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HEY GUNS posted:those interpretations are cask-strength wedgewood, and peter wilson and i have dedicated our lives to saying she was wrong Feel like expanding on this statement?
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Arban posted:Feel like expanding on this statement? Historians have pretty much accepted that it wasn't called the Thirty Years War till after.
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Edgar Allen Ho posted:Historians have pretty much accepted that it wasn't called the Thirty Years War till after. That part seemed pretty obviously a joke.
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Arban posted:Feel like expanding on this statement? the argument that the 1640s was characterized by "shattered remnants of armies" that moved around "purposelessly" in a "lawless" situation is entirely wrong. there were few resources in the 40s, yes. this is indeed why armies got smaller--much smaller. but these little armies weren't "shattered," they were highly adapted to their environment (and might have been able to continue operating indefinitely if the war hadn't ended and they weren't disbanded in '51). their movements weren't purposeless; instead they exchanged information back and forth with their heads of state frequently, and reacted to directions from home base. And they weren't lawless--the military legal system was highly developed and continued to function, except in the army of Brandenburg. HEY GUNS fucked around with this message at 21:50 on Dec 18, 2018 |
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Xiahou Dun posted:That part seemed pretty obviously a joke. What?
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Thank you. I wasn't sure exactly who and what the original comment applied to.
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HEY GUNS posted:the line that the armies entered the war shouting "santa maria!" and exited it shouting "viva espana!" is a direct quote from wedgewood. her argument was that the 30yw was not only the last great religious war but also inaugurated modern nation-states and national armies. this was a tenacious belief, but imo the complex of relationships that we call a "state" took a very long time to develop and involved a lot more private military enterprise than we used to think. What happened with the Brandenburger army?
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Hogge Wild posted:What happened with the Brandenburger army?
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bewbies posted:Was this erected by latent republicans in order to intimidate royalists? Royalists actually put up a bust of Charles I on Westminster Abbey opposite staring him down. Tias posted:I meant to also quote the part about the genocide against the Irish, though. Yeah, I broadly agree with that. But the Stuarts were pretty much exactly as brutal to the Irish right up until it suited Charles I to use Irish troops. And the Tudors before them. James VI of Scotland (later James I of England) actually copied English policies in his own pacification of the Western Isles. The Gentleman Adventurers of Fife is the most dashing name anyone ever gave to a government-ordered genocide.
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How come the English language doesn’t have a word dedicated to the act of being thrown out a window?
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I feel like defenestrated works fine. I kicked him vs. I was kicked I defenestrated him vs. I was defenestrated. E: I'm kind of intrigued now because I can't think of any english verb that specifically refers to having something done to you. Or even how to express the concept of that without just that there tense change. Edgar Allen Ho fucked around with this message at 23:23 on Dec 18, 2018 |
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:How come the English language doesn’t have a word dedicated to the act of being thrown out a window? Out-windowing, as in The folk out-windowed the great king's go-betweens Dumped the churls down, into the dungheap Wailing their woes, and the war was started
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Speaking of the origins of nationalism, what's the thread take on Imagined Communities by Benedict Anderson?
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any good book or podcast recommendation for the boxer rebellion?
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The best defenestration is a good offenestration. 
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CMS posted:Speaking of the origins of nationalism, what's the thread take on Imagined Communities by Benedict Anderson? i liked the book.
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Mr Enderby posted:Out-windowing, as in Frantisek's son, murderous man-killer, fated to gently caress up that inflicted woes without number on the Bohemians and sent countless good souls out the window HEY GUNS fucked around with this message at 17:10 on Jan 4, 2019 |
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Neophyte posted:The best defenestration is a good offenestration.
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Neophyte posted:The best defenestration is a good offenestration. But defenestration wins championships
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chitoryu12 posted:I live in a decent suburb less than a mile from the urban sprawl that extends outward from Orlando. Multiple times I've had bears going through my trash and we recently had coyote and bobcat sightings in the neighborhood next door almost simultaneously. Even before you get into any risk of crime, there's a very good case for carrying a gun when taking out the trash at night in a normal suburb. This is from last month but I can't not comment on this. I've lived in a dozen different states and at least twice as many different suburbs and not once have I seen a bear going through my trash can. You do not live in a normal suburb. I've had pets eaten by coyote, but have yet to meet one I couldn't scare off with a thrown rock or two. Nor have I ever even heard them while living in a suburb. LLSix fucked around with this message at 05:50 on Dec 19, 2018 |
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Lmao at needing a gun at any american suburb.
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ughhhh posted:any good book or podcast recommendation for the boxer rebellion? History in Three Keys: The Boxers as Event, Experience, and Myth is a good book that also has a lot of great meta commentary on the history of the history. E: Either Amazon has a long memory or my undergrad history department is single-handedly skewing the algorithm. The first two hits on 'Customers who bought this item also bought' are the textbook for the Intro Modern Middle East and a text set for 300-Indigenous Peoples of Mexico class. the JJ fucked around with this message at 10:05 on Dec 19, 2018 |
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Mr Enderby posted:Royalists actually put up a bust of Charles I on Westminster Abbey opposite staring him down. ..aannd this is where I realize I know absolutely nothing about the history of the isles. Can you recommend a good introductory piece, preferably in podcast form? I've been trying to get into Rex Factor, but I think it deals mostly with early kings and I'm too busy with Saga thing as it is.
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LLSix posted:This is from last month but I can't not comment on this. I've lived in a dozen different states and at least twice as many different suburbs and not once have I seen a bear going through my trash can. You do not live in a normal suburb. Florida.
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howe_sam posted:But defenestration wins championships For some reason I'm now thinking of Cadorna as one of those tough guy NFL coaches who never goes better than 8-8 but inexplicably keeps getting hired
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chitoryu12 posted:Florida. we are still not as  as the guy whose roommates fried squirrels in college
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ChubbyChecker posted:How is his Irish genocide covered? And other genocides caused by the British? from when I was a kid? they were not. We briefly covered the potato famine as just a freak act of god that happened to kill thousands of people nobody could have predicted or done anything about, though! (Given how many times people will say "WHY AREN'T THE INDIANS MORE GRATEFUL FOR TRAINS" and other dumbass imperial legacy poo poo, I think my experience wasn't unusual)
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Tias posted:..aannd this is where I realize I know absolutely nothing about the history of the isles. About the Western Isles specifically? Sadly not, and I'd be pretty interested to know of such a work myself.
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Tias posted:Saga thing Excellent choice.
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spectralent posted:from when I was a kid? they were not. I vaguely remember being taught stuff like "Ireland was still exporting food during the famine and maybe the British government could have done better" but it was definitely taught as more of an Act of God + technical failure than any systemic thing We definitely didn't get taught about the Bengal famine and I dont remember anything about Cromwell in Ireland either
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LLSix posted:This is from last month but I can't not comment on this. I've lived in a dozen different states and at least twice as many different suburbs and not once have I seen a bear going through my trash can. You do not live in a normal suburb. Round these parts its not the Coyotes you have to worry about... its the loving coywolves. Yes. Coywolves. They intelligent, large, strong, grumpy and most importantly not afraid of you or rocks... 
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EvilMerlin posted:Round these parts its not the Coyotes you have to worry about... its the loving coywolves. Yes. Coywolves. I've read about these in academic literature but goddamn if i saw that thing in real life, i'd be scared as poo poo. It just looks wrong and unsettling with the head seemingly too small for that body.
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Zhanism posted:I've read about these in academic literature but goddamn if i saw that thing in real life, i'd be scared as poo poo. It just looks wrong and unsettling with the head seemingly too small for that body. They are... interesting... I've seen them close on foot. They are curious, but cautious. I am usually walking 2 dogs (of the three) at a time, two of which are about the same size as the coywolves around here (Sawyer and Tessa are both well over 60 lbs, and Sawyer will push 100lbs in the winters), so they don't come TOO close when we are out. But once in the house they will wander, sniff and mark where the our dogs have marked. They also are smart enough to open snap lids on trash and garbage bins. At night, they will be along the woodline just before it hits the lawn. They DO form packs when eating, unlike Coyotes... but usually around here, they are seen only as a single animal. The genetic make up in our area has been mostly stable at 60% western coyote, 30% eastern wolf, and 10% domestic dog.
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GotLag posted:If they're not afraid why are you calling them coy wolves?
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currently reading this and it's like patrick o'brien with ipads. if you're into detailed naval spergery and the drama of human interaction, check it out https://www.amazon.co.uk/Into-Raging-Sea-Thirty-Three-Megastorm/dp/0062699709 comeing from someone who knows a bit about spain's shipping in the atlantic during the 16th and 17th centuries, some things have not changed HEY GUNS fucked around with this message at 18:37 on Dec 20, 2018 |
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spectralent posted:from when I was a kid? they were not. Lets see what we were taught in school from my shady rear end recollection: Flash back to ye olde 2001-04 with the basic and GCSE History lessons I was taught by state curriculum: Subjects in vague order, with modules that essentially laid out the most basic facts and how things unfolded depending on the subject/events of said subject: Pre-GCSE 12-14 years old 'well we got to teach them SOMETHING' The social politics of the Tudors. Native Americans and the genocide around them. A brief run through of the Civil War era focused on the politics of Parliament of the time. Victorian Industrial and Agricultural revolution. GCSE: 'So you give a vague poo poo about history huh?' The build up to the 1st World War. Treaty of Versailles and hilariously brief inter war module. Rise of Nazi Germany. Early 2nd World Wall/Fall of Europe. And uh, that is it.
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GotLag posted:If they're not afraid why are you calling them coy wolves? Someplace, somewhere, a snare drum and cymbals are making a noise or two...
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I think we spent maybe 5 minutes learning about Cromwell in American public school (pre-university) but I visited Ireland this year and certainly got A Perspective (an earned one to be sure)
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