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EponymousMrYar posted:Heat and Wildfire aren't bad on their own, the real problem is them mixing. Wildfire is an interesting take on a damage buff while Heat is an interesting take on a damage stance that you need to maintain. It's where they meet that I have the most consistent problem with them because I keep getting tripped up on 'ammo removes heat generation.' Asimo fucked around with this message at 00:23 on Dec 11, 2018 |
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BRD is the most fun job in the game
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Dec 11, 2018 00:19
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Arist posted:BRD is the most fun job in the game  It's a little too complex for me I admit, but it is good and fun despite it.
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Dec 11, 2018 00:23
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Karasu Tengu posted:Once you're at 70 the rotation lines up extremely well to a degree that makes the rotational melee classes look random. Oh right, this is the bigger problem. I did my leveling back in HW but current MCH leveling has some really, really rough spots in it now.
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Dec 11, 2018 00:34
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I wanna Refulgent Arrow more than Bard lets me. 
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Dec 11, 2018 00:46
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MCH apologists cannot overcome the designers love of having raids where the boss goes untargetable or adds phases that are hyper short short so wildfire just constantly gets deleted and you lose most of your big dps. It's a class that doesn't function without highly detailed knowledge of boss fights before you even fight them and doesn't mesh well with any encounter design done in the last expansion.
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ZenMasterBullshit posted:MCH apologists cannot overcome the designers love of having raids where the boss goes untargetable or adds phases that are hyper short short so wildfire just constantly gets deleted and you lose most of your big dps. It's a class that doesn't function without highly detailed knowledge of boss fights before you even fight them and doesn't mesh well with any encounter design done in the last expansion. This is literally an issue only for Exfaust, and Catastrophe if you miss a gcd or two. Maybe Guardian as well?
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ZenMasterBullshit posted:MCH apologists cannot overcome the designers love of having raids where the boss goes untargetable or adds phases that are hyper short short so wildfire just constantly gets deleted and you lose most of your big dps. It's a class that doesn't function without highly detailed knowledge of boss fights before you even fight them and doesn't mesh well with any encounter design done in the last expansion. I have progressed 2.5 of 3 tiers as MCH and I have not had this issue. Learning when it is and is not safe to wildfire or any other big DPS cooldown is literally part of learning any fight as any class and trying to single out MCH as special is ignoring at least half of the DPS and one of the tanks.
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ZenMasterBullshit posted:It's a class that doesn't function without highly detailed knowledge of boss fights before you even fight them and doesn't mesh well with any encounter design done in the last expansion. Yes MCH is the one most bitten by this. But everyone else is still bitten by it and that encourages the development of player skill. Yes this means that MCH requires a higher skill base in order to play well. This is not a problem in and of itself.
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EponymousMrYar posted:This argument can be made for every class in the game and is the core conceit behind Savage Raiding (learn mechanics -> execute mechanics -> optimize damage -> clear.) 
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Dec 11, 2018 01:26
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Asimo posted:Yeah, this is basically the problem. The two mechanics interact in really dumb and unfun ways that require low latency and super-precise ability use to actually make the most of, and it's just frustrating. I guess they could keep wildfire and dump heat, but MCH has been the least-played class by a good margin for two expansions now and of the two major mechanics heat adds a lot more to the class and gives a much more unique design space. Just swap wildfire out for some heat or overheat-based finisher or something. Guess which stupid motherfucker raids with MCH at 250ms ping and still enjoys it? I've resigned myself to never getting a 6GCD overheat, but MCH still plays perfectly fine even at high ping. It's not like any other job at this ping would be going smoothly as well. Also, as previously mentioned, with a proper rotation at 70 heat, ammo and wildfire all come together really smoothly.
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I think my favorite part of how janky MCH is is that flamethrower can be used for up to ten seconds, but using it for more than five is an absolutely terrible idea 99.999999999999% of the time. Like there's more obvious/more egregious jank than that, but that bit is so silly.
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the bossfight starts and i immediately unload ten full seconds of hot fire on his rear end. then once my weapon has cooled down i reapply my gauss barrel, popping wildfire as i shoot him a ton with my sick gun and use barrel stabilizer to make sure i don’t overheat
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Kaubocks posted:the bossfight starts and i immediately unload ten full seconds of hot fire on his rear end. then once my weapon has cooled down i reapply my gauss barrel, popping wildfire as i shoot him a ton with my sick gun and use barrel stabilizer to make sure i don’t overheat 
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Kaubocks posted:the bossfight starts and i immediately unload ten full seconds of hot fire on his rear end. then once my weapon has cooled down i reapply my gauss barrel, popping wildfire as i shoot him a ton with my sick gun and use barrel stabilizer to make sure i don’t overheat You trying to give me an aneurysm here?
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Dec 11, 2018 02:47
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Kaubocks posted:the bossfight starts and i immediately unload ten full seconds of hot fire on his rear end. then once my weapon has cooled down i reapply my gauss barrel, popping wildfire as i shoot him a ton with my sick gun and use barrel stabilizer to make sure i don’t overheat Oh no.
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EVERY MORNING I WAKE UP AND OPEN PALM SLAM A ROLL INTO THE ORCHESTRION. ITS METAL (BRUTE JUSTICE MODE) AND RIGHT THEN AND THERE I START DOING THE MOVES ALONGSIDE WITH THE MAIN CHARACTER, BRUTE JUSTICE. I DO EVERY MOVE AND I DO EVERY MOVE HARD. MAKIN WHOOSHING SOUNDS WHEN I SLAM DOWN SOME UPLANDERS OR EVEN WHEN I MESS UP MY OGCDS. NOT MANY CAN SAY THEY ESCAPED EORZEAS MOST DANGEROUS PRIMAL. I CAN. I SAY IT AND I SAY IT OUTLOUD EVERYDAY TO PEOPLE IN MY STATIC AND ALL THEY DO IS PROVE PEOPLE IN CATGIRL SIMULATORS CAN STILL BE IMMATURE JEKRS. AND IVE LEARNED ALL THE LINES AND IVE LEARNED HOW TO MAKE MYSELF AND MY PARTY FINDER LESS LONELY BY SHOUTING EM ALL. 5 GCDS INCLUDING COOL DOWN EVERY 90 SEConds
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Dec 11, 2018 03:08
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I'm leveling MCH now and it is by far the worst low level class I've played. It's less fun than sub-50 PLD!
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Xyven posted:I'm leveling MCH now and it is by far the worst low level class I've played. It's less fun than sub-50 PLD! Let's not go crazy here! Surely MCH has more than 3 buttons below level 50?
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Captain Cappy posted:Let's not go crazy here! Surely MCH has more than 3 buttons below level 50? It has 4 and you can only use one of those when things are at less than 20% health 
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Dec 11, 2018 03:32
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MCH below 50 is still a hell of a lot better than SMN or DRG below 50. Really, classes that are fun to play below ~60 are the exception rather than the rule.
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Dec 11, 2018 04:01
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Eureka Pyros is good.
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Hobgoblin2099 posted:We don't talk about sub-51 Summoner. sub-51 is honestly being generous imo. i'd say sub-60.
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I recently switched back to lalafell, so here's some glamour shots of my main jobs:   
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Mordiceius posted:Eureka Pyros is good.  Eureka will never be good until it fixes its obsession with RNG layered RNG. And stops making competition for the Notorious Monsters needed for the weapon. It's really lame when people let a Penthesilea window pass because they'd rather spawn Skoll.
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Hobgoblin2099 posted:It's really lame when people let a Penthesilea window pass because they'd rather spawn Skoll. Oh no. A boss you only have to kill twice for your weapon. And you missed a window! How will you ever recover?
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Mordiceius posted:Oh no. A boss you only have to kill twice for your weapon. And you missed a window! How will you ever recover? The windows are lame, the boss requirements are lame, hunts are lame, pyros is lame.
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Failboattootoot posted:The windows are lame, the boss requirements are lame, hunts are lame, pyros is lame. mlyp
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Genovera posted:I recently switched back to lalafell, so here's some glamour shots of my main jobs: WHM, NIN, fake edit: Oh wait, something ACN.
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Mordiceius posted:Oh no. A boss you only have to kill twice for your weapon. And you missed a window! How will you ever recover? Kind of a problem when Heat Waves can not show up for 11 hours.
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Hobgoblin2099 posted:Kind of a problem when Heat Waves can not show up for 11 hours. While this is true it can also show up multiple times in a row too. Penny gets spawned so often that by the time you have the 300 crystals you need to actually use her widgets you'll probably have an excess. I had like 15 of the bastards before I had 300 crystals.
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ImpAtom posted:While this is true it can also show up multiple times in a row too. Penny gets spawned so often that by the time you have the 300 crystals you need to actually use her widgets you'll probably have an excess. I had like 15 of the bastards before I had 300 crystals. It's so ~randumb~
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Hobgoblin2099 posted:Eureka will never be good
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Praying for Shadoweureka to not have a relic in it and then be completely abandoned.
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Bleu posted:Praying for Shadoweureka to not have a relic in it and then be completely abandoned. Every dungeon in Bloodshadow will have a separate leveling system and you'll have to level up in the dungeon before you can clear the boss.
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SwissArmyDruid posted:WHM, NIN, Yeah, the third one is SCH. I mostly heal, so I included both it and WHM. I wish I could justify a unique AST glamour, but 10 plates doesn't get me very far (right now it shares with SCH). I'd really like at least 25 plates so I can have unique looks for my DoH/DoL classes too.
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Karasu Tengu posted:They're not wrong. Nothing I love more than completely randomly losing 300-400 dps because the game felt like I shouldn't get a crit for an entire song phase.
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