. 
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Nov 9, 2018 21:25
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Hicks and Newt survived in the original ‘Aliens’ sequel comics, and Ripley is nowhere to be found (at least until volume 3). The narrative makes it work - Hicks has mental and physical scars from his ordeal and has some bad PTSD, but gets roped back into things similarly to how Ripley was in ‘Aliens’. Newt gravitates Hicks as a father figure because she has nowhere else to go, and Ripley is just... gone.
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Nov 9, 2018 22:47
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Blazing Ownager posted:Seriously if their plan was "Everybody get a loving pipe and stay in a common area" I'm pretty sure the Alien would have gotten a prison yard beat down in the first 30 minutes. Isn't there a deleted scene or something where the discuss doing exactly that? It's set in that area with everyone hanging out in the big drain pipes. Or am I crazy?
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The alien franchise is representative of its titular antagonist in that it's an ever changing, ever evolving entity. And like that entity it is ruthless. Killing off Hicks and Newt was a ballsy play, but one that serves an evolving conceptual purpose. By cutting Ripley off of anyone she cared about, and placing her in a hostile environment - devoid of even her own gender! - and making her this insane outsider, she effectively becomes an alien as well, in the truest sense of the words. She doesn't belong. She has knowledge beyond the understanding of those she's surrounding with. And, fittingly, it is only by the actions of another alien that she ultimately perishes. Alien3 isn't about resetting some kind of slasher status quo to return to the tone of the first film, it's about refocusing on the idea of what "alien" even means. Both for the lead, and the audience.
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Very much agreed, and that's why I have no problem with Hicks and Newt dying after Aliens. I like conceptualizing the trilogy with Ripley as a Sisyphus-type character, matched up against something she can never overcome.
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Fart City posted:The alien franchise is representative of its titular antagonist in that it's an ever changing, ever evolving entity. And like that entity it is ruthless. Killing off Hicks and Newt was a ballsy play, but one that serves an evolving conceptual purpose. Alien 3's total disregard for anything in the second film is what is ballsy about it. In addition to what you mentioned about the death of Hicks/Newt, the hostile environment devoid of her own gender, killing her at the end, etc., they even turned the good robot from Aliens into an evil company man. It couldn't be further from how sequels are made today. And Alien 3 should be commended for preventing the Alien series from becoming yet another action blockbuster franchise.
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Nov 11, 2018 05:05
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Alien 3 is the best alien movie and that is canon
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Xenomrph posted:Hicks and Newt survived in the original ‘Aliens’ sequel comics, and Ripley is nowhere to be found (at least until volume 3). I never really read past the first of the Aliens sequel comics, and the stuff on the xeno homeworld was a bit much, but I do like that it took the "Aliens on Earth" scenario to its, uh, logical conclusion.
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HannibalBarca posted:I never really read past the first of the Aliens sequel comics, and the stuff on the xeno homeworld was a bit much, but I do like that it took the "Aliens on Earth" scenario to its, uh, logical conclusion. It eventually had an engineer or something showing up to help exterminate them from Earth. That turned into a trap after he helped with that too. The comics were weird but some of the scenes had some fantastic payoff, like the jackass military commander being betrayed by the queen once they made it to Earth.
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Azubah posted:It eventually had an engineer or something showing up to help exterminate them from Earth. That turned into a trap after he helped with that too. 
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Blazing Ownager posted:He is correct: It's aged just fine. Morse is not killed by the dragon, he even survives being shot by the marines. Busta Rhymes is in Halloween, not Ice Cube. You need to work on your movie-watching abilities
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Nov 12, 2018 05:26
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Aliens: Colonial Marines is on sale super cheap on Steam. I know it was a dumpster fire when released but have modders done anything to make it worthwhile to play through since then?
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el oso posted:Aliens: Colonial Marines is on sale super cheap on Steam. I know it was a dumpster fire when released but have modders done anything to make it worthwhile to play through since then? It is SUPER bad, but I had some fun by cranking up the difficulty to a stupid degree. Xenos should be dangerous!
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el oso posted:Aliens: Colonial Marines is on sale super cheap on Steam. I know it was a dumpster fire when released but have modders done anything to make it worthwhile to play through since then? Iirc someone figured out a couple months ago how to enable actual enemy AI that had been commented out, so now it's merely bad rather than unplayable
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v_SdkxbgOV0 Yeah here's a video on it. Good job Colonial Marines.
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el oso posted:Aliens: Colonial Marines is on sale super cheap on Steam. I know it was a dumpster fire when released but have modders done anything to make it worthwhile to play through since then? Use this, it's an all-in-one fan-made overhaul mod and it's very easy to install: https://www.moddb.com/mods/templargfxs-acm-overhaul/downloads/acm-overhaul-v5-game-over-man
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Xenomrph posted:It was Ridley Scott’s intent, but I don’t buy it. ‘Alien’ shows us a very old Derelict full of Alien eggs, which would predate David. According to one of the people involved in the cancelled sequel to Covenant, Ridley was going to make the next film about Engineers chasing David for revenge after returning to their home planet and seeing what he'd done and the movie would end with the ship full of eggs crashing on LV421 and connecting the film to Alien directly. There's a high likelihood that it would have been just as bad if not worse than Covenant. BiggerBoat posted:So are we ever getting another Alien video game? I've really liked most of them and the license is tailor made for it. Yeah. 20th Century Fox just filed a trademark application for a new game called Alien: Blackout and a brand new development studio of theirs announced that they were making an Alien game back in January. There's a good chance it will get announced next week at the game awards.
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SUNKOS posted:According to one of the people involved in the cancelled sequel to Covenant, Ridley was going to make the next film about Engineers chasing David for revenge after returning to their home planet and seeing what he'd done and the movie would end with the ship full of eggs crashing on LV421 and connecting the film to Alien directly. There's a high likelihood that it would have been just as bad if not worse than Covenant. It’s definitely cancelled then?
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Watching AvP Requiem, and like a high school boy, I was trying to remember if there was any nudity in it. Then I realized the transfer is so loving terrible you couldn't see anything anyway so who gives a poo poo.
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The_Doctor posted:It’s definitely cancelled then? Disney plans to turn the Alien series into a PG-13 action franchise in order to maximize profits. Duh. Preston Waters posted:Watching AvP Requiem, and like a high school boy, I was trying to remember if there was any nudity in it. Then I realized the transfer is so loving terrible you couldn't see anything anyway so who gives a poo poo. The way she died was the real money shot anyway.
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Slutitution posted:Disney plans to turn the Alien series into a PG-13 action franchise in order to maximize profits. Duh. More likely, they're shelving the whole thing because Covenant didn't preform well. If anything, I imagine Disney will eventually make a subsidary to make R rated projects to keep the Disney logo kid friendly. But even then I don't think they'll touch Alien unless its a hard reboot.
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Slutitution posted:Disney plans to turn the Alien series into a PG-13 action franchise in order to maximize profits. Duh. No I'm trying to picture an animated musical Alien movie. And I kind of want to see it.
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Nov 27, 2018 13:57
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BiggerBoat posted:No I'm trying to picture an animated musical Alien movie. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0yV_OBybZ00
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Covok posted:More likely, they're shelving the whole thing because Covenant didn't preform well. If anything, I imagine Disney will eventually make a subsidary to make R rated projects to keep the Disney logo kid friendly. But even then I don't think they'll touch Alien unless its a hard reboot. They already have a subsidiary, Touchstone Pictures.
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