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Fallen Hamprince posted:the best think is that kropoopkin has admitted that the 're-education camp' policy is self defeating and will only make radicalism more popular, but apparently thinks that when this becomes happens the politburo will decide that the perceived threat they have spent untold billions suppressing isn't really worth dealing with anymore. the party leadership was willing to kill literally thousands of its own citizens in the streets of the capital in 1989, theyre not gonna think much about liquidating some 'terrorists' in a frontier province that's basically an open-air prison already tbf it's likely to work since 10 million Uighurs is small enough % of the Chinese population for China to literally keep the entire ethnic group in camps
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Dec 17, 2018 07:50
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Fallen Hamprince posted:this is directly analogous to how neo-nazis mock the estimates of the number of people killed in the Holocaust Well it really isn't, because there isn't any kind of genocide going on.
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Dec 17, 2018 07:53
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:Well it really isn't, because there isn't any kind of genocide going on. correct there needs to actually be mass graves for to be genocide
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Dec 17, 2018 07:56
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Known Lecher posted:Soviet archives themselves officially document a bit over a million deaths, I guess the difference between "a million" and "a few million" dead feels a bit like semantics Soviet archives are suspect since Khrushchev revisionists alters history to discredit Stalin
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Dec 17, 2018 07:57
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state directed capitalism upselling the value of death camps as educational has got to be the greatest marketing stunt since ninety-nine cents.
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Dec 17, 2018 07:59
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Typo posted:if you take a serious look at the world: how many dies from capitalism: lack of basic healthcare, starvation, imperialist wars, you'll realize that capitalism kills more in a month than Socialist concentration camps in west China would in 10 years How many people have died of similar conditions in China who would have lived if Maoism and Dengism were capable of providing the same quality of life in 70 years as Marxist-Leninism was able to provide in only 15?
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Dec 17, 2018 08:00
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Mantis42 posted:How many people have died of similar conditions in China who would have lived if Maoism and Dengism were capable of providing the same quality of life in 70 years as Marxist-Leninism was able to provide in only 15? Maosim and Dengism IS Marxist-Leninist
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Dec 17, 2018 08:02
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Mantis42 posted:How many people have died of similar conditions in China who would have lived if Maoism and Dengism were capable of providing the same quality of life in 70 years as Marxist-Leninism was able to provide in only 15? I think people seriously underestimate just how poor China was coming out of 1950 after a century of colonialism, warlordism, and civil war. The material conditions of Russia and China were extremely different.
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Dec 17, 2018 08:06
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jfood posted:state directed capitalism upselling the value of death camps as educational has got to be the greatest marketing stunt since ninety-nine cents. again, there's no confirmation that anyone even died, only source which claim death have being from Bourgeois controlled western media citing known Uighur separatists, it's incorrect to call them death camps, they are only re-eduacational concentration camps for now
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Dec 17, 2018 08:07
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lol. Feels like only yesterday that explainer was denying camps existed at all.
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Dec 17, 2018 08:22
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Typo posted:In the US due process only applies to whites which are around 65-70% of the population, in China due process applies to ethnic Chinese which are >90% of the population, hence due process under Socialism is mathematically superior to (lack of) due process under capitalism
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Dec 17, 2018 08:26
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I can definitely see how the thread got its title, this is fantastic
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Dec 17, 2018 09:48
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The creatures outside looked from fakepost to terrible analysis, and from terrible analysis to fakepost, and from fakepost to terrible analysis again; but already it was impossible to say which was which.
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Dec 17, 2018 13:55
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It's cool all these posters defending ethnic cleansing imo
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Dec 17, 2018 14:02
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Jose posted:It's cool all these posters defending ethnic cleansing imo you must have meant to post this in gbs
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Dec 17, 2018 14:07
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the people who've actually been there talk about how the security state is pervasive even among majority han cities and everyone in the autonomous regions has to deal with it. weird way to ethnically cleanse if you ask me
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Dec 17, 2018 14:17
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but i'm sure xinjiang brown moses is totally telling the truth and the satellite photos he posts on medium dot com that nobody vets are of a new gulag archipelago.
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Dec 17, 2018 14:19
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namesake posted:The creatures outside looked from fakepost to terrible analysis, and from terrible analysis to fakepost, and from fakepost to terrible analysis again; but already it was impossible to say which was which.
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Dec 17, 2018 15:12
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isn't Xinjiang also the industrial hellhole that makes the Moon look more accommodating to terrestrial life?
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Dec 17, 2018 16:23
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seeing profane idolators go to bat for a residential school system in '18, this may in fact be the 'much bestest thread'
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Dec 17, 2018 16:30
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R. Guyovich posted:but i'm sure xinjiang brown moses is totally telling the truth and the satellite photos he posts on medium dot com that nobody vets are of a new gulag archipelago. When people post independent analyses you respond with this, when people post analyses by major news outlets and human rights groups it’s clear evidence that fake news and the deep state is going after China.
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Dec 17, 2018 16:43
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jfood posted:seeing profane idolators go to bat for a residential school system in '18, this may in fact be the 'much bestest thread' it's not a "residential school system" residential schools in Canada separated parents from their children in an act of genocide, even dissidents agree that in Xinjiang parents and children are not seperated
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Dec 17, 2018 17:02
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Victory Position posted:isn't Xinjiang also the industrial hellhole that makes the Moon look more accommodating to terrestrial life? No, Xinjiang lacks industry which is why the Chinese government have being investing in new businesses there helping to bring in jobs, promote class consciousness, and increase productivity Typo has issued a correction as of 17:28 on Dec 17, 2018 |
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Dec 17, 2018 17:02
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R. Guyovich posted:but i'm sure xinjiang brown moses is totally telling the truth and the satellite photos he posts on medium dot com that nobody vets are of a new gulag archipelago. So who do you want to vet this stuff? Whose analysis would you accept?
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Dec 17, 2018 17:29
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R. Guyovich posted:the people who've actually been there talk about how the security state is pervasive even among majority han cities and everyone in the autonomous regions has to deal with it. weird way to ethnically cleanse if you ask me It's more like cultural conversion/elimination and any Uighur who does not convert to proper and upstanding Han culture can spend time in the reeducation camps until then.
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Dec 17, 2018 17:48
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homex has previously cited press releases translated by tankie twitter to prove that North Korea is a fully-representative workers democracy so I’m not sure his concerns about sourcing are entirely in good faith
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Dec 17, 2018 17:51
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Fallen Hamprince posted:When people post independent analyses you respond with this, when people post analyses by major news outlets and human rights groups it’s clear evidence that fake news and the deep state is going after China. they're all part of the same ecosystem. those news outlets boost "independent" and "open-source" analysis that lines up with their own preconceptions. you'd have to be an idiot to claim there's no relationship, even if there isn't a formal one. Fallen Hamprince posted:homex has previously cited press releases translated by tankie twitter to prove that North Korea is a fully-representative workers democracy so I’m not sure his concerns about sourcing are entirely in good faith quote where i did this. if you can't do it you're back on probation for however long i feel like.
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Dec 17, 2018 17:54
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Dec 17, 2018 18:00
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sincx posted:Typo is really good at his gimmick.
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Dec 17, 2018 18:05
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sincx posted:Typo is really good at his gimmick. We don't need homex any more
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Dec 17, 2018 18:07
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5000 years of good posting
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Dec 17, 2018 18:12
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Marxist-Jezzinist posted:We don't need homex any more
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Dec 17, 2018 18:13
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namesake posted:The creatures outside looked from fakepost to terrible analysis, and from terrible analysis to fakepost, and from fakepost to terrible analysis again; but already it was impossible to say which was which.
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Dec 17, 2018 18:17
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R. Guyovich posted:quote where i did this. if you can't do it you're back on probation for however long i feel like. R. Guyovich posted:i was gonna post the thread in the first reply here. it's good. i’d post the quotes of you regurgitating goodrums poo poo in other threads but I’ve already had to trawl through your awful posts way too much for one day Fallen Hamprince has issued a correction as of 18:35 on Dec 17, 2018 |
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Dec 17, 2018 18:33
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R. Guyovich posted:they're all part of the same ecosystem. those news outlets boost "independent" and "open-source" analysis that lines up with their own preconceptions. you'd have to be an idiot to claim there's no relationship, even if there isn't a formal one.  US/western media who "reports" on China are driven by profit and hegemonic liberal ideology thus leading them to write "click-bait" articles to generate ad revenue while spreading false/exaggerated rumors, discredit Socialism, incite international pressure on China with the goal of returning colonialism and hurt the feeling of the Chinese people. One interesting aspect of socialism is that it takes out the profit motive and thus incentivize more honest reporting. It's telling that story originated from UK state ran media "BBC" outlet on Xinjiang camps and are believed by the liberals and social fascists itt, but story put out by Chinese state media refuting those stories are mocked. Really tells you something about the hegemonic ideology here. Perhaps US/UK should clean up their own human rights abuses and come to terms with genocide of American Indians and Africans before criticizing other countries. Typo has issued a correction as of 19:00 on Dec 17, 2018 |
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Dec 17, 2018 18:43
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Fallen Hamprince posted:When people post independent analyses you respond with this, when people post analyses by major news outlets and human rights groups it’s clear evidence that fake news and the deep state is going after China.
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Dec 17, 2018 19:11
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Typo posted:No, Xinjiang lacks industry which is why the Chinese government have being investing in new businesses there helping to bring in jobs, promote class consciousness, and increase productivity where's the western-most industrial hellhole then? you know, the one where the journalist that was snapping pictures of it up and vanished
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Dec 17, 2018 19:51
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Victory Position posted:where's the western-most industrial hellhole then? you know, the one where the journalist that was snapping pictures of it up and vanished inner Mongolia I think
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Dec 17, 2018 19:53
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Victory Position posted:where's the western-most industrial hellhole then? you know, the one where the journalist that was snapping pictures of it up and vanished Gansu, maybe shaanxi?
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Dec 17, 2018 19:56
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Victory Position posted:where's the western-most industrial hellhole then? you know, the one where the journalist that was snapping pictures of it up and vanished They didn't go on vacation. More Western lies. They merely went on an extended holiday in awe by the glory of Chinar
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Dec 17, 2018 20:26
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