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Brony Car posted:The senate race in Mississippi is not close enough for a useless succ Dem like me to have hope, right? No, people are getting excited over nothing. He'd have a chance if it were a House race I think and he might go under the radar but his only path is high dem turnout / low rep turnout and racist comments are going to encourage turnout of the white republican base in Mississippi.
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Omobono posted:How so? What happens in the USA if an attorney is shown to be complicit? No more attorney privilege? If an attorney commits crimes to defend you it can nullify privilege IIRC because then they become a criminal defendant. Law goons, please correct me if I am wrong on that or you have something to add.
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Ate My Balls Redux posted:LOL there is no question. There aren't.
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Brony Car posted:The senate race in Mississippi is not close enough for a useless succ Dem like me to have hope, right? Never hope only take action.
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Brony Car posted:The senate race in Mississippi is not close enough for a useless succ Dem like me to have hope, right? It can happen, but is a looooonnng shot I imagine Mississipi GOP are absolute masters of gerrymandering and voter suppression to keep a 35% African American state red for all these decades That is a lot of odds to beat
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:No, people are getting excited over nothing. He'd have a chance if it were a House race I think and he might go under the radar but his only path is high dem turnout / low rep turnout and racist comments are going to encourage turnout of the white republican base in Mississippi. Realistically if Espy were white he'd be winning going away. Even Republicans hate Hyde-Smith, but well, they'd rather vote for an idiot than a black dude
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:No, people are getting excited over nothing. He'd have a chance if it were a House race I think and he might go under the radar but his only path is high dem turnout / low rep turnout and racist comments are going to encourage turnout of the white republican base in Mississippi. Just got to hope Mississippi white people are like "I already voted do I really have to do this poo poo again, Hyde's gonna win anyway it's not close"
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I'm in when do we get the MEC troopers and gene soldiers to supplement the supersoldiers
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Mueller is not your friend, he's a conservative law enforcement & intelligence man, this logically makes him a bad person hostile to your interests, comrade.
Those who play with the devil's toys will be brought by degrees to wield his sword.
gently caress YEAH LET'S DO THIS EAT poo poo YOU NAZI FUCKS
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Sir Lemming posted:When Paul Manafort dies, Robert Mueller will personally invent a way to bring him back to life and indict him more 
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Stexils posted:why would the GOP turn on trump for this? they support him because the base loves him. Why would the GOP care about donald trump's base? donald trumps base has been doing an awful job of getting anyone but donald trump elected. The guy is at 60% disapproval and the largest democratic house win since watergate happened like 3 weeks ago. At some point some GOP guy is gonna say "you know, I'm not very selfless and don't want to keep lighting my own dick on fire by standing with this trump guy" without stopping being a republican. Trump getting in on your campaign is already nearly a death kiss for actually winning, at some point if his popularity keeps going down no one is going to be winning elections if they aren't actively distancing themselves from this guy no one likes. His base super double extra liking trump hasn't been winning elections for anyone but trump.
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Mustached Demon posted:Never hope only take action. I donated back in September and right after election day. I can think of worse ways to use my money.
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Omobono posted:How so? What happens in the USA if an attorney is shown to be complicit? No more attorney privilege? friendbot2000 posted:If an attorney commits crimes to defend you it can nullify privilege IIRC because then they become a criminal defendant. Law goons, please correct me if I am wrong on that or you have something to add. More specifically, you can't use attorney-client privilege in furtherance of new crime. If you can show that the privilege was used in furtherance of new crimes, then you can pierce the privilege generally. Note that this has probably already happened to some extent given the search of Michael Cohen's office etc.
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:Why would the GOP care about donald trump's base? donald trumps base has been doing an awful job of getting anyone but donald trump elected. Bare in mind, that 60% is in a "GOOD" economy. A recession hits and his good will evaporates to a floor of possibly below 35%
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RBA Starblade posted:I'm in when do we get the MEC troopers and gene soldiers to supplement the supersoldiers I’ll sacrifice my arms and legs to be able to smash a muton’s face in with my robot fists. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PG9xz7AEnCs
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Brony Car posted:The senate race in Mississippi is not close enough for a useless succ Dem like me to have hope, right? Correct. It might be a too-early-to-call or maybe even a too-close-to-call when the polls close, but racism is like catnip to white people in Mississippi. Cindy Hyde-Smith is, barring a miracle, going to win. Owlofcreamcheese posted:Why would the GOP care about donald trump's base? donald trumps base has been doing an awful job of getting anyone but donald trump elected. Trump's base decides who wins primaries at every level and until they no longer do so the GOP will continue to bow and scrape to them. Fritz Coldcockin fucked around with this message at 16:51 on Nov 27, 2018 |
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At a certain point the House will need to impeach regardless of how hosed the Senate is if the report is as damning as some people think. The political reality of not having the Senate votes won't be an acceptable answer to the public for why a Democratic House sits on its hands. Frankly either party having 2/3 of the Senate is basically impossible short of one party totally collapsing so admitting that impeachment is a 100% partisan action is Congress totally abdicating any check it has on the Presidency. The House has to start the motion and let the Senate go on record that they support the criminal actions of their President. Otherwise they will look like they aren't interested in doing what they were elected to do as one of the only actually (ignoring gerrymandering) part of the Federal government that is representative of popular voting.
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:More specifically, you can't use attorney-client privilege in furtherance of new crime. If you can show that the privilege was used in furtherance of new crimes, then you can pierce the privilege generally. Hell I forgot about Cohen. Am I just unable to form new memories? What is happening? ... Who's Cohen?
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TulliusCicero posted:Bare in mind, that 60% is in a "GOOD" economy. A recession hits and his good will evaporates to a floor of possibly below 35% that and a recession is coming and probably a bad one exacerbated by trumps stupid trade war poo poo mixed with other stuff.
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:Why would the GOP care about donald trump's base? donald trumps base has been doing an awful job of getting anyone but donald trump elected. all the nevertrumpers have been purged, so that's one reason they would care: they've seen what happens when you go against trump. and it's not "trump's base", it's the republican base. 60 percent general disapproval means nothing when he has 90 percent republican approval. you know, the people who vote for republicans. impeaching a president 90 percent of your party base supports is a fantastic way to massively depress your side's turnout the next election. you're also ignoring that trump did actually increase republican turnout from normal levels for republicans, it's just that dems turned out in even greater levels. it's not like normal democratic turnout and depressed republican turnout would lead to any better a result.
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mdemone posted:Hell I forgot about Cohen. Am I just unable to form new memories? What is happening? Get a tattoo on your chest that reads MICHAEL C. AIDED AND ABETTED MY PRESIDENT
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Radish posted:At a certain point the House will need to impeach regardless of how hosed the Senate is if the report is as damning as some people think. The political reality of not having the Senate votes won't be an acceptable answer to the public for why a Democratic House sits on its hands. Schiff is itching to put Nunes in the hot seat and put the House Investigation back on track. I imagine he will move quickly, especially after these new revelations.
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:Why would the GOP care about donald trump's base? donald trumps base has been doing an awful job of getting anyone but donald trump elected. I feel like the GOP cares for Trump's base because it is made up of a significant portion of their own base, and disavowing Trump and Trumpism is a good way for them to alienate that portion. Trump supporters did not come from the left or the middle, and a kinder gentler more palatable to everyone compassionate conservatism isn't going to appeal to those folks who finally got a taste of pure undiluted pandering.
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mdemone posted:Hell I forgot about Cohen. Am I just unable to form new memories? What is happening? Cohen was lawyer guy. GreyjoyBastard’s occasional avatar in between being owned by the mad cobber.
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Radish posted:At a certain point the House will need to impeach regardless of how hosed the Senate is if the report is as damning as some people think. The political reality of not having the Senate votes won't be an acceptable answer to the public for why a Democratic House sits on its hands. Also the calculus for a vulnerable GOP Senator becomes "am I going to lose an election over this?" I've been saying it for a while, but in the hypothetical that Mueller reports extremely damning evidence of lengthy criminal conspiracies to steal the election (and god knows what else, I'm just shorthanding), I'm not sure there aren't ~20 Republican senators who would rather save their own asses. Maybe that's me assuming they are all as cynical and calculating, but I reckon we might get to find out.
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But Hillary supposedly got a debate question in advance on time guys. https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/1067417760072900608?s=19
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Lightning Knight posted:Cohen was lawyer guy. GreyjoyBastard’s occasional avatar in between being owned by the mad cobber. We need sarcasm tags back, I guess.
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:No, people are getting excited over nothing. He'd have a chance if it were a House race I think and he might go under the radar but his only path is high dem turnout / low rep turnout and racist comments are going to encourage turnout of the white republican base in Mississippi. Anything is possible and the fact that Republicans are all sweaty over a Mississippi race proves that there's a shot. Calling this "nothing," from the day it was clear that there's going to be a runoff, puts Democrats in the position of hopelessness. Being hopeless makes people stay home, not donate, not put in any effort. Calling this race nothing perpetuates this self defeating narrative. This is exactly the opposite of what won us the House, beat Roy Moore, and gave us candidates like AOC. I donated thousands of dollars to House races and mostly losing Senate and gubernatorial races and I regret none of it.
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:No, people are getting excited over nothing. He'd have a chance if it were a House race I think and he might go under the radar but his only path is high dem turnout / low rep turnout and racist comments are going to encourage turnout of the white republican base in Mississippi. Well at least I did my part and voted for him. le sigh
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:No, people are getting excited over nothing. He'd have a chance if it were a House race I think and he might go under the radar but his only path is high dem turnout / low rep turnout and racist comments are going to encourage turnout of the white republican base in Mississippi. *pearl clutching* ypipo: "WE ARE NOT RACIST!" *turn out in droves to vote for the lynching comment lady* white devils: "That'll show'em..."
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:More specifically, you can't use attorney-client privilege in furtherance of new crime. If you can show that the privilege was used in furtherance of new crimes, then you can pierce the privilege generally. They raided Cohen's office but were going to allow Cohen + Trump to argue privilege, which is why the materials were reviewed by a special master and not the FBI directly It would have gone poorly for Cohen + Trump arguing privilege, because Cohen is mostly a fixer and wannabe mobster, not a lawyer But it's all moot because Cohen + Trump waived privilege to all the interesting stuff I don't think there was any whiffs or reports of the FBI trying to pierce privilege, just lots of stuff that was not privileged because lol Cohen
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TulliusCicero posted:Bare in mind, that 60% is in a "GOOD" economy. A recession hits and his good will evaporates to a floor of possibly below 35% yeah, people keep going 'trump's base this" and "trump's base that". Trump's base is his base and love him no matter what. But why would that matter to any other republican not named trump? Trump's base loving trump extra a lot hasn't been translating into election wins. At some point if muller doesn't turn out to be actually a fake news witch hunt against innocent donald trump sticking with trump might be a thing you can only do if you don't want to be elected again.
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:yeah, people keep going 'trump's base this" and "trump's base that". Trump's base is his base and love him no matter what. But why would that matter to any other republican not named trump? Trump's base loving trump extra a lot hasn't been translating into election wins. At some point if muller doesn't turn out to be actually a fake news witch hunt against innocent donald trump sticking with trump might be a thing you can only do if you don't want to be elected again. because if you vote to impeach someone who the republican base loves they won't vote for you.
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mdemone posted:Also the calculus for a vulnerable GOP Senator becomes "am I going to lose an election over this?" Given Lindsey Graham's conduct lately, my suspicion is that if and when hard absolute proof of Trump crimes from multiple sources finally emerges . . . all the Republican senators will still defend him, because the Republican base does.not.care what Trump does. A 25th amendment scenario with Pence riding in as the Good Republican is more likely than a 2/3rds vote to convict on impeachment in the Senate, and even that's extremely unlikely unless Trump's medical condition deteriorates even further and he does something that can't be papered over, like drop trou and defecate in public, etc.
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mdemone posted:Also the calculus for a vulnerable GOP Senator becomes "am I going to lose an election over this?" I don't think the report is going to sway Republican voters in any meaningful amount because they either support stealing elections or are able to bend their brains to explain why Trump is a victim. There would have to be some impressively bad internal polling that people that have never voted or haven't in years are getting ready to vote Democratic in order to overcome their own base before any started to get on board impeachment. Right now Senators are not even willing to contradict him on social media when he insults them personally so saying they are willing to remove the Republican president is something I can't even think of happening without some major realigning of the party's voters perception of him.
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mdemone posted:We need sarcasm tags back, I guess. Oh sorry I figured you were serious. I have memory problems and trouble recalling who all the various stage players are at this point. 
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