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Revelation 2-13 posted:I know the cult has a codex coming, but god drat, it feels like it was ages ago they went like; "Yeah, cult players, we know you get completely boned by this new rule on turn 1 deep striking, since is screws with like... the defining feature of our whole army... but don't worry! We got your back!", then tumbleweeds since. I see them listed in one of the leaks, but nothing seems to be changed for them (except apparently heavy stubbers going from 8 to 2 and a change to auto-cannons or something - presumably from guard changes). They even list things like heavy rock saw, cult icon and seismic cannon, but with no changes. They just posted a promo image being like SOON so I imagine that post-Christmas we'll be hearing about the codex.
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Can anybody make out the Wraithlord base price? Looks like 85? Maybe 55? I like 55. 
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65 unless my eyes have gone. Also, Wraightknights drop from 402 to 315.
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DiHK posted:Can anybody make out the Wraithlord base price? Looks like 85? Looks like 85 to me, down from 103. It's ranged weapons dropped a bit too.
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Corrode posted:I just flat don't agree with you that the meta isn't already varied, or that there's only some mythical category of lists which can handle knights and they all don't count. Right now, the only whole factions which are write-offs competitively are Space Marines (of all Imperial types), Necrons and GSC (which is a weird half faction anyway, about to be significantly expanded). Tyranids are also a bit questionable. Everything else has appeared on top tables in recent tournaments. Some of them suck for internal balance, like Chaos is a bad faction with like three good units, or Tau is Codex: Fire Warriors and Riptides, but that's a problem with those books. There's a lot of changes to process, but hopefully the stuff at the bottom gets pulled up, and leaves the rest of the stuff which is already fine in balance with each other. Don't agree then. It doesn't matter. It's not that all competitive knights have Titanic models. But "GK can soup up to mitigate weaknesses" isn't a response to "GK are costed well" (repeat for admech or whatever other faction you want). CA will hopefully shake it up, but this isn't a problem endemic to power armor. There's not a magical set of lists that can beat knights, but you DO have to build a list that can beat them. If you don't think the meta is stale vs old bike daemonbombs, flyer spam, horde, castle, deep strike shenanigans, etc, I dunno what to say. There are variants mostly in eldar, and the Ork meta is unknown (at least to me), but most factions have one that's clearly best, and it's "shitloads of shots at best of AP-X/D2-3 plus bubble wrap for the shoot things if you can get it". That covers butcher dreads, ravagers, helverins, knights, reapers, triptides, hellblaster parking lot, and everything else. DA hellblaster balls, smash caps,
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evol262 posted:Don't agree then. It doesn't matter. It's not that all competitive knights have Titanic models. But "GK can soup up to mitigate weaknesses" isn't a response to "GK are costed well" (repeat for admech or whatever other faction you want). CA will hopefully shake it up, but this isn't a problem endemic to power armor. There's not a magical set of lists that can beat knights, but you DO have to build a list that can beat them. Dude, you're dumb as hell.
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Using 7th edition tourney lists as a positive in your argument is certainly an interesting take. I would like to hear more.
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Guard Hellstrikes went to 12 points a missle FW Hellstrikes remain at 30 ~forge world~
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A meta analysis absent Talos, Shining Spears, cultist hordes, Tzaangor hordes, Daemon Princes, and the entire Harlequin and Tyranid factions sure does sound boring, and also completely disconnected from reality.
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Dec 7, 2018 21:00
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I might have to continue working on my original plan of a salamander dreadnought group, plus I can actually take out my Cataphractii with Chainfists without crying too much as they went down 80 points! 
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Dec 7, 2018 21:02
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My unpainted vindicator is having a Toy Story style depressing montage atm. ~when somebody loves you~
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Lungboy posted:GK drop by....zero! The army is fixed! hahahahahahaha. Dang.
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Dec 7, 2018 21:15
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Am I blind or are there no dork elf changes? My Guard are looking at an overall price drop which surprised the hell out of me, although now it means I'll need to paint more mans.
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Dec 7, 2018 21:25
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Lungboy posted:GK drop by....zero! The army is fixed! idgi
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adamantium|wang posted:Am I blind or are there no dork elf changes? My Guard are looking at an overall price drop which surprised the hell out of me, although now it means I'll need to paint more mans. None at all I think.
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Dec 7, 2018 21:37
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Redemptor (ie. second coolest looking dread) dropped to 105 from 140. It's heavy onslaught also dropped by 6 points, cant see if the other stuff changed. So, it's like 160(?) for a normal one. Not sure that's enough tbh.
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xtothez posted:idgi Strike Squads are unchanged. Termies got a small drop but are still poo poo.
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Revelation 2-13 posted:Redemptor (ie. second coolest looking dread) dropped to 105 from 140. It's heavy onslaught also dropped by 6 points, cant see if the other stuff changed. So, it's like 160(?) for a normal one. Not sure that's enough tbh. My issue with them is that without an invuln save of some sort, they're just going to get shot up turn 1. I really like the model too.
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darnon posted:I've seen either on shapeways or thingiverse wrist-mount blasters you can use to make them serve double purpose. Duct Tape posted:I'd absolutely recommend this. I magnetized all the arms and weapons on my Kastelan's, so I can easily swap between dakka and punchy. It was really easy to do while assembling them, but it might be a bit more work having to get them in place on fully-assembled robots. Thanks for the tips! Revelation 2-13 posted:In mechanicus news, Cawl dropped massively to 190. Dominus too. Kataphron destroyers from 30 to 15 (guns cost the same it looks like though). Dunecrawler got a 20 point drop (90 to 70). Arquebus from 25 to 15. Rust stalker with only blades went from 22 to 14.  ), now I have even more poo poo to paint. Or just stop pussyfooting around, and assemble/paint that Valiant knight I've got sitting in his box.
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xtothez posted:idgi That's ok, neither does gw
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inscrutable horse posted:Holy poo poo, that means my painted army went from ~1200 to ~1000 pts. Sigh, I was so close to being able to field an army to play with the local nerds (1500 pts only My AdMech/Knight list went from uncomfortably tight to a much better number of bodies.
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The vindicator is not reduced because it's been given much better rules for the main gun. The vindicator is not reduced because it's been given much better rules for the main gun. The vindicator is not reduced because it's been given much better rules for the main gun. The vindicator is not reduced because it's been given much better rules for the main gun.
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Lungboy posted:Strike Squads are unchanged. Termies got a small drop but are still poo poo. But didn't nearly all of their other poo poo drop like 20-40%? PierreTheMime posted:My AdMech/Knight list went from uncomfortably tight to a much better number of bodies. That Dominus change makes me much happier about assembling the 3rd one I have sitting on a sprue. Especially since I don't want to buy Cawl.
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The problem of AdMech not having a cheap HQ alternative was solved by making all their HQs cheap alternatives.
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Eifert Posting posted:The vindicator is not reduced because it's been given much better rules for the main gun. The Vindicator (tank) and GK are in such a poor state, it seems possible.
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I know I can't complain too much because the Sisters stuff looks rad so far, but I am little bummed there's no love for the Inquisition. (Not that I had any reason to expect it.) e: Oh I guess the LR Prometheus got a points drop. I feel obligated to field it now. Giant Isopod fucked around with this message at 22:37 on Dec 7, 2018 |
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Giant Isopod posted:I know I can't complain too much because the Sisters stuff looks rad so far, but I am little bummed there's no love for the Inquisition. (Not that I had any reason to expect it.) Nobody expects the Inquisition.
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I think instead of the Loyal 32 as cheap CP battery we'll start seeing the Steel 17. 2 Enginseers and 15 Rangers will run 165 points bare bones for 5CP.
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xtothez posted:But didn't nearly all of their other poo poo drop like 20-40%? poo poo being the operative word. Some rules updates might help but simple points drops on non-essential units isn't going to save them.
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Eifert Posting posted:The vindicator is not reduced because it's been given much better rules for the main gun. And these are...?
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Prayers. Vain prayers.
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Eifert Posting posted:The vindicator is not reduced because it's been given much better rules for the main gun. WHatwhatWHAT??? e: 
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Because I'm bored and wanted all the changes in the one place:quote:Guard changes:
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I haven't been able to check points adjustments or any other changes, did Vindicators really just get left as is?
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adamantium|wang posted:Because I'm bored and wanted all the changes in the one place: Oh hey, Chimerae might be price-competitive again. Neat.
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Did a thing with my main two armies using base / minimum unit cost Unit Diff% Ironstrider -20% Kataphron Breachers -25% Kataphron Destroyers -24% Onager Dunecrawler -13% Servitors 150% Sicarian Infiltrators -20% Sicarian Ruststalkers -25% Tech-Priest Dominus -28% Tech-Priest Enginseer -36% Broodlord -29% Exocrine -21% Harpy -20% Haruspex -14% Hive Crone -11% Lictor -27% Maleceptor -7% Neurothrope 29% Pyrovore -34% Tervigon -19% Toxicrene -11% Trygon -12% Trygon Prime -10% Tyranid Prime -30% Tyrannocyte -19% Tyrannofex -14% Deathleaper -33% Swarmlord -17%
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For_Great_Justice posted:I haven't been able to check points adjustments or any other changes, did Vindicators really just get left as is? We only know the point changes, no idea if anything else got changed
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So Terminators dropped by a whole 3 points. Not sure that's enough to save them.
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Schadenboner posted:Oh hey, Chimerae might be price-competitive again. Neat. Yeah, 73 for multi laser and heavy bolter isn't terrible. It'll definitely make motorised infantry players jump for joy. E: Wizard posted:We only know the point changes, no idea if anything else got changed I'm hoping for some version of Grinding Advance for them. Vindicators are cool units that desperately need better rules. Hopefully they'll do better than Vanquishers did, a simple points drop isn't enough to get over the fact that they don't actually do their job very well. adamantium|wang fucked around with this message at 00:30 on Dec 8, 2018 |
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Floppychop posted:So Terminators dropped by a whole 3 points. Not sure that's enough to save them. Maybe with the “Reduce strength and damage by 1 to a minimum of 1” rule that’s been whiteboarded around here for a while?
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