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Tommy is literally an alien from outer space, and shouldn't be compared to earthbound ghouls like Trump or Cruz Edit - haha what a page snipe
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mobby_6kl posted:Lol I thought he knew everything about flipping! Why would he lie to me like this? My favorite part of this is that he says that campaign finance violations are not a big deal. So we have Donald Trump on record as saying Electoral crimes are not a big deal
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The best people. https://twitter.com/nancook/status/1071949333166211073?s=21
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Fuckbarrel surprisingly unpopular position, sources say.
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Countdown to trump nominating himself as chief of staff. "I know how I want to run my white house best".
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Meatball posted:Countdown to trump nominating himself as chief of staff. "I know how I want to run my white house best".
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mystes posted:Iirc he said he was going to be his own chief of staff like a year ago, but since it didn't happen here must have already realized it's a bad idea. Well, the chief of staff actually has to do work, so obviously Trump didn't want anything to do with it.
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A GIANT PARSNIP posted:Technically no one *has* to do anything. Trump is Calvin flushing Rosalyn's notes down the toilet.
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Fritz Coldcockin posted:Trump is Calvin flushing Rosalyn's notes down the toilet. I don't remember this interaction between Number One and the president.
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Dec 10, 2018 16:49
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HootTheOwl posted:I don't remember this interaction between Number One and the president. Is...is this a Kids Next Door reference? I didn't think anyone knew this show existed besides me.
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Fritz Coldcockin posted:Is...is this a Kids Next Door reference? I didn't think anyone knew this show existed besides me. BSG CONTENT: A snow day in the American south? Looks like we just bred a whole new generation of climate deniers.
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Mister Mind posted:There is a bad smock and there is a good smock. I know it's close to "smoking" but I think he actually dictated "loving".
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HootTheOwl posted:BSG can't have a gen of CC deniers if they all die in car crashes over 1 nano meter of snow. *taps head with baseball size icicle broken off newly formed snowbank glacier*
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I’m Sorry But This Is Just Sheer Propaganda by Nathan Robinson for Current Affairs, on the whitewashing of HW and how American media sands the edges off our imperial leaders.
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Lightning Knight posted:I’m Sorry But This Is Just Sheer Propaganda by Nathan Robinson for Current Affairs, on the whitewashing of HW and how American media sands the edges off our imperial leaders.
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https://twitter.com/NoahShachtman/status/1072267567975288832 Butina is gonna cooperate Witness Protection had better be all over that poo poo
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The Glumslinger posted:https://twitter.com/NoahShachtman/status/1072267567975288832 Eh, I bet that Putin doesn't really care, and it's entirely possible that she has received word that there won't be any fatal consequences for flipping. Yeah, he probably would have liked to have her keep working on building connections but with those connections exposed then the "maximum chaos" goal can still be advanced by Butina cooperating. Butina's going to be fine and I'd bet on her getting a warm welcome back in Russia once she's done serving time in the US.
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The Glumslinger posted:https://twitter.com/NoahShachtman/status/1072267567975288832 Looks like a job for the Eraser.  Arnie's character in Eraser is a Witness Protection agent
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Random Stranger posted:Eh, I bet that Putin doesn't really care, and it's entirely possible that she has received word that there won't be any fatal consequences for flipping. Yeah, he probably would have liked to have her keep working on building connections but with those connections exposed then the "maximum chaos" goal can still be advanced by Butina cooperating. Butina's going to be fine and I'd bet on her getting a warm welcome back in Russia once she's done serving time in the US. Yeah, maximum chaos option isn't killing Butina because if that happens on US soil, it would likely be enough to push some wavering Republicans into anti-Russia hardliners. Letting her go up to out basically the entire Republican Party and related national groups - in fact, she could even lie about additional groups involved - would be the maximum chaos option.
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If you had told me back in 2015 that before the end of the decade the NRA would be, if not destroyed but at least severely damaged as a functioning political entity that matters, I think I would die of old age before I ever guessed that one of the reasons might be a female Russian spy.
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Lightning Knight posted:I’m Sorry But This Is Just Sheer Propaganda by Nathan Robinson for Current Affairs, on the whitewashing of HW and how American media sands the edges off our imperial leaders. Thank you for posting this, it's fantastic.
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Random Stranger posted:Eh, I bet that Putin doesn't really care, and it's entirely possible that she has received word that there won't be any fatal consequences for flipping. Yeah, he probably would have liked to have her keep working on building connections but with those connections exposed then the "maximum chaos" goal can still be advanced by Butina cooperating. Butina's going to be fine and I'd bet on her getting a warm welcome back in Russia once she's done serving time in the US. a very large part of russia foreign policy has been making it clear there are fatal consequences for flipping, why the gently caress would they be like "oh no problem you can flip"
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Rigel posted:If you had told me back in 2015 that before the end of the decade the NRA would be, if not destroyed but at least severely damaged as a functioning political entity that matters, I think I would die of old age before I ever guessed that one of the reasons might be a female Russian spy. You'll need to walk me through how that happens, since none of this is going to be broadcast to Trump supporters, ever.
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evilweasel posted:a very large part of russia foreign policy has been making it clear there are fatal consequences for flipping, why the gently caress would they be like "oh no problem you can flip" That's not "flipping", that's "defecting". I'm extremely dubious that Butina is doing that, however if the Russian political campaign can continue by providing information through her talking to prosecutors then Russia is going to be happy with that. From the Russian perspective it would be better if she wasn't caught at all, but she has been caught and there's no reason why they wouldn't turn that to their advantage. There's no way that her attorney is not passing messages to her from the Russian government and their plan for years has been political disruption. It's not impossible that Butina has decided to talk and dodge Russian assassins; it's something other people have done successfully. It's just that given that this is something that works to the Russian government's advantage it seems more likely that they've told her things that it's okay to talk to prosecutors about.
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She's in the hands of literally the top counter intel people in the country. If anyone was going to flip her it would be them. Stupid thing about 15 years of torture interrogation fetishism is that it is so counter productive that people forgot that it's basically psychologically trivial to flip people if you just treat them with an almost paradoxical level of kindness and understanding
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Herstory Begins Now posted:She's in the hands of literally the top counter intel people in the country. If anyone was going to flip her it would be them. Stupid thing about 15 years of torture interrogation fetishism is that it is so counter productive that people forgot that it's basically psychologically trivial to flip people if you just treat them with an almost paradoxical level of kindness and understanding I remember when the US first started with the whole 'torture is cool and good' after 9/11 and people brought up a book written by a US officer back in WWII on interrogating nazi prisoners of war. The entire book was about treating them well and making a human connection with them - even the complete monsters like the gestapo- and how the success rate was insanely high for getting good information out of them. We've known what works for the better part of a century, we just don't do it because the people in power are insatiable sadists.
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I think she's going to plead guilty and get traded for a real spy like those The Americans a few years ago.
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Wrong thread. With Butina talking, Corsi and Stone squirming, the NRA going under, I feel like we are getting close to the end game. Who knows what will happen, but things are accelerating.
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Megillah Gorilla posted:I remember when the US first started with the whole 'torture is cool and good' after 9/11 and people brought up a book written by a US officer back in WWII on interrogating nazi prisoners of war. I imagine its one of those things too where people start questioning what the gently caress you are doing treating them well, results be damned.
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Telsa Cola posted:I imagine its one of those things too where people start questioning what the gently caress you are doing treating them well, results be damned. Yeah, the torture we engaged in after 9/11 was as much or more about revenge as it was extracting information.
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Skippy McPants posted:Yeah, the torture we engaged in after 9/11 was as much or more about revenge as it was extracting information.
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See also, WHAT THE RED CHINESE DO TO WOMEN, because it turns out that even though soft-shoeing does work, does provoke genuine ideological conversion etc, we were so much more willing to use functional, working interrogation methods on the Nazis for some reason. Also, discrediting the status of women in the Soviet Union and Red China is a top priority for liberals and has been so since FDR died. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Rigel posted:If you had told me back in 2015 that before the end of the decade the NRA would be, if not destroyed but at least severely damaged as a functioning political entity that matters, I think I would die of old age before I ever guessed that one of the reasons might be a female Russian spy. At this rate I'm half expecting it for the GOP in general outside of the reddest of the red southern and Midwest states come 2020 and beyond. The mask really fell off and they're not even trying to maintain the pretense that they aren't contemptuously callous and destructive people with the sole goal of enriching themselves and the ultra rich of the United States anymore. I'm not convinced the rest of the world feels it can even deal in good faith with a GOP government anymore either despite all the usual pretenses of international relations and decorum still being kept in place albeit just barely. They've just become far too radicalized for sane people and there's no real going back, not this generation at least. Even if they wanted to re-brand as a party I don't see how you apologize for Trump, McConnell, Hatch etc. any time within the next 15-20 years or so. Also regarding Maria Butina, why would she plead guilty to espionage for Russia if the Orange Man says it's all a witch hunt and there's no collusion.........unless......  I can't wait for the tweet on that one. The Russian operative literally plead guilty to espionage but....but....but...."THE DEMOCRATS!!!!" Kale fucked around with this message at 05:14 on Dec 11, 2018 |
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Kale posted:Also regarding Maria Butina, why would she plead guilty to espionage for Russia if the Orange Man says it's all a witch hunt and there's no collusion.........unless...... totally different investigation
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evilweasel posted:a very large part of russia foreign policy has been making it clear there are fatal consequences for flipping, why the gently caress would they be like "oh no problem you can flip" It's weird but theoretically possible if they want her to cause maximum chaos.
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EdithUpwards posted:Also, discrediting the status of women in the Soviet Union and Red China is a top priority for liberals and has been so since FDR died. what
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