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Good Soldier Svejk posted:This is Fox sanctioned testing of waters Agreed, a very, very, very good sign. Discendo Vox fucked around with this message at 01:07 on Dec 7, 2018 |
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Euphoriaphone posted:Uh, I don't get it. What's incendiary about this? Sounds like she's accusing Georges' Dad of talking to the press about his failson
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Eeyo posted:I guess I view this as the option most likely to succeed. Relentless pressure on democrats in the senate and house, plus electing as many of them as possible since they are the only ones who would ever be sympathetic. their sympathy just manifested as making joe "coal for 25 more years at least!" manchin a ranking member of the energy and natural resources committee
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Dec 7, 2018 01:01
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Discendo Vox posted:Agreed, a very, very, very good sign. I dunno, I'd kinda prefer Fox goes down with the ship, but maybe turning on Trump would be more damaging.
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Dec 7, 2018 01:02
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Lightning Knight posted:I mean I don't really think "it's not their fault" flies here. They could keep Manchin out of that seat, they just don't want to. If you want to argue that their reasoning is good for doing so then ok I guess but I think their reasoning is garbage considering what the stakes are. To clarify what i've mentioned re seniority, there are at least three separate mini-questions here. - Is seniority, broadly speaking, a sane way to handle power distribution in the legislature? I lean towards yes, because it's neutral-ish; it favors older congresspeople and people in safer seats, but makes it more difficult for, say, the establishment to leverage it for their own ends. Seniority's why Bernie's the ranking member of the budget committee! - Is it worth it to blow up seniority in this particular case? I lean towards a much more lukewarm yes and would prefer for Cantwell to render it a moot point; as I've discussed in the rulesposts, the ranking member's very modest actual powers are more 'good in the right hands' than 'bad in the wrong hands'. Also, like I mentioned, the symbolism does matter. - Is it worth it to blow up seniority if Manchin seeks the chairmanship for 2021? Almost certainly yes, because while its powers are still more constructive than obstructive, the subpoena power alone is kind of a big deal. This is presumably why it's more common in the first place to pick a chairman that wasn't ranking member than to pick a ranking member that isn't the most senior, ranking member is mostly a prestige position unless you really want a particular staffer involved in a hearing (and that's so inside baseball that i doubt anyone even in this thread has ever noticed or cared  ).basically, again, call your senator if they're one of the people who can actually vote on this poo poo Maria Cantwell, Washington, Ranking Member Ron Wyden, Oregon Bernie Sanders, Vermont[1] Debbie Stabenow, Michigan Joe Manchin, West Virginia Martin Heinrich, New Mexico Mazie Hirono, Hawaii Angus King, Maine[1] Tammy Duckworth, Illinois Catherine Cortez Masto, Nevada Tina Smith, Minnesota (from January 9, 2018) plus whoever replaces cantwell if she leaves the committee; i can't find any good information on that part of this whole business but i assume she, like, wants to step down as ranking member / take rank in another committee, but stay on this one? fake edit: aha quote:Senator Maria Cantwell (D-WA), currently the ranking member of the Senate Energy and Natural Resources Committee, has expressed interest in taking over as ranking member of the Senate Commerce, Science, and Transportation Committee. If Senator Cantwell does replace outgoing Senator Bill Nelson (D-FL) as the top Democrat on commerce, Senator Joe Manchin (R-WV) may be the likeliest contender to take over the natural resources committee's ranking member spot. commerce and transportation  on the plus side, that's another committee real involved in climate changey things; less involved in power generation and fossil fuel extraction, more involved in, yanno, carsAssuming the roster remains the same, Manchin needs six votes to get in. I'm not sure if there's an obvious Not Manchin, but hey, calling and demanding a Not Manchin is perfectly acceptable even if you don't have a particular alternative in mind.
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Dec 7, 2018 01:03
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Giggy posted:Look LK, we have 12 years to end climate change and I don't think this kind of identity politics is going to be helpful. It is inconceivable that anything will be done remotely in time. The crisis will happen. The only thing individual people can do is what is in their own power: have no children. Spare them from what is coming.
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Dec 7, 2018 01:06
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1. Identify the source. 2. Identify how the message is being constructed and presented to you. 3. Identify the source's motive in constructing the message and presenting it to you. 4. Identify why you are sharing the message. 5. Identify whose interests you serve by sharing the message. Discendo Vox fucked around with this message at 01:10 on Dec 7, 2018 |
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Dec 7, 2018 01:07
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Giggy posted:I dunno, I'd kinda prefer Fox goes down with the ship, but maybe turning on Trump would be more damaging. It would be funnier, because the sycophants at Fox are the only source of consistent praise he has. He's hanging by a thread - imagine if lost his favorite thing to do (next to golfing)
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Dec 7, 2018 01:08
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The Lone Badger posted:It is inconceivable that anything will be done remotely in time. The crisis will happen. The only thing individual people can do is what is in their own power: have no children. Spare them from what is coming. i might also recommend, you know, getting involved in your local community and building support structures and whatnot but you do you Good Soldier Svejk posted:It would be funnier, because the sycophants at Fox are the only source of consistent praise he has. He's hanging by a thread - imagine if lost his favorite thing to do (next to golfing) fox and friends holds the destiny of the world in their hands
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Dec 7, 2018 01:11
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Giggy posted:I dunno, I'd kinda prefer Fox goes down with the ship, but maybe turning on Trump would be more damaging. Another would pop up in its place. Maybe not immediately but relatively quickly as far as those things go.
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Dec 7, 2018 01:12
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Discendo Vox posted:1. Identify the source. why don't you answer those since you think the twitter guy who posted it has ulterior motives
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Dec 7, 2018 01:13
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the initial momentum for the caravan before it blew up seemingly came from a fraudulent facebook account impersonating a honduran journalist https://twitter.com/nycsouthpaw/status/1070790588419768321
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Rinkles posted:the initial momentum for the caravan before it blew up seemingly came from a fraudulent facebook account impersonating a honduran journalist quote:But the messages being sent by the imposter, which also had Fuentes’s photo, had a very different flavor, the former lawmaker learned. They claimed that the prominent and influential migrant rights organization Pueblo Sin Fronteras was organizing the caravan and would be leading it on the arduous journey. hm
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Dec 7, 2018 01:18
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Facebook is front and center in every lovely thing going on in the world right now. That poo poo needs to be completely dismantled.
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Dec 7, 2018 01:24
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The Lone Badger posted:It is inconceivable that anything will be done remotely in time. The crisis will happen. The only thing individual people can do is what is in their own power: have no children. Spare them from what is coming. This is not the response I expected from my "let's drone strikes cows joke."
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Dec 7, 2018 01:25
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Rinkles posted:the initial momentum for the caravan before it blew up seemingly came from a fraudulent facebook account impersonating a honduran journalist normally i'd assume roger stone but this sounds too competent
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Dec 7, 2018 01:26
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Russian Troll farm back at it. I still think Zuck willingly gives a backdoor into Facebook to the Russians for propaganda, in exchange for influence and money Throw Zuck in the world's most secure locker TulliusCicero fucked around with this message at 01:30 on Dec 7, 2018 |
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Dec 7, 2018 01:27
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Giggy posted:This is not the response I expected from my "let's drone strikes cows joke." Lets drone strike facebook.
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Dec 7, 2018 01:28
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karthun posted:Lets drone strike facebook. Tough but fair
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Arturo Ui posted:Facebook is front and center in every lovely thing going on in the world right now. That poo poo needs to be completely dismantled. yes, but i think it might be more a symptom of the bigger problem of "humans" and "the internet". what's probably needed are completely new regulations.
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Dec 7, 2018 01:30
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The Lone Badger posted:It is inconceivable that anything will be done remotely in time. The crisis will happen. The only thing individual people can do is what is in their own power: have no children. Spare them from what is coming. I don't think not having children and saying nothing matters is a good response to global issues, but all right then
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Dec 7, 2018 01:32
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Ytlaya posted:There is actual harm associated with treating voting with a disproportionately massive sense of importance. You might claim "but I didn't say don't do anything else!" but in practice voting is drat near all you people talk about. Riddle me this, If voting is so irrelevant and unimportant and incapable of affecting change, Why are the Republicans working so hard to prevent people from doing it?
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karthun posted:Lets drone strike facebook. Wow I actually totally agree.
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Dec 7, 2018 01:38
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TulliusCicero posted:Russian Troll farm back at it. Russians are apparently behind the Yellow Jacket riots going on in Paris right now, too.
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Dec 7, 2018 01:40
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time to reply to a post from 15 pages agoHieronymous Alloy posted:I'd have to check the federaliat papers but my guesses would be In terms of what the founders were thinking, I'd say their main concern was that the government be run by wealthy (or at least well off) people aka landowning white men, on the theory that those people would have the most personal investment in the success of the country. Removing the age requirements might be more likely to aid elites now, but I think they believed the opposite 200 years ago. A middle-aged man would have been more likely to have inherited wealth or earned it and would have been in a better position to take four years off to be President. Lightning Knight posted:I mean as far as I’m concerned the optimal path to the presidency for AOC is two terms in the House - primary Schumer or Cuomo or stay in the House - President. ^ given his age, Schumer might be more encouraged to simply retire rather than fight if he believes he'll face a strong primary challenge in '22 FuturePastNow fucked around with this message at 01:44 on Dec 7, 2018 |
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Lightning Knight posted:I mean, ok. That is cold comfort to the global poor who will suffer the brunt of this cost but I guess I can't argue with this since it's probably technically correct. It won't be a cold comfort to the untold number of people who will die if the Republicans retain control and continue to not only not try to mitigate the problem but continue to take steps to actively aggravate it.
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Dec 7, 2018 01:45
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Condiv posted:why don't you answer those since you think the twitter guy who posted it has ulterior motives Well here's a hint, he runs this
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Skex posted:It won't be a cold comfort to the untold number of people who will die if the Republicans retain control and continue to not only not try to mitigate the problem but continue to take steps to actively aggravate it. I haven't done anything. It is demonstrably true that if the Democratic Party is unconcerned with global warming then there is no future for society as we know it because nobody else is gonna do anything about it at the governmental level. I'm not the one saying we should put Joe Manchin in charge of climate policy lol and yet you're mad at me.
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FuturePastNow posted:time to reply to a post from 15 pages ago That's kind of a funny argument considering how many of the Founders married into money. Then you have at least two who guaranteed that their decedents wouldn't be a part of any wealthy elite by freeing their slaves on their deaths (which effectively wiped out their estates). Now there were definitely founders who were not keen on democracy because they didn't trust the masses but literally the only qualifications enumerated for any office in the constitution was a minimum age and in the case of the President being a natural born citizen. There are plenty of systemic barriers that exist that make it difficult to say the least for marginalized people to achieve political power and hold office however the constitutional age restrictions aren't a part of that.
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Dec 7, 2018 01:51
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Skex posted:Riddle me this, If voting is so irrelevant and unimportant and incapable of affecting change, Why are the Republicans working so hard to prevent people from doing it? First, no one said voting is irrelevant. Second, this line of discussion is dumb because I could just as easily say: If voting is so important, how come the candidate who got the most votes isn't president?
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It's literally ALL they mention."Democrats Win Historic High Number of Seats: Are the Democrats Doomed?" "Lots of firsts and a record breaking victory: time for the left to shift right?" "Brand new crop of young people take house: do they respect trump enough?"
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Dec 7, 2018 01:52
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Young Freud posted:Russians are apparently behind the Yellow Jacket riots going on in Paris right now, too. They've shown no real ability to create a movement, but plenty of ability to help steer narratives when one is already started. Case in point, the fake account on the caravan was merely opportunistic when one was already forming, rather than doing the organizing themselves. Or creating fake BLM activist accounts instead of creating a black rights movement from scratch.
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"IT WAS MY RALLIES. I WON THOSE SENATE SEATS. I AM THE SENATE."
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TulliusCicero posted:I don't think not having children and saying nothing matters is a good response to global issues, but all right then It's not a good response. But it's the only response actually within our power.
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The only Democrats who lost were the ones who went full racist chud days before the election you miserable semi-sentient sack of horseshit E: I think Nancy Pelosi deserves some praise for this: https://www.businessinsider.com/nancy-pelosi-says-funding-for-trumps-border-wall-is-off-the-table-2018-12 quote:WASHINGTON — Nancy Pelosi, who's set to become the next speaker of the House when the new Congress begins in January, shot down negotiations that would include funding for President Donald Trump's long-desired wall along the nearly 2,000-mile US-Mexico border. TLDR: An unequivocal no to any money for President Bigbrains' idiot wall, period. Fritz Coldcockin fucked around with this message at 01:58 on Dec 7, 2018 |
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Hi everyone, non-American here, Just a few quick questions. I'm just trying to get my finger on the pulse of the American "zeitgeist" as it were. 1) Do you think Bernie Sanders would have won the 2016 election if he had been the Democratic nominee in place of Hillary Clinton? Why / why not? 2) To what extent do you believe that Barack Obama's legacy should be defined by his proclivity for drone strikes? 3) Do you believe that Joe Manchin and other "Blue Dog" Democrats are a necessary evil in terms of their capacity to caucus with Democrats on issues like healthcare, or should they be judged ruthlessly on their occasional deference to more right-wing legislation? 4) Do you think Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez would make a good president? Why / why not? 5) To what extent do you support the leadership of Chuck Schumer and Nancy Pelosi in the senate and house of reps respectively? Is there anything about their current approach that you would change? Thanks in advance for your resposnses. Detailed answers would be appreciated. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Most Healthy POTUS ever   
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FuturePastNow posted:time to reply to a post from 15 pages ago I went and checked and we really should, sometimes, give the Founders some credit : quote:At the Constitutional Convention in Philadelphia, there was little public debate about the age requirements and no discussion about the age requirement for the presidency. So they were actually very consciously trying to prevent dynasties and the irresponsible from holding office.
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