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I see Voyager and Enterprise as inverses of each other. Voyager had lots of great ideas, but they consistently whiffed on the execution. Enterprise felt more like the cast and crew were putting their heart and soul into it and trying their absolute best, but the writers were completely out of ideas. To be clear, in both cases I put the blame on the writers rather than the cast & crew, for the most part... Just in kind of different ways. Voyager's problems were on more of a micro level, Enterprise's were more macro.
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Sir Lemming posted:I see Voyager and Enterprise as inverses of each other. Voyager had lots of great ideas, but they consistently whiffed on the execution. Enterprise felt more like the cast and crew were putting their heart and soul into it and trying their absolute best, but the writers were completely out of ideas. Yeah, I think the ENT actors were all trying their best unlike some of the VOY cast. I mean a couple of them just didn't have the chops really, but it wasn't lack of effort.
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Epicurius posted:So Weyoun and Weytoun? What am weyoun?
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Nov 29, 2018 15:22
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Spock's Weyoun
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EvilTaytoMan posted:Spock's Weyoun Well Spock is a clone replacement of himself
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Nov 29, 2018 16:36
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The Bloop posted:Well Spock is a clone replacement of himself Who isn't at this point? O'Brien, Kim, isnt Picard too? Riker if you cross your eyes.
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Nov 29, 2018 18:40
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Pakled posted:You could watch all four seasons of that show and forget Malcolm Reed existed within a day.
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Nov 29, 2018 18:47
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Son of Sam-I-Am posted:Who isn't at this point? O'Brien, Kim, isnt Picard too? Riker if you cross your eyes. Who knows what the Borg did with Picard The Doctor cloned himself into the diagnostic program
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Nov 29, 2018 19:04
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The Bloop posted:The Doctor cloned himself into the diagnostic program You can install as many copies of the Doctor as you have valid licenses, though, so he doesn't count.
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Nov 29, 2018 19:20
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Son of Sam-I-Am posted:Who isn't at this point? O'Brien, Kim, isnt Picard too? Riker if you cross your eyes. I still maintain that Kim isn't, but the rest of Voyager is.
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Nov 29, 2018 19:24
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MikeJF posted:I still maintain that Kim isn't, but the rest of Voyager is. If you choose to see the show through Harry Kim's POV, sure.
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Nov 29, 2018 19:30
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Everyone besides Sisko, Dax, Bashir, and the people on the Defiant was annihilated in the DS9 episode Past Tense and we have been watching the inhabitants of the Sisko-Bell timeline since then.
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Nov 29, 2018 19:49
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No we're watching the results of the Quark Roswell timeline
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Nov 29, 2018 19:59
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We just need Neo-Trotskyists to come to power in France soon
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Edit: never mind, too many to mention, but the basic message is the ongoing continuous existence of anyone in Trek is probably like 5 years, max.
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The Noodle Incident posted:Or The Voyage Home timeline No those timelines ended with the most recent timeline shift. I think right shortly after the Quark Roswell timeline we are in the sympathetic Romulan from early 24th century went through a wormhole to Voyager timeline.
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Nov 29, 2018 20:18
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That would be an interesting thing for a turbonerd to do: list every possible timeline split or instance of time travel or changing or existing in 'the past' to figure out just how many universes we've been Star Trekking through.
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Nov 29, 2018 21:05
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Iirc RLM did roughly that
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VanSandman posted:That would be an interesting thing for a turbonerd to do: list every possible timeline split or instance of time travel or changing or existing in 'the past' to figure out just how many universes we've been Star Trekking through. Wormholes are a passage through space and time, so every single time they go through the wormhole in DS9, they arrive at a very similar but distinct universe.
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My favorite part of deep space nine is anytime Sisko says the name of the show in a commander's log. Things are calm here on DEEP SPACE NINE That's just the way things go on DEEP SPACE NINE It's time to take back DEEP SPACE NINE As far as I know Picard never says "The Next Generation" and that's why it's a weaker show overall
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Nov 29, 2018 21:35
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TNG really did have a uniquely 80s name. It also has a sense of finality about it too, like "they aren't going to let us do this again, so we don't even need to make it all that different because it's not like there will be 4 more series." It's not even an accurate name, there are at least two other generations between TOS and TNG!
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The Bloop posted:Wormholes are a passage through space and time, so every single time they go through the wormhole in DS9, they arrive at a very similar but distinct universe. This is basically like the way Timeline worked, where they were travelling to an alternate reality which was identical to our world but a specific amount of time distant from our own, so you couldn't keep going back to the same moment, it was always 700 years earlier than the moment you left from. And subsequently, though not outright stated to my recollection, there exists another universe which is that same amount of time distant from us, only in the future. I think that method of "time travel" is pretty unique in fiction, I can't recall another story I've read which argues time travel to be impossible but provides a way to sort of do it anyway through quantum bullshit.
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Didn't they end up changing the past for real in the movie? Like they found the grave of their friend who stayed behind?
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That's in the book, too. And it's because of that second paragraph.
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Terra Nova: Mayweather expresses deep lifelong interest in the planet the ship is about to visit. Archer takes him along, but doesn’t let him do anything more interesting than drive and guard the shuttle. At the end of the episode he makes Mayweather file all the paperwork. On the other hand, this time when T’Pol points out that Archer’s cunning plan to abduct the natives to earth is loving stupid, he actually listens to her skasion fucked around with this message at 22:47 on Nov 29, 2018 |
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Nov 29, 2018 22:44
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Brawnfire posted:All I wanted out of Enterprise was the Romulan-Earth war. And they never got there. It's just too much to bear. So much this.
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I will only accept this if Spock also yells "The women!" after a transporter malfunction.
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Stupid Sexy Spock
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skasion posted:Voyager has MANY bad episodes that are totally unmemorable rather than being terrible and weird. Like the more than one episode about Janeway loving holo-Irishmen. I do think they were also generally zanier and more amusing than Enterprise though. Enterprise is going for a much more quotidian, less cartoonish vibe. If they could have made that work, I think it would have made for a better show than Voyager. Unfortunately both shows were written and produced by assclowns so in the event it just means that Enterprise is a less interesting failure. But what about that super memorable Mall Of The Millennium episode?
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Pakled posted:We just need Neo-Trotskyists to come to power in France soon And Paris is the capital of earth/federation. Federation is a Trot empire.
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The Bloop posted:Yeah, I think the ENT actors were all trying their best unlike some of the VOY cast. I mean a couple of them just didn't have the chops really, but it wasn't lack of effort. They were written just so badly and so blandly that it only makes sense that most of the VOY cast just gradually tuned out. Seven seasons and they never even actually decided what tribe Chakotay was from!
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Sure they did. He was from, uh, Native.
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Cat Hatter posted:But what about that super memorable Mall Of The Millennium episode?
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I thought he was from the "Rubber people" of central america, or something. Wasn't that the tribe in Tattoo?
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My ancestor was part of this important millennium thing. I'm an expert in the 20th century and that person never existed.
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Cojawfee posted:My ancestor was part of this important millennium thing. Oh, not 20th century, no; he's a 21st century ancestor. I see.
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Galvanik posted:I thought he was from the "Rubber people" of central america, or something. Wasn't that the tribe in Tattoo? Yep. That's where we find out that Native Americans are aliens.
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We never find out about his specific tribe because the literal huckster fake they hired as their consultant probably didn't even know enough.
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