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lol if you actually moved to windows 10 instead of running 7 forever
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The furniture analogy also sucks because if you could build your own bed or couch and guarantee that it would be a better, more comfortable couch than the kind you buy in a store and allow you to get more out of all your favorite movies and shows and games because of the quality... why the gently caress wouldn’t you?
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joedevola posted:edit: Look man I feel you, building a PC can be stressful but I tell you I've never done anything at all like what that excerpt is describing and I've built several of them at this point. The opposite end of the argument you're proposing is, what else can your PS4 Pro do? Yes, I built a beast of a computer for a grand, but it's not just used for gaming. It has all this processor power that won't normally be used in a game, so why waste it? My PC is also a workhorse, I use it to run graphics programs, video editing, and writing and compiling builds. Show me a $1000 prefab Sony product that can run two different OSes, Final Cut Pro, Photoshop, and Unity, and we'll call it even. yes i know lots of people try to separate their work machine from their game machine but i feel like that is actually a superfluous expense 
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joedevola posted:You've been tricked into performing labour and overpaying for parts because it gives you the illusion of being some sort of artisan. quote:Again, nothing else in consumer electronics is like this. Remote control cars, digital photography, and so on are similar areas that can get very expensive very quickly buying pre-fabricated components to assemble into a single functional item. You seem to have not thought about this. quote:edit: alright, 4K with nice settings at a locked 30 with no screen tearing or any other weird buggy bullshit. Still seems like a pretty good deal. I just want that but with mouse and keyboard gaming The PS4 Pro uses checkerboarding for many of its enhanced 4k resolutions, which means it can push a 4k image to a display by doing sort of an overlap between progressive scan and interlacing. Native 4k is very intensive, which is why those 4k games don't run at 60 fps. PCs can be made capable of this. Checkerboarding can look really nice, and Horizon Zero Dawn in 4k looks fantastic as do other games that use this technique, but for people who want native 4k resolution at 60 fps, you're not going to get it for 350 right now. Basically your ignorance has inflated your perception of how good consoles are, and though yeah I agree they've gotten very very good and perform much better than a PC for the same amount of money, PCs do more things and are capable of graphics quality that you simply cannot get for what most people would pay for in a console. The fact that you don't personally consider these differences to be meaningful doesn't mean they aren't meaningful to the people who genuinely want those things. Anyways nice bad opinion signalnoise fucked around with this message at 20:56 on Dec 17, 2018 |
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Dec 17, 2018 20:52
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Honestly yeah that was a really impressive bad opinion, kudos to that guy for this discussion.
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Dec 17, 2018 20:57
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joedevola posted:Cooking meals from scratch with ingredients costs less than processed meals. You're making the opposite of the argument you think you're making. I'm not sure what point you think I'm trying to make
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Dec 17, 2018 20:59
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Call me when I can shitpost on SA via my Nintendo switch 
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Dec 17, 2018 21:06
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Martman posted:lol if you actually moved to windows 10 instead of running 7 forever Unfortunately some newer CPUs don't support Windows 7, otherwise yeah that would have been the best way. Also building a PC is in no way difficult and for 500-700$ you can cobble together something decent if not high end. If a retarded 15 year old can do it (past me) so can you.
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Dec 17, 2018 21:07
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jokes posted:Honestly yeah that was a really impressive bad opinion, kudos to that guy for this discussion. Cheers. Gaming PCs still cost too much though.
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Dec 17, 2018 21:11
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This thread sure is something
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The tangentially conflicting opinions found next to each other are great. "I just want it to look good for the games I want to play and for not a lot of money" and "Switch bad" complement each other super well as someone who likes the mainstream entries on the Switch for gameplay and thinks they look good because good art direction makes up for any lack of pseudo 4k resolution. It's been a very tasty last few pages
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Dec 17, 2018 21:36
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jokes posted:It is odd, the Windows-PC gaming unholy union. Like, Windows is getting bigger and more invasive. There are considerable system resources (especially storage) that's getting sucked up just for Windows's junk. My PC is 100% a video game device. Well, maybe 95% video games and 5% porn. So it's odd that there isn't a way to play video games on a leaner platform like how consoles operate. Though, I guess Xbox will be running a very small version of Windows 10 or something? I don't know. just use Windows 7 enterprise
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Dec 17, 2018 21:37
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I haven't owned a console since PS2 and I bought a switch a few weeks ago. Played it for maybe 4 hours since (not a basement dwelling gaming addict) but it's a lovely gaming system and I love how elegant the design is.
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Dec 17, 2018 21:40
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Good art design can trump a lack of cutting edge graphics, but all the people who made that argument about BotW are just delusion because that game was sorely lacking in both departments. Like they basically just said "what if we took all the OOT environments and updated it with the best graphics technology 2012 had to offer"
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Dec 17, 2018 22:14
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is pepsi ok posted:Like they basically just said "what if we took all the OOT environments and updated it with the best graphics technology 2012 had to offer" The SNES was the last console that was up to par specswise for it's generation so this is basically Nintendo 101 at this point
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Dec 17, 2018 22:18
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making GBS threads on something because you're too dumb to do it isn't unpopular. Every dumbass does it
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bradzilla posted:The SNES was the last console that was up to par specswise for it's generation so this is basically Nintendo 101 at this point I uh, what? The N64 was the strongest thing on the market when it came out and blew the ps1 away in drat near everything. The ps1 had to use pre rendered junk all over the place and the actual stuff rendered in game holds up even worse than n64 stuff. I think the gamecube was a little weaker than the ps2/xbox, but it was close enough that 3rd party stuff got ported to it pretty much identically. It wasn't until the Wii that nintendo very obviously stopped giving a crap about competing in the system power race.
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N64 was really hampered by the fact Nintendo didn't want to give up the money spigot that was module manufacturing.
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jokes posted:It is odd, the Windows-PC gaming unholy union. Like, Windows is getting bigger and more invasive. There are considerable system resources (especially storage) that's getting sucked up just for Windows's junk. My PC is 100% a video game device. Well, maybe 95% video games and 5% porn. So it's odd that there isn't a way to play video games on a leaner platform like how consoles operate. Though, I guess Xbox will be running a very small version of Windows 10 or something? I don't know. xbox always ran windows and directx. the first xbox was pretty much a repackaged pc
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I think botw is the epitome of a boring game where you run around doing dumb bullshit. All you find are the same 5 enemies, koroks and shrines and all the shrines are mindnumbing and easy, none of the giant beast dungeons were interesting or challenging at all
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Caesar Saladin posted:I think botw is the epitome of a boring game where you run around doing dumb bullshit. All you find are the same 5 enemies, koroks and shrines and all the shrines are mindnumbing and easy, none of the giant beast dungeons were interesting or challenging at all And the combat sucks too. BOTW is the one game I'm constantly told is amazing but I don't see it. Also Part of the appeal of PC to me is that they can get as cheap or expensive as you want them to be based on your personal needs. The idea that you need maxed out parts for a hella pricey build has always confused me.
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klapman posted:Okay. The way things are right now it's better to buy prebuilt anyways. There's no reason to try and justify not wanting to do it by saying you don't have the time, which is ridiculous because it's a two hour task at max if you're being really anal about it. Why is prebuilt better? Is it those coinminers again? drat kids
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is pepsi ok posted:Good art design can trump a lack of cutting edge graphics, but all the people who made that argument about BotW are just delusion because that game was sorely lacking in both departments. Like they basically just said "what if we took all the OOT environments and updated it with the best graphics technology 2012 had to offer" Yeah, BotW is a Wii U game so that checks out. Personally I like the gameplay, but the graphics were clearly designed to look good on older stuff. Mario Odyssey is a much better looking game in general, as are most other mainstream Switch-only titles. ChazTurbo posted:Also Part of the appeal of PC to me is that they can get as cheap or expensive as you want them to be based on your personal needs. The idea that you need maxed out parts for a hella pricey build has always confused me. Building a PC after watching like a 15-20 minute youtube video to familiarize yourself with generic parts takes less time and effort than a lego set that says Ages 6+ on it. signalnoise fucked around with this message at 01:22 on Dec 18, 2018 |
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This. I sold my friend a 1060 recently to get a 1070ti and 1440p High HZ screen. I may not be able to max out games with high frames forever or in every title but I have the benefit of finding settings that suit my personal graphics/performance needs. I plan on riding this gpu for 3-4 years or more.
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I think both console's and PCs are pretty darn cool
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Sid Vicious posted:I think both console's and PCs are pretty darn cool Hell yea dude!
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joedevola posted:PC gaming is a scam and everyone who tells you to build your own PC is a mug. as someone who used to be all about PCs this is true, tried to help my friend build a PC recently: - lovely case with glass side panels arrived with one of the panels completely shattered and had to clean glass shards out of the box and case. - He did not realize he needed a new CPU and RAM because the motherboard he bought was incompatible with his current hardware, 2 week delay. - lovely rubber things in his case kept falling out when pushing wires through them or doing anything (note: he bought a very expensive case). - SSD areas in his case made no sense whatsoever, I had to jerry-rig his SSD into the slots but I have no idea what they expected people to do even with the manual and instructions. - No area for his DVD/blu-ray player; whole front of the case was taken up by pre-installed fans. I guess most of these problems were caused by the case and I should have just said return it but the motherboard incompatibilities made me feel bad about all the money he spent. What's funny is all he does is play LoL and browser games so he's not going to notice any performance increase because his previous PC worked beautifully for this stuff (which I also helped build).
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a bone to pick posted:as someone who used to be all about PCs this is true, tried to help my friend build a PC recently: This sounds less a case of PC gaming being a scam and more your friend being a moron that doesn't do any research or due diligence for poo poo they buy.
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is pepsi ok posted:Good art design can trump a lack of cutting edge graphics, but all the people who made that argument about BotW are just delusion because that game was sorely lacking in both departments. Like they basically just said "what if we took all the OOT environments and updated it with the best graphics technology 2012 had to offer" No way. BOTW has stellar art direction. You need to go back and look at OOT again because the two don’t look much alike much at all. The studio Ghibli meets team Ico style in BOTW owns bones.
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Wrath of the Bitch King posted:This sounds less a case of PC gaming being a scam and more your friend being a moron that doesn't do any research or due diligence for poo poo they buy. Yeah. You can easily look up any compatibility information, there is only a handful of different CPU slots and both motherboards and CPUs clearly spell out everything. And computer cases, outside of arguably being made to allow more efficient cooling via internal layout, are more of a suggestion than a rule. Want a DVD player but no room in the case? As long as you have connectors, leave it outside the case who gives a gently caress about it looking good.
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Dec 18, 2018 02:36
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Buy a Fractal Design case. They are great.
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Building a PC is the easiest it's ever been. Just make sure your motherboard is compatible with your RAM and the CPU slot supports whatever CPU you want. I'm really struggling to understand how you could gently caress it up unless you're the dopiest mouthbreather there is. There are a bunch of websites that effectively build your parts lists for you. Also: Lambert posted:Buy a Fractal Design case. They are great.
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joedevola posted:PC gaming is a scam and everyone who tells you to build your own PC is a mug. Builiding a PC is fun as hell though. Getting parts delivered in the mail and putting them together so you can get that "HOLY poo poo" message in the UT2k4 video settings menu was really fun as a kid.
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Wrath of the Bitch King posted:This sounds less a case of PC gaming being a scam and more your friend being a moron that doesn't do any research or due diligence for poo poo they buy. yeah he did not do any research at all it seems, he just said "hey I ordered a bunch of parts help me build my pc for $100!" and I said sure. I think he just bought whatever was most expensive on newegg.
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Home gardening is such a scam, you mugs have been tricked into doing a bunch of labor for things you can just buy at the grocery store. Load of loving marks
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pcs and consoles are both rad and building PCs is super easy if you have even the slightest idea what you're doing but as noted above this really doesn't mean it's as foolproof as some of you were making it out to be. idk, ive only built a few but that's because (also as noted above) they really don't age nearly as hard as they used to, and an occasional incremental upgrade goes a long way unpopular opinion: the poison swamp woods area of dark souls 3 was neat and nowhere near as bad of a slog as i expected. it's pretty tightly designed.
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I was able to figure out how to build a PC from parts when I was 12 ~two decades ago before Newegg even existed so it's not completely idiot-proof but it's pretty drat close You do have to do more than just buy the most expensive components you can find, jesus christ why would you ever make that your approach to anything, "I bought the most expensive saws and saw blades that the hardware store carried, I've got the fanciest table saws, miter saws, etc but they make the worst hammers ever what a loving scam" QuarkJets fucked around with this message at 06:44 on Dec 18, 2018 |
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food court bailiff posted:unpopular opinion: the poison swamp woods area of dark souls 3 was neat and nowhere near as bad of a slog as i expected. it's pretty tightly designed. whoa wait is that really an unpopular opinion? I thought that place was fuckin' rad, it had those sweet darkwraiths and the giant monster crabs and one of the coolest and best boss fights in the whole series
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Building a PC seems cool and good if that's your thing, but it cracks me up how much PC gamers are always telling people to do it. Like 99% of the population has literally zero interest in doing that poo poo.food court bailiff posted:unpopular opinion: the poison swamp woods area of dark souls 3 was neat and nowhere near as bad of a slog as i expected. it's pretty tightly designed. Mine is that virtually everything in Dark Souls 3 is great and it's the best Dark Souls game by a mile.
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It's a bit like people who can't cook. And I don't mean some fancy sous chef poo poo, just most basic of basic dishes. It's still their choice but you should freely dunk on them. Putting a computer together isn't like wiring your house or building all your furniture by hand. It's more like frying some eggs or a burger patty.
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