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I'm mad at NDT for digging his own grave with that indian handshake bullshit or saying he was just looking for Uranus under her dress when literally all he needed to say was "I'm sorry." It's kind of a problem when any criticism of a public figure is treated as "rabid" or trying to ruin someone's life. That's how Kavanaugh got on the SC.
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Burt posted:During WWI the generals were moaning about the state of the cannon fodder being sent to them which brought about free school meals and free milk for primary school kids. Union threats during WWII are responsible for a number of labor concessions in the United States that are still enjoyed by workers today. It's almost like the rich refuse to make concessions unless they think they themselves are in jeopardy! Kawasaki Nun fucked around with this message at 23:57 on Dec 2, 2018 |
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I knew an Army dentist who worked at Benning in-processing the recruits and he had some absolute horror stories of kids from the sticks getting their first dental checkups ever. There was a regular process down for getting them fitted out with dentures while still keeping to their drill dates. Had at least one case where the 18 year old kid only had weeks to maybe months to live given the severity of the untreated abscesses (plural) boring towards his brain cavity. He honestly preferred it to private practice since he could just concentrate on providing actual care and not worry about having to sell housewives on dental cosmetics to cover the insurance costs.
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yeah we had one dude that had just about every tooth pulled, it was badTerrifying Effigies posted:Had at least one case where the 18 year old kid only had weeks to maybe months to live given the severity of the untreated abscesses (plural) boring towards his brain cavity.  I mean gently caress, cannot even get mad at the kids. It’s just bad parenting, education, and lack of accessible services Nostalgia4Dogges fucked around with this message at 00:09 on Dec 3, 2018 |
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Fister Roboto posted:I'm mad at NDT for digging his own grave with that indian handshake bullshit or saying he was just looking for Uranus under her dress when literally all he needed to say was "I'm sorry." I dont know, I can understand someone in a situation where they came across as creepy unintentionally (and didnt know about it for years in some case), or being falsely accused of something, wanting to explain their side of the story. That seems like a completely normal reaction to me, and nerdy guys unintentionally coming across as creepy is so common it's cliche. I honestly didnt find anything wrong with his statement, in the context that he is a huge nerd.
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Dec 3, 2018 00:25
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He can try to explain it all he wants, it doesn't make it appropriate behavior though. Also I'm a huge loving nerd and I agonize constantly about my behavior around other people, especially women, so I don't think that's a good excuse.
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Kings Bay got hit by a tornado. Damage and a couple of injuries
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Nostalgia4Dogges posted:but then we wouldn’t have our Starship Troopers forever war society so 🤷🏽♀️ The cost of The Forever War was at about six trillion last time I checked. And while a paltry paltry amount went into the pockets of posters here, you all could have had healthcare and skipped your headstart on the road to be crippled by your service if idiots didn't keep electing idiots. I find that even more depressing than the fact that you have the anger mango in the whitehouse now.
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Fister Roboto posted:He can try to explain it all he wants, it doesn't make it appropriate behavior though. I dont think he ever said it was acceptable tho. He made the point that if he had realised he would have apologised on the spot. I mean the real big one is the claim of drugging and raping a girl. Making a woman uncomfortable isn't great, sure, but it's not a crime either.
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And for whomever said it was weird to screenshot poo poo...if you get divorced or have a crazy ex or whatever, you loving document EVERYTHING. I have every text and email my ex sent me after we started arguing about whether/when I'd get to see my kid again. You loving document everything.
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Godholio posted:And for whomever said it was weird to screenshot poo poo...if you get divorced or have a crazy ex or whatever, you loving document EVERYTHING. I have every text and email my ex sent me after we started arguing about whether/when I'd get to see my kid again. You loving document everything. Had a mental ex, this is true. If you can just plain walk away, do that first. Else you end up in the weirdo situation I got in a while ago where the local cops were basically prompting me into documenting it because I was too into the crazy idiot to realise it was important. Worked out fine, wish I’d listened to them earlier.
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Burt posted:During WWI the generals were moaning about the state of the cannon fodder being sent to them which brought about free school meals and free milk for primary school kids. That’s the “joke”.
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Terrifying Effigies posted:Had at least one case where the 18 year old kid only had weeks to maybe months to live given the severity of the untreated abscesses (plural) boring towards his brain cavity. Holy loving poo poo
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kupachek posted:The cost of The Forever War was at about six trillion last time I checked. And while a paltry paltry amount went into the pockets of posters here, you all could have had healthcare and skipped your headstart on the road to be crippled by your service if idiots didn't keep electing idiots. But war is good for the economy!
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TF CURES GENERATOR posted:I dont think he ever said it was acceptable tho. That's the problem though, he should have realized it.
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Milo and POTUS posted:But war is good for the economy! Touche. Silly me, what was I thinking. So, who'll be invaded next to prop up the economy? There hasn't been an American invasion in the western hemisphere for a couple decades now.
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kupachek posted:Touche. We've been too busy playing Just the Tip in Africa and Syria.
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kupachek posted:Touche. Can we invade Argentina or Chile before I hit 20? Wanna occupy somewhere nice for a change.
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Stultus Maximus posted:Can we invade Argentina or Chile before I hit 20? Wanna occupy somewhere nice for a change. Mark my words, it's gonna be Venezuela.
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Fister Roboto posted:That's the problem though, he should have realized it. Realized what, specifically? Because the shoulder thing, while creepy, seems like an odd reason to try and gently caress over a guy who has spent a while championing access to STEM for girls.
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Godholio posted:Realized what, specifically? Because the shoulder thing, while creepy, seems like an odd reason to try and gently caress over a guy who has spent a while championing access to STEM for girls. Shoulder thing was creepy, but hardly rose to the level of "let's put this in the nation press." The rest of the stuff is dubious, which is probably why no major publication ran with it.
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Godholio posted:Realized what, specifically? Because the shoulder thing, while creepy, seems like an odd reason to try and gently caress over a guy who has spent a while championing access to STEM for girls. Nobody's trying to gently caress him over. Calling out bad behavior doesn't mean you're trying to ruin someone's life, and again, the fact that it keeps getting framed that way is a huge part of the problem. And yeah, he should have realized that reaching under someone's clothes without their permission is pretty bad!
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Milo and POTUS posted:But war is good for the economy! only if you're winning and looting the poo poo out of the idiot fuckers you're killing
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Stultus Maximus posted:Can we invade Argentina or Chile before I hit 20? Wanna occupy somewhere nice for a change. A lot of Vietnam is real nice. Not gonna lie, so is Afghanistan. There must be something else going on that makes them lovely.
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Fister Roboto posted:Nobody's trying to gently caress him over. Calling out bad behavior doesn't mean you're trying to ruin someone's life, and again, the fact that it keeps getting framed that way is a huge part of the problem. I dunno, taking stories like that to the press years later seems pretty aggressive/unnecessary. What else are you after in that situation? This (probably) isn't a Cosby situation.
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It is worth mentioning there is an allegation of drugging and raping a woman (in 1984). That should be treated seriously.
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TF CURES GENERATOR posted:It is worth mentioning there is an allegation of drugging and raping a woman (in 1984). That should be treated seriously. There's a lot of doubt about that one specifically. The other two are basically corroborated. At least unlike Kavanaugh, Fox and others are conducting a serious investigation.
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Godholio posted:I dunno, taking stories like that to the press years later seems pretty aggressive/unnecessary. What else are you after in that situation? This (probably) isn't a Cosby situation. Are you defensive of NgDT in particular or do you assume women generally are liars and try to ruin lots of men? It’s extremely easy to stay quiet until more facts come out, but one course of action is to paint women as liars and are waiting in the wings to hit you with a sex crime charge for no reason.
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IIRC Spanish Flu was called that because they were basically the only ones that reported it. It haopened right after WWI and what great news to tell everyone who suffered casualties for years already. Other countries were absolutely affected by it. The reason it was so deadly, again iirc, was that it was a different type. Basically, the first flu we get kinda imprints a "how to kill flu!" Thing for your immune system. Problem is that flu isnt a one-type virus, it has multiple. See H1N1. So the body struggles against different viruses like H1N9 or some poo poo. Sometimes it is really bad. So if you have the "how to kill this virus" guide book, great! If not, uh oh. The people that mainly died during the Spanish Flu were our age. People that were in the sweet spot between the old enough to have gotten a type of flu like the one ripping a part that area, or young enough to have their body "make a guide about how to kill the flu." Everyone else who already had a flu "guidebook" obviously didnt have their book work and they lost their lives sometimes. poo poo was wild reading about but its been years.
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Soulex posted:IIRC Spanish Flu was called that because they were basically the only ones that reported it. It haopened right after WWI and what great news to tell everyone who suffered casualties for years already. Other countries were absolutely affected by it. The reason it was so deadly, again iirc, was that it was a different type. Was this why people in the young-n-healthy age bracket had that autoimmune response that destroyed their lungs?
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Godholio posted:I dunno, taking stories like that to the press years later seems pretty aggressive/unnecessary. What else are you after in that situation? This (probably) isn't a Cosby situation. I remember people saying the same thing about Cosby, and Kavanaugh, and the Catholic Church, and and and etc. I don't see the risk in taking all allegations seriously.
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FAUXTON posted:Was this why people in the young-n-healthy age bracket had that autoimmune response that destroyed their lungs? A mixture of that and if you're immunocompromised like children and elderly, your body simply can't muster up the autoimmune response that kills you. So you just get the flu. If your immune system is functioning normally, your body freaks the gently caress out and throws everything at your lungs--this just spirals into a higher fever and more inflammation until either the flu dies or you do.
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There is zero reason any of this raping/drugging accusation should be tried in the court of public opinion. It should be criminally investigated. By the cops. And if there’s truth to the accusations then they can prosecute and convict him. Accepting either persons story over the others is... Problematic. At best. It can become something much uglier pretty fast from there.
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mlmp08 posted:Are you defensive of NgDT in particular or do you assume women generally are liars and try to ruin lots of men? This situation in particular feels like bullshit. So far the credible stories are that he was a little creepy touching a woman's shoulder, and a woman thought he hit on her. This is news. Yeah, I'm a fan of NDT. I listen to his podcast, where he CONSTANTLY features successful women in a wide variety of STEM fields and other careers, champions letting girls ask questions/get curious/think critically instead of shoehorning them into "traditional" roles. The idea that he's a serial predator just doesn't fit with the persona that the guy has put on display for the past couple of decades. Can someone pull off a lie like that? Absolutely - Cosby did it. But those stories started off far worse than these. And once they gained traction, they came flowing out of the shadows rapidly. That's not happening here. All we have are a couple of weird moments and one dubious claim. If we start seeing credible complaints (like with Cosby and Kavanaugh) then I'm certainly not going to defend against them. I'm a big fan of actually investigating this poo poo when these complaints are made. But the first two...I don't know what there is to investigate. His explanation sounds reasonable, and lines up pretty well with the original stories I saw about it. The other one...if someone thinks there's enough credence there to investigate, ok. If they actually FIND something, ok. I don't think that's how it would shake out, but I'm not willing to bet my paycheck on it.
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redneck nazgul posted:A mixture of that and if you're immunocompromised like children and elderly, your body simply can't muster up the autoimmune response that kills you. So you just get the flu. But the 1918 pandemic flu (and a couple others to lesser extent since) essentially freaked out the immune system so much that it ruined the lungs in a startlingly small amount of time. More than a day, but certainly within 7-10.
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LtCol J. Krusinski posted:There is zero reason any of this raping/drugging accusation should be tried in the court of public opinion. It should be criminally investigated. By the cops. And if there’s truth to the accusations then they can prosecute and convict him. This also what I said earlier, making a woman feel uncomfortable isn't great but is not a crime and, bluntly, I dont think any reason to drag someone over the coals.
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NDT deserves extra scrutiny because of his role as an ambassador of science. You can't attract women to STEM fields and then say "watch out for this guy, he's a little handsy, but he's a nerd so it's OK".
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Please stop, this is the same argument that's been going on for ages now and it comes down to what you think is appropriate behaviour, for whom and when, and when in the past. The entire argument is specious and can't go anywhere. Nobody can win this one.
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Not that I think NdT is necessarily a rapist but "he's such an outspoken champion of race and women" is exactly what people said about Aziz Ansari before we found out he was rapey as hell Also "it's ok that he makes women uncomfortable until he apologizes a decade later because he also supports women!" isn't very convincing. You're putting the burden on women to suck it up and deal with dudes who don't know personal boundaries because it's what's best for their gender. Again I don't think he's actually a rapist but that he "well actually"d his response forces people to make the stance of "it's ok he skeeved out some women unintentionallh because he's an ambassador for women" This could have been a major teaching moment where he just said something like "I apologize to all the women who I have made uncomfortable unknowingly. I have never had any ill intentions towards any of them and I am deeply sorry I made them feel afraid for their safety when someone in my position and goals should be striving to be a protective influence for women. As a man of science this is an incredibly humbling and painful sign that I still have much to learn about myself and those around me. So I will strive to do better and make sure I don't make anyone feel uncomfortable around me again." yadda yadda ya something like that
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