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Dapper_Swindler posted:don't worry, its gonna get worse for everyone. So how hosed are we if Russia and Ukraine get into a war?
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Willo567 posted:So how hosed are we if Russia and Ukraine get into a war? On a scale of 1-10? Extremely. Edit: actually, I take that back, because Trump woudln't move against Daddy Putin so he'll just let it happen.
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Chomskyan posted:Ok but this isn't a moral justification so much as a reflexive defense of the privileged group. It's not wrong, but many people don't care about asylum seekers or long term undocumented residents from countries we've had a recent direct hand in disrupting. We're a selfish, privileged people. Switzerland is a wealthy country with plenty of historical misdeeds and they don't care either -- their immigration and citizenship criteria is tough as hell because they want to maintain that privilege for their own citizens. Who is your constituency of current US voters that gets you to 50-60% popular support for completely open borders when we can't even do it for DACA folk? What is their personal financial motivation given current struggles under the status quo? KingNastidon fucked around with this message at 03:15 on Nov 28, 2018 |
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Chomskyan posted:Greyjoy you seemed to write that citizenship isn't a legitimate concept so I feel like we more or less agree. Not sure what to respond to in your post. When I say "open borders" I mean free movement of people regardless of their place of birth. Not that you cant put up checkpoints to ask if someone has fruit in their bag or whatever. okay! I had an argument a couple months ago about customs controls with a more extreme than me open borders person so I thought something might conceivably come up.  I'm still chewing on eg the income tax et al thing. I think a USSA should OBVIOUSLY be able to tax the megarich wherever they flee, but it seems rude to whack someone with forever taxation because they popped in for five years and took their nest egg back to Jamaica.
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Ate My Balls Redux posted:Pretend I put handclap emojis between each word here. Well there's your problem, because most of the current management for the dems is of the belief that compromise with devils and child rapists is just how "good politics" occurs.
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Your Taint posted:On a scale of 1-10? Extremely. But seriously, Trump wouldn't launch an attack on Russia to distract from Mueller, would he? Or would he just go for a proxy war (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Nov 28, 2018 03:14
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Chomskyan posted:Ok but this isn't a moral justification so much as a reflexive defense of the privileged group. Ok, now explain it in a manner in which a chud comes around to open borders.
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Nov 28, 2018 03:16
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Willo567 posted:But seriously, Trump wouldn't launch an attack on Russia to distract from Mueller, would he? Or would he just go for a proxy war Of course not He'd launch an attack on Ukraine
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Willo567 posted:But seriously, Trump wouldn't launch an attack on Russia to distract from Mueller, would he? Or would he just go for a proxy war Wasn’t that whole attack on Syria “against Russia’s wishes” covering for him firing Comey. Seems like 3 lifetimes ago.
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Willo567 posted:But seriously, Trump wouldn't launch an attack on Russia to distract from Mueller, would he? Or would he just go for a proxy war 
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Willo567 posted:But seriously, Trump wouldn't launch an attack on Russia to distract from Mueller, would he? Or would he just go for a proxy war Please read what you intend to post before actually posting it.
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For the person who lectured me for using old C-pap equipment, just wanted to update you, I got a new mask, new tubing, new filters, and mask wipes today. I shaved my face for maximum comfort as well. God my face feels weird. Thanks for giving me the push to do something for my health I should have done a long time ago
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Willo567 posted:But seriously, Trump wouldn't launch an attack on Russia to distract from Mueller, would he? Or would he just go for a proxy war  Calm down man. You fear thermonuclear war everytime something happens
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Willo567 posted:But seriously, Trump wouldn't launch an attack on Russia to distract from Mueller, would he? Or would he just go for a proxy war What does this have to do with North Korea?
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Nov 28, 2018 03:20
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Sorry, I just worry about how that fat orange turd could screw all of us over. God I hate him
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Nov 28, 2018 03:24
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Nov 28, 2018 03:26
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KingNastidon posted:It's not wrong, but many people don't care about asylum seekers or long term undocumented residents from countries we've had a recent direct hand in disrupting. We're a selfish, privileged people. Switzerland is a wealthy country with plenty of historical misdeeds and they don't care either -- their immigration and citizenship criteria is tough as hell because they want to maintain that privilege for their own citizens. "how do we get there" is a different question than "should we want to get there" possibly less different for Chomskyan than for me, but still economic analysis of the impact of immigrants is one of the things that helped swing me from libertarian ish to social democrat, though, so for non morons I think it's very possible the numbers might actually work out and be convincing how to handle the moron demographic is admittedly an always crucial political strategy question, perhaps the most crucial
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Chomskyan posted:So Schumer is not offering $1.6 B for "border security"? No, apparently he was talking about what he's ALREADY given away. We don't know what he is planning to give away in the future because 'he doesn't negotiate in public".
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Nov 28, 2018 03:31
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Chomskyan posted:Greyjoy you seemed to write that citizenship isn't a legitimate concept so I feel like we more or less agree. Not sure what to respond to in your post. When I say "open borders" I mean free movement of people regardless of their place of birth. Not that you cant put up checkpoints to ask if someone has fruit in their bag or whatever. Something Awful user Chomskyan is clearly a fake socialist who wants to persecute the fruit-havers! 
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Nov 28, 2018 03:38
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lol, everything sucks https://twitter.com/EoinHiggins_/status/1067600156860866560
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Nov 28, 2018 03:41
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Chomskyan posted:lol, everything sucks ahhhhhhh gently caress you Bernie god dammit, stop being such a loving grandpa. Edit: Barbara Lee 2020
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Nov 28, 2018 03:42
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Meanwhile in MS, its beginning to look like the pro-lynching ghoul is going to eventually pull out a narrow win by around mid-single digits, but its too early to tell for sure. Espy is greatly outperforming his November 6 result, so there is a turnout change (ie Republicans staying home, Dems still voting compared to election day) but it probably wont be enough.
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Nov 28, 2018 03:43
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Chomskyan posted:lol, everything sucks This is why Bernie isn't the future folks.
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Nov 28, 2018 03:44
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Lightning Knight posted:ahhhhhhh gently caress you Bernie god dammit, stop being such a loving grandpa. you know who's been good on asylum seekers and CBP in general and tear gas in particular so far that's right (Gillibrand was admittedly specifically bad on immigration in the House - I actually have a theory that people flipping out about it on her appointment as Senator was a part of her general leftward shift) obviously this is a particular manifestation of the Big Gillibrand Question: secret progressive who no longer had to hide, genuine change of heart, or amoral windvane? I personally lean towards the second
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Nov 28, 2018 03:51
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Chomskyan posted:lol, everything sucks is it really so hard to say "border patrol shouldn't be gassing asylum seekers"? it doesn't matter if they don't have a legitimate claim, they shouldn't be gassed
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Nov 28, 2018 03:52
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GreyjoyBastard posted:you know who's been good on asylum seekers and CBP in general and tear gas in particular so far She can't be president if she's too busy corralling Senate Democrats and personally disemboweling Mitch McConnell, which is what I'm convinced is her true destiny and calling. ^ this is the number one thing that frustrates me about Bernie Sanders. His narratives about how the rich are vampires who hate you aren't complicated but when it comes time to protect marginalized communities, suddenly we need nuance and to be fairs and other bullshit. If Bernie talked mad poo poo in defense of marginalized communities the way he does about the rich I would love it.
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Espy is beating the margin! (of the last democratic candidate to run for that seat..he's down 12 with 54% in, which is a lot better than the 22 the last person lost by)
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Lightning Knight posted:She can't be president if she's too busy corralling Senate Democrats and personally disemboweling Mitch McConnell, which is what I'm convinced is her true destiny and calling. okay yeah Majority Leader Kirsten Gillibrand would definitely make me a happy man unfortunately she can't really primary Chuck, heh also I'm worried that a few too many Dem Senators might hate her for the Franken Incident
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Nov 28, 2018 03:54
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Wasserman is calling it https://twitter.com/Redistrict/status/1067610254106599424
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Charlz Guybon posted:https://fivethirtyeight.com/live-blog/mississippi-senate-runoff-election-results/ lmao Liveblogging this foregone election is such a dick move, kiss off Nate let your writers go home to their families.
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RuanGacho posted:This is why Bernie isn't the future folks. Which Dem is messaging immigration correctly?
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mcmagic posted:Which Dem is messaging immigration correctly? https://twitter.com/RepBarbaraLee/status/1067154930866229264
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Condiv posted:skex has made it quite clear he's against the concept Once again you are projecting a strawman of what you think that I believe. I said that it's not a politically viable idea and that it will take time to get people to buy into the concept. Philosophically I believe that given that capital has mobility that labor should have similar mobility. There is a difference between an open border policy that allows people mobility and an unsecured border. I do understand the argument that any level of security provides an opportunity to restrict entry but if the political will is there such opportunity is irrelevant. I also recognize that there are people out there who do wish us harm. And the last thing that we need is for there to be a major attack on American soil particularly after living through 9/11 and the aftermath as one of the few people trying to explain that invading Afghanistan was a stupid idea that gave Al Qeda exactly what they wanted. Particularly given that the Taliban basically said "show us evidence that he was behind the attack and we'll turn him over". So yeah I'm not big on the idea of an unsecured border because having been trained in anti-terrorism and having a pretty good idea of how things work and having witnessed just how eager the public in America are to bomb the poo poo out of people, after having watched W go from an unpopular likely 1 term President to a two term disaster leaving us with a legacy of torture, GITMO and two wars that are still going I'm not eager to provide the right with an obvious path for their Reichstag fire. Not when we already have better, easier fights that we can win, including addressing our current horrific immigration and asylum policies. It's not a smart fight to pick, not when we're talking about kicking off a government shutdown over it which has some real consequences for people and cause real harm which would result in a change in political support. Also it's not like nixing that funding would actually result in an open border policy. Because do you really believe that the general public who I will remind you was not supportive of a government shutdown to win protections for the Dreamers which does have popular support would feel differently about it if the cause is opening our borders? That's not even getting into potential issues that unilaterally opening our borders might create that we haven't considered. Nor are we prepared to debate the matter, because your typical call people names isn't going to win people over. I mean you can't be bothered to discuss this with me beyond calling me names and I'm generally supportive of the concept, exactly how well do you think that's going to work on people who are actively opposed to it?
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Condiv posted:is it really so hard to say "border patrol shouldn't be gassing asylum seekers"? it doesn't matter if they don't have a legitimate claim, they shouldn't be gassed ok, shame on me for just buying into the framing of the title. while he doesn't explicitly say "border patrol shouldn't be gassing asylum seekers" in the clip, he does say we need immigration reform, and that asylum seekers should not be demonized. the interviewer asks him at the start if he thinks every person looking for asylum has a legitimate claim, and he says no far better than the tweet implied Condiv fucked around with this message at 04:07 on Nov 28, 2018 |
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mcmagic posted:Which Dem is messaging immigration correctly? https://twitter.com/brianschatz/status/1066928205041348608 https://twitter.com/brianschatz/status/1067061217020112896 He also called the tear gassing a war crime but deleted that tweet after some conservative pundit got a ton of twitter racists to threaten him and Hawaii
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