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bobkatt013 posted:And if you did you would wonder why anyone would want him back Certainly it cemented my notion Barry was much better as somebody for Wally to live up to than actually needing Barry around ever again.
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Madkal posted:Best DC stuff to read according to Madkal: Oh man. Brubaker / Cooke catwoman is so loving good. So is brubaker / rucka Gotham central. Too bad about brubaker solo Batman. Also yeah swamp thing by Moore. And animal man by Morrison. The cult is bad though.
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Rhyno posted:I think Waid just thought it was time for new villains or something. He did do a cool job with some lesser known villains in his Flash run, particularly Dr. Alchemy. As for the Rogues, I remember that when Barry died, the creative team of Blue Devil tried to grab the Rogues for BD, since they'd already been using Trickster as a regular foil for him.  Of course, BD's solo series lasted only one issue after this.
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Dec 6, 2018 07:27
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Every Batman comic Jim Aparo ever drew
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Random Stranger posted:It would be like saying "Whatever Happened to the Man of Tomorrow?" is the only Superman story you need to read; yes, it's extremely good but it also is building on foundational understandings of the characters.
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Dec 6, 2018 15:57
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Dawgstar posted:Certainly it cemented my notion Barry was much better as somebody for Wally to live up to than actually needing Barry around ever again. See also: Todd, Jason
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Dec 6, 2018 16:00
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Thanks for the replies. That's a good list to look through. Has anyone ever read one of those 'A Celebration of 50 Years' things DC put out? Any good?
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Dec 6, 2018 16:37
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Jordan7hm posted:Oh man. Cult is worth it just for the Bernie Wrightson artwork. Also I enjoyed Brubaker's Batman run but that is because I am a sucker for Deadshot and he featured quite a bit in it. It was an uneven run though by Brubaker's standards and it is kind of weird because you would think Batman would be in Brubaker's noir wheelhouse but it was mostly just action and wonky artwork.
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Dec 6, 2018 20:02
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Rhyno posted:Waid didn't really like the classic Rogues. If you recall he killed them off in Underworld Unleashed and was later ordered to bring them back. I always forget that Underworld Unleashed was a Waid book. Didn't Wait also request or give the go-ahead for killing off some Levitz era Legion members (most notably Blok) when Giffen and the Bierbaums had the book and he was editor because he liked the Adventure Comics era Legion better?
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Dec 6, 2018 20:54
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I think the worst Rogues are probably Murmur, whose power is that he's mute and weird-looking, and Plunder, who owns a gun. Fourth-rate Batman villains, fighting the Flash.
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Dec 6, 2018 21:24
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Waid created Savitar and the cult of speed. Cool stuff. John's created Cicada and his cult of speed m not cool stuff. Both adapted into terribly TV versions.
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Dec 6, 2018 21:26
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Was Vampirella ever a good comic? Like, is there a reason the character hasn't been forgotten since the 70's or 60's? Was it always fan wank stuff or was it good horror comics like Tomb of Dracula? Also, I remember that either Boom or Image rebooted the character and Kate Leth was writing her with an actual costume and not silly string attached to her body. Did it last?
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Dec 6, 2018 21:30
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Jeremy whitley did like a 6 issue mad max fury road type arc where she has a gf which was decent if short Thats the only vamp ive ever read tho cant say much about anything else
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Dec 6, 2018 21:36
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Halloween Jack posted:I think the worst Rogues are probably Murmur, whose power is that he's mute and weird-looking, and Plunder, who owns a gun. Fourth-rate Batman villains, fighting the Flash. "Owns a gun" is like half the Rogues.
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Dec 6, 2018 21:38
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I love how most of the Rogues were just regular bank robbers who built their fantastical sci-fi weapons in the prison workshop based on magazine articles they read.
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Vincent posted:Was Vampirella ever a good comic? Like, is there a reason the character hasn't been forgotten since the 70's or 60's? Was it always fan wank stuff or was it good horror comics like Tomb of Dracula? From occasional poking at it, my experience is no. It's a pretty lovely comic that's an excuse for some pretty nice looking pictures of a sexy woman wearing almost nothing. You pretty much get all of the benefit of reading a Vampirella comic by looking at the covers. Now that said, there are occasions where someone has gone, "Holy poo poo! This current Vampirella is actually good now!" and I never bothered following up on them so I'll concede that there may be points where there are good Vampirella comics. But I really don't want to try and find them.
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Halloween Jack posted:I think the worst Rogues are probably Murmur, whose power is that he's mute and weird-looking, and Plunder, who owns a gun. Fourth-rate Batman villains, fighting the Flash. Hey now. Murmur has a knife too. (Not a superpowered knife like TV Cicada, just a knife.) Murmur and Plunder were both Johns creations, of course.
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Dec 6, 2018 22:39
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Wheat Loaf posted:I love how most of the Rogues were just regular bank robbers who built their fantastical sci-fi weapons in the prison workshop based on magazine articles they read. When he returns as Dr. Alchemy, he's discovered the Philosopher's Stone, which can transmute any element into any other. He decides to use its fantastic powers to get rich...by robbing banks.
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Random Stranger posted:From occasional poking at it, my experience is no. It's a pretty lovely comic that's an excuse for some pretty nice looking pictures of a sexy woman wearing almost nothing. You pretty much get all of the benefit of reading a Vampirella comic by looking at the covers. And not unlike how water always flows downhill, the character resists changes to her costume mightily. Like flexing a muscle, she can only stay out of the collared extended thong and knee-high boots for so long, so don't let the fact she had a costume change fool you.
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Halloween Jack posted:The best origin of any rogue is Mr. Element/Dr. Alchemy. In his first appearance as Mr. Element, he invented a new element that can manipulate inertia. He uses his fantastic genius to rob banks. I like how Geoff Johns adjusted Captain Cold's origin story so he was now all about how he was COLD-hearted because his ICE COLD father would COLD-bloodedly beat him so now wanted the rest of the world to feel as COLD and FROZEN as he did in his own COLD heart, and also when he was a boy the only place he ever felt safe was in his uncle's ICE CREAM TRUCK. (I'm only slagging, because I do enjoy Johns's take on the classic Rogues, but I think his Captain Cold is the old "Johnsian literalism" at its finest.  )
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Wheat Loaf posted:I like how Geoff Johns adjusted Captain Cold's origin story so he was now all about how he was COLD-hearted because his ICE COLD father would COLD-bloodedly beat him so now wanted the rest of the world to feel as COLD and FROZEN as he did in his own COLD heart, and also when he was a boy the only place he ever felt safe was in his uncle's ICE CREAM TRUCK. I liked him turning Mirror Master is now a cocaine addict because people snort coke off mirrors. (I guess the alternative would be to turn him into a narcissist. Or maybe he could be a slow-moving deep thinker who has to reflect on everything!) But for me, the perfect example of Johnsian literalism will always be Power Girl explaining that her costume's tit window is symbolic of something missing in her conception of herself.
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Alan Moore and Grant Morrison w/ Mark Millar have written Vampirella.
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Vincent posted:Was Vampirella ever a good comic? Like, is there a reason the character hasn't been forgotten since the 70's or 60's? Was it always fan wank stuff or was it good horror comics like Tomb of Dracula? The original 1969 series has a lot of very cool stories early on, written by guys like Archie Goodwin and Steve Englehart. They’re cool, often tongue in cheek gothic horror jams where Vampirella teams up with a boozehound stage magician, a handsome young vampire hunter and his blind psychic father who never quite trusts her. The latter two are, of course, Van Helsings. The real draw of these early stories though is the absolutely gorgeous art by Jose Gonzalez, who not only draws beautiful women, but good everything else, including amusing caricature when needed. He’s definitely of the EC school style, and there’s some overlap in style with Jack Davis. Comixology has some collections of the early stuff. Definitely worth checking out, especially if you catch it on sale.
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Something nobody else will probably say for DC recommendations, but I highly recommend, is Adam Strange by Andy Diggle and Pasqual Ferry. Adam Strange is a character I love that generally gets involved in stories I hate but this mini series is fun and has some beautiful art.
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X-O posted:Something nobody else will probably say for DC recommendations, but I highly recommend, is Adam Strange by Andy Diggle and Pasqual Ferry. Adam Strange is a character I love that generally gets involved in stories I hate but this mini series is fun and has some beautiful art. I haven't read the mini but I agree with you about Strange. I love the concept of earth spaceman in the same vein as Flash Gordon, and really wish DC would do something with the concept. The last comic I read with the character was Lemire Justice League United but he tried to reimagine the character and it really didn't work well. Give some awesome earth man gets transported to distant planet where alien princess falls in love with him any day of the week though.
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I really wish Adam Strange was just in his own universe. I've never really liked much of any of his interactions with the rest of DC Universe. Especially all the majority of the Rann/Thanagar poo poo. The less Hawk people the better.
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Madkal posted:I haven't read the mini but I agree with you about Strange. I love the concept of earth spaceman in the same vein as Flash Gordon, and really wish DC would do something with the concept. The last comic I read with the character was Lemire Justice League United but he tried to reimagine the character and it really didn't work well. Give some awesome earth man gets transported to distant planet where alien princess falls in love with him any day of the week though. JLU's much better than his appearance in Bendis' Superman where he's comic relief in his appearances thus far.
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X-O posted:Something nobody else will probably say for DC recommendations, but I highly recommend, is Adam Strange by Andy Diggle and Pasqual Ferry. Adam Strange is a character I love that generally gets involved in stories I hate but this mini series is fun and has some beautiful art. Fantastic book.
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Madkal posted:I haven't read the mini but I agree with you about Strange. I love the concept of earth spaceman in the same vein as Flash Gordon, and really wish DC would do something with the concept. The last comic I read with the character was Lemire Justice League United but he tried to reimagine the character and it really didn't work well. Give some awesome earth man gets transported to distant planet where alien princess falls in love with him any day of the week though. For some reason I got this mixed up with the not so good Adam Strange prestige format series from the early 90's that tried to grim and gritty Adam Strange up.
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X-O posted:I really wish Adam Strange was just in his own universe. I've never really liked much of any of his interactions with the rest of DC Universe. Especially all the majority of the Rann/Thanagar poo poo. The less Hawk people the better. Even swamp thing?
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X-O posted:I really wish Adam Strange was just in his own universe. I've never really liked much of any of his interactions with the rest of DC Universe. Especially all the majority of the Rann/Thanagar poo poo. The less Hawk people the better. That's largely how I feel about Batman.
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Wheat Loaf posted:I always forget that Underworld Unleashed was a Waid book. Apparently not in Blok's case. They were originally going to fridge Element Lad's girlfriend and he was her substitute because he was kind of a background character that they didn't really have plans for. https://itsokimasenator.livejournal.com/1263.html#cutid1
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Lurdiak posted:That's largely how I feel about Batman. Is there a hot take based No Prize that I'm unaware of? I'd like to enter the competition.
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I can see that. But if you're reading Batman and asking questions like "Couldn't Batman call the Flash and ask him to defeat every criminal in Arkham singlehandedly in five minutes?" that's more of an issue with the Flash.
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Yeah the DC universe benefits from having a Batman in it, but Batman stories are generally made worse by being in the DC universe.
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If it makes anyone feel better, they have had stories where Superman or somebody will come by and try to clean up Gotham City but it obstinately resists all their efforts. I think the notion is only Batman has the patience/tolerance for it.
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Dawgstar posted:If it makes anyone feel better, they have had stories where Superman or somebody will come by and try to clean up Gotham City but it obstinately resists all their efforts. I think the notion is only Batman has the patience/tolerance for it. That's worse if anything. Don't draw attention to the inherent contradictions of your world.
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Dawgstar posted:If it makes anyone feel better, they have had stories where Superman or somebody will come by and try to clean up Gotham City but it obstinately resists all their efforts. I think the notion is only Batman has the patience/tolerance for it. That's always worse. Superhero universes just ask you to look past that. Superman doesn't solve all of Green Arrow's problems in every issue of Green Arrow, because those stories would not be good or fun. The Flash doesn't spend 100% of his time running at light speed and solving all crime in Gotham because that would suck. It's weird to single out Batman as suffering from this more than anybody else. All the Spider-Man games have some line about the Fantastic 4 being in another dimension or some poo poo and it's just....you don't have to do that.
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Lurdiak posted:That's worse if anything. Don't draw attention to the inherent contradictions of your world.
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Halloween Jack posted:Speaking of which: any story that deals with Batman's moral code against killing results in a long, loud, extremely wet fart of a conclusion. He doesn't kill the Joker because the Joker is valuable intellectual property, just don't worry about it. Yeah that well's bone dry and yet they keep going back to it again and again thinking they're clever. SonicRulez posted:That's always worse. Superhero universes just ask you to look past that. Superman doesn't solve all of Green Arrow's problems in every issue of Green Arrow, because those stories would not be good or fun. The Flash doesn't spend 100% of his time running at light speed and solving all crime in Gotham because that would suck. It's weird to single out Batman as suffering from this more than anybody else. All the Spider-Man games have some line about the Fantastic 4 being in another dimension or some poo poo and it's just....you don't have to do that. If you don't feel a slight disconnect between a JLA story where Batman single-handedly takes out hundreds of parademons and a Shadow of the Bat story where he's having trouble with Two-face, I don't know what to tell you. Lurdiak fucked around with this message at 16:39 on Dec 7, 2018 |
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