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VitalSigns posted:Not that there aren't a ton of legitimate reasons to dislike her (the warmongering, the corruption, the fantastical mercenary cowardice of her Iraq War vote, 'superpredators', the hosed-up racist primary campaign she ran against Obama, scaremongering that Bernie wants to take away your healthcare, etc), but the absolute batshit obsession with her from the right is pure misogyny and terror of shifting cultural mores. This cuts to the heart of things. There are valid reasons to dislike her, but they're all things they'd like if they weren't coming from Hillary Clinton.
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Goon Danton posted:This cuts to the heart of things. There are valid reasons to dislike her, but they're all things they'd like if they weren't coming from Hillary Clinton. I I’m also pretty sure they think she and Obama told the military to stand and not rescue Ben ghazi while also green lighting the terrorists to go in
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Ambitious Spider posted:I I’m also pretty sure they think she and Obama told the military to stand and not rescue Ben ghazi while also green lighting the terrorists to go in That's part of the shifting cultural mores. Of course women who aren't homemakers are in league with patriarchal Muslim theocratic fundies, because they both represent something different than the patriarchal Christian theocratic culture I grew up with, and everything that is different is evil and bad and also all working together on the same side. Occasionally someone will notice that feminists and Islamic theocrats don't share the same goals, no matter this either proves feminists are too stupid to know how Saudi Arabia treats women, or they go full incel with it and start believing American feminist women want to wear burkas and be the property of a sexy Arab lover who builds his bulging biceps by crushing white male skulls.
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Real talk: when are GOP Congressmen going to push for an investigation of George Soros? This is a thing that is going to happen
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The weirdest thing about the Q conspiracy is how it feels designed to be, like, the inverse of a classical conspiracy. Like, the classic model is "There's a powerful cabal of evil [jews/illuminati/lizard people] and they're responsible for all the bad things and we, the little guy, are getting out the truth!" It's all about ascribing order to chaos and creating, by unintentional design, a self-fulfilling prophecy; because the cabal's got so much power, there's nothing that you really meaningfully expect to happen, you just blame it for everything bad and that feels good. But Q is saying there's a powerful GOOD cabal in charge of everything that's going to make all these GOOD things happen... which feels destined to implode, and pretty quickly, when those expectations aren't met.
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Z. Autobahn posted:The weirdest thing about the Q conspiracy is how it feels designed to be, like, the inverse of a classical conspiracy. Like, the classic model is "There's a powerful cabal of evil [jews/illuminati/lizard people] and they're responsible for all the bad things and we, the little guy, are getting out the truth!" It's all about ascribing order to chaos and creating, by unintentional design, a self-fulfilling prophecy; because the cabal's got so much power, there's nothing that you really meaningfully expect to happen, you just blame it for everything bad and that feels good. But Q is saying there's a powerful GOOD cabal in charge of everything that's going to make all these GOOD things happen... which feels destined to implode, and pretty quickly, when those expectations aren't met. Yet it never does, because it is a grift for the most braindead bumpkin boomer possible
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Z. Autobahn posted:But Q is saying there's a powerful GOOD cabal in charge of everything that's going to make all these GOOD things happen... which feels destined to implode, and pretty quickly, when those expectations aren't met. Jesus and his heavenfighters[tm] are coming to fight off satan's demons, anytime now. They just have to wait it out. Christian cults of various types and qualities of belief have been waiting for this for thousands of years. Q is just one of those Christian cults. Most adherents will just keep waiting and keep believing, or just move on to the next trendy cult. Maybe flat earth next, maybe white supremacy now that it has more attention. Unfortunately, I don't see this trend stopping anytime soon. ashpanash fucked around with this message at 04:47 on Dec 14, 2018 |
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Yeah Q is pretty much the newest in a line of apocalypse cults. Just the wide reaching of the internet has let it go much further.
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Z. Autobahn posted:which feels destined to implode, and pretty quickly, when those expectations aren't met. Prophetic cults have been studied before (and talked about itt), and surprisingly no. They can hang on for months or years after the failure of prophecy, with the predictions reinterpreted somehow as the cultists use the same motivated reasoning that got them to believe the illogical prophecies in the first place. Really the existence of the QAnon cult itself is a testament to this phenomenon: it began when the conspiracy theories surrounding the Trump campaign failed to come true. About a year after he didn't LOCK!HER!UP! in accordance with the prophecy Q appeared to tell us all that the rapture had happened invisibly and all the Deep State actors like Hillary and Obama and Comey etc had all been secretly arrested, and all would be revealed in time. Then the story became that the public wasn't ready to hear it and it's up to the faithful believers to believe with all their hearts and evangelize the word of Q until the people convert and are ready to receive his grace. Now Q has pretty much become God Himself. During the Kavanaugh hearings he dropped 53-47, which presumably was supposed to be the final confirmation vote (proof that Q is a Washington insider with knowledge of confidential whip counts that only someone high up in the administration would know) but whoops that didn't turn out to be the count so then it became the Senate composition after the midterms and Q is no longer just a top military guy with the highest security clearance, he's the Christian God or a time traveller or something else supernatural guiding everything with his mysterious ways that we can't comprehend and must take on faith.
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Enola Gay-For-Pay posted:I know this is kind of their entire deal, but why are these people so obsessed with Hillary Clinton? Why is she their boogieman instead of someone else? Like, she's just kind of an uninspiring politician who hosed up running for president. Is it just because she's a woman? Because she ran against Trump? What makes them fixate so hard on her? *One of my favorite "reason why Hillary lost" was "Saturday Night live was mean to her". Like really Modern Saturday Night Live was mean to her??? Have you ever searched "norm macdonald hillary clinton snl" on youtube? Toplowtech fucked around with this message at 06:23 on Dec 14, 2018 |
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More blowback from the JFK Jr incident.https://worldpress957.wordpress.com/2018/12/13/f-u-q/amp posted:In the history of mankind, a woman has never been so betrayed, so angered, so ready for revenge..ready for WAR. The war on our minds continues, and this time? I am finished. DONE. For all intents and purposes, I will be leaving the Q movement and moving to a bunker at the North Pole. The first person to bring in anything electronic (tv, cell, iPad)will be shot, not once, but twice-I mean it, I am OVER IT.
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Yes, how many people will commit suicide because a dude that died 20 years ago turned out to be dead? That's the issue of our time.
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Its a badass revenge story decades in the making and allows them to not only rope in every Kennedy conspiracy theory ever, but to give them a new, cathartic ending.
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Conservatives love JFK as "the last good democrat" who was willing to reach across the aisle etc. They love the idea of the Kennedys getting killed off because they didnt tow the party line and how Ted betrayed them.
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Luigi's Discount Porn Bin posted:More blowback from the JFK Jr incident. Tag yourself, I'm #RAGE.
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VitalSigns posted:That's part of the shifting cultural mores. poo poo who doesn't?
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https://twitter.com/willsommer/status/1073572125993246721 There is no conceivable evidence that will convince these people they are wrong. e: lol https://twitter.com/LasagnaGarden/status/1073576457778184192 zoux fucked around with this message at 15:04 on Dec 14, 2018 |
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zoux posted:https://twitter.com/willsommer/status/1073572125993246721 A perverse part of me wants to create a QAnon kids book as 1) above-board grift and 2) whimsy and 3) to underline in a different way just how absolutely insane the Q worldview is. Imagine teaching a kid to persistently ignore easily-observed objective facts in favor of an unseen oracle from a filthy, untrustworthy place whose predictions never come true, whose influence only isolates you further. It'd be like The Thief Of Always (or Coraline), except from the villain's perspective.
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Luigi's Discount Porn Bin posted:More blowback from the JFK Jr incident. Lmao this is wonderfully stupid I do think it's great that the one self aware Christian about christmas' origins is somehow still nuts TulliusCicero fucked around with this message at 16:57 on Dec 14, 2018 |
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TheWeepingHorse posted:Imagine teaching a kid to persistently ignore easily-observed objective facts in favor of an unseen oracle from a filthy, untrustworthy place whose predictions never come true, whose influence only isolates you further. Ah you mean the Bible methinks 
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nimby posted:Yes, how many people will commit suicide because a dude that died 20 years ago turned out to be dead? That's the issue of our time. Not enough, frankly.
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TulliusCicero posted:Lmao this is wonderfully stupid "Christians who are self-aware about Christmas' origins" puts you in the club with the Puritans and the Jehovah's Witnesses. Sometimes being right on one thing comes from being insanely wrong on a bunch of others.
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VitalSigns posted:That's part of the shifting cultural mores. It's part of the extremely simplistic and dichotomous worldview that is part and parcel of the Conservative worldview. I've written a lot about it in my academic career and PJ touches on it a lot with their Narrative theory stuff. But basically even as far back as like the earliest bits of recorded history, you see this sort of narrative/viewpoint playing out. There is only the Good and the Bad and everything that is Bad is not a distinct enemy to be confronted on its own terms, but rather simply another expression of the Bad. It's why they can call Obama a Muslim and an Atheist in the same breath. Because 'Muslim' and 'Atheist' are not distinct and unique things, they are both simply expressions of the Bad. Same with feminism and Islam, and whatever else. It's also a big part of the appeal of Illuminati conspiracy theories - Q included. It provides a 'logical' framework for everything and puts a name to the Bad. Atheists and Muslims are both pawns of the Illuminati. Etc, etc.
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Rotten Red Rod posted:WWG1WGA. WWG1WGA indeed. Someone remind me what that stands for.
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Moon Slayer posted:Someone remind me what that stands for. Where we go one, we go apeshit
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Where We Go One, We Go All.
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I can't find it but I remember when trump tweeted "Scott Free" there were qultists who figured out it was on purpose because somehow that name is connected to a company that produced the movie the quote "where we go one, we go all" comes from. So obviously Trump is Q
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Moon Slayer posted:Someone remind me what that stands for. When we get owned, we get annihilated.
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RoboChrist 9000 posted:Where We Go One, We Go All. It’s beautiful because they don’t go anywhere and, as perfectly atomized consuming strip-mall subjects, have no conception of solidarity.
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