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Kavros posted:When the issue became a difference between one of your earlier assertions (that Mueller was being secretive about his indictments) and what was really going on (Mueller was being secretive about his investigation) you stated that Trump already knows literally everything that Mueller is up to, as a way of essentially asserting that Mueller's secrecy serves no purpose and is a reason to label him as a flawed dude. To back up your claim that Trump already knows literally everything about Mueller's investigation, you said that it was true because Comey suspected that there was a leak from the FBI to Giuliani.  Yea I’m sure the old white male Republican has this under wraps. Let’s all watch him as he locks Trump up.
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fwiw i think rolling right in with "we're impeaching Trump because emoluments clause" or something might be a winner, but it's less of a winner than waiting for Mueller et al's quite likely reporting and lawsuits on various crimes helpful reminder that other investigations into the Trump Organization's financial enterprises are trundling along, the new NYAG was elected in large part on a platform of "I will investigate the poo poo out of Donald Trump", and the Trump Foundation is pretty likely to be dissolved and him and his kids barred from serving on charity boards for more or less forever There's not really any harm imo in House Democrats waiting a bit to see what falls out from various justice entities whacking the pinata. also stop engaging white sauce
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Dec 9, 2018 20:42
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GreyjoyBastard posted:also stop engaging white sauce Done, but does he just do this all the time, or
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Helpful every-fifty-pages-or-so reposting of the NYAG filing against the Trump Foundation, which is pretty hilarious reading and also the farthest along suit against Trump directly-ish (with the possible exception of the emoluments clause hilarity): https://ag.ny.gov/press-release/attorney-general-underwood-announces-lawsuit-against-donald-j-trump-foundation-and-its https://ag.ny.gov/sites/default/files/court_stamped_petition.pdf
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i don't think there's any problem in waiting, i'm posting in response to people think impeachment would be politically harmful for the democrats and making ahistorical comparisons to clinton.GreyjoyBastard posted:Helpful every-fifty-pages-or-so reposting of the NYAG filing against the Trump Foundation, which is pretty hilarious reading and also the farthest along suit against Trump directly-ish (with the possible exception of the emoluments clause hilarity): the good thing is even if say trump resigns after he loses re-election so pence can pardon him or whatever maneuvers they try is they can still go after all his businesses and ruin him.
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GreyjoyBastard posted:also stop engaging white sauce professional poster on a closed forum. Do not attempt. Kavros posted:Done, but does he just do this all the time, or Pretty much.
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Groovelord Neato posted:
That's part of why I'm so gleeful about this sort of thing, yes.  The Trump Organization is almost certainly up to its neck in money crimes.
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I am fairly confident that the key to ending the Trump horror show lies in taking away his money, or the good business man perception of it, and de-platforming him as much as possible. The latter requires going after the money of Twitter and fox news and is a little bit more difficult for obvious reasons. It would probably be easier to get Trump to stop interacting with them then to stop those platforms themselves. But without the money, especially the Russian money, he's not building the Trump Network.
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Dec 9, 2018 20:50
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Well let’s hope at the very least the Trump name will be so tainted he’ll start hemorrhaging money and never recover once he’s out of office.
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RuanGacho posted:I am fairly confident that the key to ending the Trump horror show lies in taking away his money, or the good business man perception of it, and de-platforming him as much as possible. The latter requires going after the money of Twitter and fox news and is a little bit more difficult for obvious reasons. This is America, and businesses have vastly more rights than citizens. But that's a chicken or the egg question. How do you defund FOX news, or how do you get an applause addict to not pay attention to it?
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white sauce posted:
lol you were just objectively wrong about the whole "even today the FBI is telling rudy everything" poo poo and you can't even admit it, just melt down as Kavros unwisely attempts to engage with you in good faith
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Invalid Validation posted:Well let’s hope at the very least the Trump name will be so tainted he’ll start hemorrhaging money and never recover once he’s out of office. I think his businesses are hosed with out a doubt since New York seems to be going at them hard. I think his kids are gonna get hosed on state crimes too.
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eke out posted:lol you were just objectively wrong about the whole "even today the FBI is telling rudy everything" poo poo and you can't even admit it, just melt down as Kavros unwisely attempts to engage with you in good faith I mean if clueless blubbering crybaby Comey actually thinks that the FBI is passing information to moron Giuliani then it’s loving likely Giuliani has also admitted to it publicly. It just so happens all these old republicans are fools. Imagine if Trump was smart and as savvy as Putin. America and the rest of the world would be utterly hosed.
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Dec 9, 2018 20:59
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Dapper_Swindler posted:i think they probably are losing a ton of money though. mostly because they no longer care about appearing to be "moderate" and their willingness to say super awful poo poo doesn't help them any. I'm thinking more they bribed/influenced the folks at the top as opposed to the organization as a whole. Sending the organization you pretend to believe in off on a suicide mission because "gently caress you, got mine" is about as Republican as you can get.
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Dec 9, 2018 20:59
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Also, bringing down Trump and his criminal empire means that other criminal empires can be brought down so it’s probably never going to happen.
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Dec 9, 2018 21:00
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https://twitter.com/jeremyscahill/status/1071856051102932992 https://twitter.com/mehdirhasan/status/1071802538977046529
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Invalid Validation posted:Well let’s hope at the very least the Trump name will be so tainted he’ll start hemorrhaging money and never recover once he’s out of office. Here's hope, but: Whatever vile alchemy powers the trump voter's brain seems like it will last a good long while. If not imprisoned he'll at least have a FOX news show. With merchandise.
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Dec 9, 2018 21:01
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Groovelord Neato posted:https://twitter.com/jeremyscahill/status/1071856051102932992 rip vaguely competent horrible racist rear end in a top hat, heres hoping your replacement sucks more at his job
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Dec 9, 2018 21:08
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https://twitter.com/PghPublicSafety/status/1071793489535488001 RRRRRRRGGGGH! Alright I'm going to start walking the streets holding a shovel. To beat nazis to death with and then bury them shallowly.
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Dec 9, 2018 21:10
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The Glumslinger posted:Lol, imagine not cheering this Haha, that chant at the end is great. "Caca, pipi, capitalisme."
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Frabba posted:I feel like this is a more difficult rake for him to avoid at this point than you’re giving him credit for. Trump spent how long asking (and being rejected by) every respected/conservative lawyer he could find to join his defense team? Hmm, that's a good point, although I bet he did ask Jeanne Pirro too.
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Dec 9, 2018 21:18
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I am a business man with a solid forty years of criming under my belt. I have shady deals with foreign governments, and dozens of pending lawsuits. I’m stealing money from my charitable foundation. I’m paying off cops, criminals, and courts. I have generated and/or hidden billions of dollars from illegal enterprises in my lifetime. Somehow, I’ve gotten away clean for over four decades. I would like to continue grifting and stealing without consequence. Should I A) Run for the most visible and scrutinized public office in the known universe B) We don’t need B, because A is obviously the correct answer. Make it so!
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https://twitter.com/HeerJeet/status/1071864104850202624Veni Vidi Ameche! posted:I am a business man with a solid forty years of criming under my belt. I have shady deals with foreign governments, and dozens of pending lawsuits. I’m stealing money from my charitable foundation. I’m paying off cops, criminals, and courts. I have generated and/or hidden billions of dollars from illegal enterprises in my lifetime. Somehow, I’ve gotten away clean for over four decades. I would like to continue grifting and stealing without consequence. Should I i'll go to my death believing this was a marketing stunt gone wrong.
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Dec 9, 2018 21:30
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Tibalt posted:Boy, I can't conceive of any possible implications or consequences from letting the elected President be removed from office for purely partisan reasons once the opposing party wins control of the legislature. Literally none. LOL this assumes that Democrats are the good guys and don't deserve to be prosecuted for their crimes when in fact they are also trash criminals who take fucktons of money from billionaire Wall Street donors and their presidential criminal empires deserve to be brought down just like anyone else's.
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I think at some point the plan was not to get elected and instead create TrumpTV. But Trump greedy narcissistic and stupid so...
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Yeowch!!! My Balls!!! posted:rip vaguely competent horrible racist rear end in a top hat, heres hoping your replacement sucks more at his job Was he even vaguely competent? That's always been the popular perception, but I sure as hell didn't notice any change between before and after he showed up.
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Dec 9, 2018 21:40
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:It’s just going to suck when on Day 1 of the new Congressional term someone is going to ask Pelosi about impeachment and she’ll give some safe non-committal answer like “we’re currently looking to pursue various possibilities depending on circumstances blah blah blah” and the immediate reaction is going to be “loving WEAK DEMS, MAKE AOC SPEAKER” It'll suck more when she gives that answer up until she replaces it with "Well, it's too close to the election" and never does a single goddamn thing.
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Smeef posted:Was he even vaguely competent? That's always been the popular perception, but I sure as hell didn't notice any change between before and after he showed up. Prior to Kelly, the likes of Omarosa and Scaramucci roamed the White House. He definitely kicked out the loonier elements and reined Trump in a fair bit. Z. Autobahn fucked around with this message at 22:06 on Dec 9, 2018 |
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1glitch0 posted:It'll suck more when she gives that answer up until she replaces it with "Well, it's too close to the election" and never does a single goddamn thing. Toxx it or 
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Smeef posted:Was he even vaguely competent? That's always been the popular perception, but I sure as hell didn't notice any change between before and after he showed up. You didn't? I fully expect to Trump be riding around Kushner which he claims is a real T-Rex, whipping paper towels at anyone he finds within a month of Kelly quitting.
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Dec 9, 2018 21:54
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don jr is the most pathetic human being to ever live.
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Veni Vidi Ameche! posted:I am a business man with a solid forty years of criming under my belt. I have shady deals with foreign governments, and dozens of pending lawsuits. I’m stealing money from my charitable foundation. I’m paying off cops, criminals, and courts. I have generated and/or hidden billions of dollars from illegal enterprises in my lifetime. Somehow, I’ve gotten away clean for over four decades. I would like to continue grifting and stealing without consequence. Should I He had no fear because 1) He had never faced actual consequences for anything 2) He is an idiot who cannot imagine consequences he has not yet faced
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Elephant Ambush posted:LOL this assumes that Democrats are the good guys and don't deserve to be prosecuted for their crimes when in fact they are also trash criminals who take fucktons of money from billionaire Wall Street donors and their presidential criminal empires deserve to be brought down just like anyone else's. Oh wait, I see where this is going.
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weapon skins got weird. Groovelord Neato posted:https://twitter.com/jeremyscahill/status/1071856051102932992 good riddance to bag garbage. i am kinda curious how much worse/stupid poo poo will get now. kelly is an evil gently caress, but he kept some of trumps worse impulses under check. i doubt muchin or whoever will be the same.
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Dec 9, 2018 22:09
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so what are the chances of him getting thrown out of office?
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Chinese Gordon posted:The impeachment process is entirely political and is it overwhelmingly likely that Trump will not be indicted while he is a sitting president. Republican senators will not vote to convict unless Trump loses the support of the chuds, and nothing Mueller says will do that. That doesn't mean the Dem house shouldn't impeach, because they absolutely should as soon as it becomes likely a net political positive to do so. They shouldn't wait until it's a "net political positive." Once you can nail him to the wall, do it. One of the very reasons Congress exists is as a check on the President, so if you have absolutely impeachable evidence you act on it.
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There's only one thing Kelly's departure really means... The Mooch. Will Rise. Again.
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