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https://twitter.com/APCentralRegion/status/1070290504443723777 (Also reduces early voting) https://mobile.twitter.com/nytimes/status/1070128649939181570 https://twitter.com/MiekeEoyang/status/1070326421556510720 marshmonkey fucked around with this message at 15:51 on Dec 5, 2018 |
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marshmonkey posted:https://twitter.com/APCentralRegion/status/1070290504443723777 I don't hate people very often. But I hate these people so much that it makes me want to cry in frustration.
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Dec 5, 2018 15:56
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I'm actually having trouble even finding tweets about this news. https://www.newsday.com/long-island/suffolk/sini-election-fraud-arrests-1.24231657 quote:Two employees of the Suffolk County Board of Elections, as well as an East Hampton Independence Party leader, were charged Tuesday with forging signatures on nominating petitions, in some cases with the names of dead people, District Attorney Timothy Sini said.
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Dec 5, 2018 16:54
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What I'd like to know here is how these rules actually are enforced when the new AG and Gov take office. Couldn't one of them ignore these rules, and then a court case would ensue?
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Dec 5, 2018 17:02
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Court is packed 4 to 3 with republicans. But there is an election in spring 2019 to replace a republican seat. But they want to make it part of April and not in the Wisconsin primary to limit voting. Also lol at making new coal plants in this day and age. Coal is a great way to bankrupt a power company because it's not economical to use as power with natural gas being dirt cheap. Literally that relaxation of the rules is just red meat that won't even make new plants.
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Dec 5, 2018 17:10
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Frabba posted:I'm actually having trouble even finding tweets about this news. You missed this fun bit: Article posted:An affidavit from Robert Maloney, an investigator with Sini’s office, said Mann and Dickerson submitted Green Party nominating petitions to the Board of Elections in July that contained forged signatures, including, in one case, the signature of a person who died in 2014. Mann and Dickerson hoped to get Republican candidates listed under the Green Party on the Nov. 6 ballot to boost GOP chances of victory in last month’s election, Sini said. The Green Party continues to be utter poo poo.
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Dec 5, 2018 17:35
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UCS Hellmaker posted:Also lol at making new coal plants in this day and age. Coal is a great way to bankrupt a power company because it's not economical to use as power with natural gas being dirt cheap. Literally that relaxation of the rules is just red meat that won't even make new plants. Buying coal plants ain't bad right now. Mostly because big multinationals will sell them for a song and a dime right now.
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Dec 5, 2018 17:37
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I wonder who it even plays with (aside from his base). Coal country is not a huge population, and the dispossessed coal industry workforce is famously tiny. For it to make sense for him to grandstand about building new coal plants, the entire country would have to be clamoring about power prices being too high or something. And last I checked people's electrical bills were somewhere around priority #472 on their hot-button topic lists. If Trump gave a poo poo about what subjects people actually talk about in the broader conversation regarding power generation, he'd be trying to make the case for more and cheaper natural gas power that follows the market forces and technological progress or whatever if he still insists on going lalala i can't hear you about climate change. But he thinks BUILD MORE COAL PLANT = AMERICA LOVE ME
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Dec 5, 2018 18:01
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UCS Hellmaker posted:Court is packed 4 to 3 with republicans. But there is an election in spring 2019 to replace a republican seat. But they want to make it part of April and not in the Wisconsin primary to limit voting. That worked out well for them last time: https://www.vox.com/2018/4/3/17195062/wisconsin-supreme-court-election-results
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Dec 5, 2018 18:13
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I live in the very beating heart of Indiana's coal country and the closest they can come to actually finding a use for the drat stuff is a coal-to-diesel refinery. Every utility in the area knows coal power is uneconomical and are trying to ditch it, especially when any benefits the Trump Administration gives can be taken away by even the most blue dog of Democrats. The coal-to-diesel plant is kind of a huge deal right now because everyone in the coal industry is desperate to see the old way of life survive in some way, but the proposed plant is literally within the limits of a town and a mile from a school. Doesn't help that its being built in the "sacrifice zone" where everyone loving dies of cancer due to growing up in the Bermuda Triangle of airborne carcinogens. The Indiana Department of Environmental Management, which doesn't factor health into its permitting process, basically said in its draft report that "air quality in the area already sucks, this won't make it significantly worse." I'm going to a public hearing on the issue tonight actually. It's almost certainly going to be approved by the state, but I would not be surprised at all if the whole project collapses at the first sign of trouble. Similar projects fell through in the past elsewhere in the state. https://www.indystar.com/story/news/environment/2018/12/04/idem-says-new-coal-plant-have-no-significant-impact/2196951002/
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Dec 5, 2018 18:25
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reminder that Giuliani had an on air radio rant about ferrets. also he married and hosed his cousin.
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Dec 5, 2018 19:06
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marshmonkey posted:https://twitter.com/APCentralRegion/status/1070290504443723777 quote:The measures would also require the attorney general to get legislative approval to withdraw from lawsuits. That move is designed to block Democratic Gov.-elect Tony Evers from allowing the incoming attorney general, Democrat Josh Kaul, to withdraw Wisconsin from a multistate lawsuit challenging the Affordable Care Act.
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Dec 5, 2018 19:15
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EwokEntourage posted:Seems odd that you'd make some remain a part of a lawsuit they don't want to be in, where they can then be a plaintiff filing poo poo adverse to the other plaintiffs, ruining arguments, etc  I mean, that's why history has an agonizingly slow but inevitable march toward progress.
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Dec 5, 2018 19:20
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Frabba posted:I'm actually having trouble even finding tweets about this news. The media only breathlessly publishes completely fictional accounts of Democratic rigging of elections, not actually real accounts of Republicans doing it
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Dec 5, 2018 19:28
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marshmonkey posted:https://twitter.com/APCentralRegion/status/1070290504443723777 Maybe its because I dont live down there but this freaks me right the gently caress out and I dont know why your news stations arent throwing this up with sirens and alarms.
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Dec 5, 2018 19:29
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Furnaceface posted:Maybe its because I dont live down there but this freaks me right the gently caress out and I dont know why your news stations arent throwing this up with sirens and alarms. The media is complicit, they don't care about Republican wrongdoing. They literally just don't, there are different standards for the two parties.
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Dec 5, 2018 19:30
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EwokEntourage posted:Seems odd that you'd make some remain a part of a lawsuit they don't want to be in, where they can then be a plaintiff filing poo poo adverse to the other plaintiffs, ruining arguments, etc "Your honor, the state of Wisconsin would like to move that we don't want to insure the blacks and the feds can't force us."
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Dec 5, 2018 19:36
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Since there's an election for a new WI supreme court justice in April, I imagine the incoming Democratic administration can just wait for the Democrat justice to take the seat, then file a lawsuit challenging the new laws and win that. I don't see how these laws last very long.
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Dec 5, 2018 19:50
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again non rgressives need to grab and shake what ever levers of power they can, they did the polticial stuff last nov, they need to fix The Media too.
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Dec 5, 2018 19:59
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clockworkjoe posted:Since there's an election for a new WI supreme court justice in April, I imagine the incoming Democratic administration can just wait for the Democrat justice to take the seat, then file a lawsuit challenging the new laws and win that. I don't see how these laws last very long. The Republicans are trying to drive down turnout for the election with their changes.
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Dec 5, 2018 20:01
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Discendo Vox posted:The Republicans are trying to drive down turnout for the election with their changes. And they've already gerrymandered the state so bad there's no way for Democrats to get the legislature without a federal anti-gerrymandering law, which is also extremely unlikely due to how naturally gerrymandered the Senate is
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Dec 5, 2018 20:03
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clockworkjoe posted:Since there's an election for a new WI supreme court justice in April, I imagine the incoming Democratic administration can just wait for the Democrat justice to take the seat, then file a lawsuit challenging the new laws and win that. I don't see how these laws last very long. is there a reasonable argument that the changes are illegal under the state's constitution?
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quote:Russia will develop missiles banned under a Cold War agreement if the US exits the pact, President Vladimir Putin has warned. Look at this smug motherfucker. This is just so Putin. First he does something way out of line and when they get caught and called out, they just double down and go nooo look what you're making me do! Some good news too though quote:A satanic group has added its own statue to a series of displays in the government building of the US state of Illinois to mark the festive season. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-46453544
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Dec 5, 2018 20:10
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Don't like the election outcome, just change the rules to hold onto as much power as possible. Totally cool and Democratic and one party isn't just transparently about wielding power for powers sake alone. I think the EIU made the right call to drop the U.S from full Democracy to flawed democracy and it'll probably remain that way as long as the GOP remains the party with the most power in the most states. Apparently it could drop further still too in the EIU's Democratic Index since the main reason it dropped to flawed democracy was a result of coming up short in the "functioning of governement" category, after Trump took power and before all the state GOP power grabs, disenfranchisement, voter fraud and partisan nonsense of the midterms.
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Dec 5, 2018 20:26
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EwokEntourage posted:Seems odd that you'd make some remain a part of a lawsuit they don't want to be in, where they can then be a plaintiff filing poo poo adverse to the other plaintiffs, ruining arguments, etc Under the new law the legislature can also appoint a different attorney of their choosing to prosecute cases. Which is all kinds of messed up.
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Dec 5, 2018 20:43
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Artonos posted:Under the new law the legislature can also appoint a different attorney of their choosing to prosecute cases. Which is all kinds of messed up. Oh wow yea that is super hosed up. Brings up some ethical questions i think but I don't do government work
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Dec 5, 2018 20:46
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All these attempts to consolidate power to the state legislatures really just show how fundamentally screwed up the American system of government it. The US constitution does a terrible job of preventing stuff like this because the US wasn't designed to be an actual democracy in the first place. Probably the only solution is a constitutional amendment that massively curbs states governments' ability to do bullshit like this.
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Dec 5, 2018 20:49
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EwokEntourage posted:Oh wow yea that is super hosed up. Brings up some ethical questions i think but I don't do government work Hell yeah it brings up ethical questions. As a wisconsinite I'm incredibly pissed that we are going to pay for private attorneys to help deny people health coverage.
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Dec 5, 2018 21:06
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Data Graham posted:I wonder who it even plays with (aside from his base). Coal country is not a huge population, and the dispossessed coal industry workforce is famously tiny. For it to make sense for him to grandstand about building new coal plants, the entire country would have to be clamoring about power prices being too high or something. And last I checked people's electrical bills were somewhere around priority #472 on their hot-button topic lists. There are people in Florida that are vocally in favor of coal. It's a stupid talking point because "gently caress liberals." That's all there is to it. It costs them nothing and the base gets all happy about it.
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Dec 5, 2018 21:18
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mystes posted:All these attempts to consolidate power to the state legislatures really just show how fundamentally screwed up the American system of government it. oooooooooooooooooooor a packed SCOTUS reinterpreting what it means to guarantee a republican form of government
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Dec 5, 2018 21:26
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I mean ideally we would have already enshrined stuff like this in the constitution before we got this point, because it's not like an amendment is going to be possible now except for maybe the constitutional convention route which is a terrifying idea.
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evilweasel posted:oooooooooooooooooooor a packed SCOTUS reinterpreting what it means to guarantee a republican form of government alternatively, look forward to next year's 5-4 decision holding that the guarantee of a republican form of government bars democrats from holding state elected office
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Dec 5, 2018 21:34
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evilweasel posted:alternatively, look forward to next year's 5-4 decision holding that the guarantee of a republican form of government bars democrats from holding state elected office can we not do the stupid despairposting in the thread about real news thanks
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Dec 5, 2018 21:40
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Discendo Vox posted:The Republicans are trying to drive down turnout for the election with their changes. That part is stalled out for now: https://patch.com/wisconsin/madison-wi/republicans-drop-2020-presidential-primary-move-now
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Dec 5, 2018 21:50
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Dec 5, 2018 21:56
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Artonos posted:Hell yeah it brings up ethical questions. As a wisconsinite I'm incredibly pissed that we are going to pay for private attorneys to help deny people health coverage. Pissed enough to actually vote? Pissed enough to organize your fellow pissed off individuals to do the same? In every election, not just the ones that make your state look like a piece of poo poo? All this is happening because young people didn't vote for the better part of a decade.
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saintonan posted:Pissed enough to actually vote? Pissed enough to organize your fellow pissed off individuals to do the same? In every election, not just the ones that make your state look like a piece of poo poo? All this is happening because young people didn't vote for the better part of a decade. It's happening because young people didn't vote in 2010, and then Wisconsin was gerrymandered so badly that Republicans got less votes for the state legislature but got a massive majority anyway. It's not a question of bad turnout since 2010.
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I've voted since I've been able. I'd be surprised if people posting in the real news thread in D&D didn't vote... I'm considering getting involved with volunteering but haven't actually done it. Unfortunately my vote doesn't matter except at the state level due to living in Pewaukee right now. If that means anything to anyone. I emailed my rep and state senator about these bills though. So far as that did anything.
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evilweasel posted:It's happening because young people didn't vote in 2010, and then Wisconsin was gerrymandered so badly that Republicans got less votes for the state legislature but got a massive majority anyway. It's not a question of bad turnout since 2010. Wisconsin is broken even more fundamentally than that. Gerrymandering for sure is an issue, but at its core WI is a Deep South red state with a few big Blue cities. I wish redistributing/voting reform would be the fix but I doubt it would be enough.
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