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https://twitter.com/GabySchneider16/status/1074354130997706759?s=19 ... quite a few, actually e: upon closer inspection, the afd logo is a penis in this image. I really need internet on a non-phone again soon Smirr fucked around with this message at 21:03 on Dec 18, 2018 |
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Das arme Mädchen weiß nicht mal, dass sie in einer lesbischen Beziehung ist.
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Healbot posted:Das arme Mädchen weiß nicht mal, dass sie in einer lesbischen Beziehung ist. inb4 lesbians aren't really homo 
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Homosexuality hasn't really been an obstacle to being part of the far right for quite some time now. I'm not entirely sure since when and it lagged behind mainstream society's acceptance of queer people. But the far right using "concern" for the rights of gay people as a tool to push anti-Islam talking points has been a noticeable propaganda strategy since at least the early 2000s.
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Randler posted:Homosexuality hasn't really been an obstacle to being part of the far right for quite some time now. I'm not entirely sure since when and it lagged behind mainstream society's acceptance of queer people. But the far right using "concern" for the rights of gay people as a tool to push anti-Islam talking points has been a noticeable propaganda strategy since at least the early 2000s.
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Randler posted:Homosexuality hasn't really been an obstacle to being part of the far right for quite some time now. I'm not entirely sure since when and it lagged behind mainstream society's acceptance of queer people. But the far right using "concern" for the rights of gay people as a tool to push anti-Islam talking points has been a noticeable propaganda strategy since at least the early 2000s. Röhm aside, at least since Jörg Haider and his Buberlpartie, where everyone knew about his gay bar life outside his family. They just aren't allowed to be flaming, but as passing and conforming as possible.
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Wow, so apparently a SPIEGEL journalist faked his stories and nobody noticed until now: http://www.spiegel.de/kultur/gesellschaft/fall-claas-relotius-spiegel-legt-betrug-im-eigenen-haus-offen-a-1244579.html Also here’s how - by comparison - the New Yorker handles fact checking: https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2018/10/15/daniel-radcliffe-and-the-art-of-the-fact-check
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Zwille posted:Wow, so apparently a SPIEGEL journalist faked his stories and nobody noticed until now: That's things like "as they tell me the tragic story of the loss of their child, I focus on the antiquated pattern of the sofa they're sitting on, dust dampening the once-vibrant colors. The radio in the background shifts to commercial, it's advertising pregnancy tests". And I get that they add this stuff to set a scene, a mood, to make it more interesting to read and less just dry facts, but it always seems a little too convenient, too poetic. Even if it's just nitpicking (the sofa might in fact be dirty, but maybe the wallpaper is super garish so the full scene might look a lot less dreary than you'd think from reading it?) or a might have happened scenario (maybe the writer heard the commercial play...in his car on the way to the interview, so if he was earlier, it could have come at the right time to be powerfully ironic!), it's still...wrong. This doesn't need to devalue the actual facts they report on, and I'm sure 99% of SPIEGEL articles are written with the highest standards of journalistic ethic. But I, personally, are always taken out of a powerful story by these details because there's a nagging doubt in my mind that it's not just added for emphasis, and now having proof that at least in one case, the story itself was also added for emphasis, won't help that.
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Simply Simon posted:The amount of invented stuff (like, everything basically) is staggering in this particular case, but I always was a bit iffy on the general style of SPIEGEL articles. Yep, I often felt the accompanying anecdotes are often too convenient to be true, e.g. writing about some mundane issue and then of course they always know a person affected and know all the oddly specific details. But I am sure it's just their high investigative standards and not just some stressed journalists making poo poo up before the deadline.
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Simply Simon posted:This doesn't need to devalue the actual facts they report on, and I'm sure 99% of SPIEGEL articles are written with the highest standards of journalistic ethic. But I, personally, are always taken out of a powerful story by these details because there's a nagging doubt in my mind that it's not just added for emphasis, and now having proof that at least in one case, the story itself was also added for emphasis, won't help that. Welsh Rarebitch posted:Yep, I often felt the accompanying anecdotes are often too convenient to be true, e.g. writing about some mundane issue and then of course they always know a person affected and know all the oddly specific details. But I am sure it's just their high investigative standards and not just some stressed journalists making poo poo up before the deadline. "Welcome to 1957, meine Herren." 
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Welsh Rarebitch posted:Yep, I often felt the accompanying anecdotes are often too convenient to be true, e.g. writing about some mundane issue and then of course they always know a person affected and know all the oddly specific details. But I am sure it's just their high investigative standards and not just some stressed journalists making poo poo up before the deadline. I always assumed those little example stories are made up, or at least heavily edited to combine impressions and stories from multiple real people. It's not even a lie, just a rhetorical device.
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lol at the headline of one of the articles in questionquote:"Bei Gott, ich hätte das nie schreiben dürfen" True, true  e: The Good Duck Panels account is the sole good thing on twitter https://twitter.com/GoodDuckPanels/status/1075399077150507008 System Metternich fucked around with this message at 19:56 on Dec 19, 2018 |
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This Relotius story is incredible, the Spiegel article on it is very good (except for the fact that they used the word “getürkt” in the first version lmao). I wonder what kind of mental illness the dude has.
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I know this is supposed to be uplifting and inspiring, but my current view of global political matters makes this poo poo traurig als fick https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4UfpkRFPIJk
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Have you considered being less pessimistisch?
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Duzzy Funlop posted:I know this is supposed to be uplifting and inspiring, but my current view of global political matters makes this poo poo traurig als fick Turn that sadness into anger and action. I don't think the video is supposed to be uplifting and inspiring at all; it's meant just as much to be a challenge to the rest of us who don't have the outsider perspective of someone who has seen the world from space as much as it is to be an apology to the next generations. Yes, it's very sad. But that's the point.
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Life in Germany has been good in 2018 so far. Cheer up.
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Randler still has to meet his family for Christmas who all hate him because, wellEinbauschrank posted:While looking Update that elusive expression (s.a.) I stumbled on the critique by Enzensberger Randler is referring to. It is actually very good and should be read by all.
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Simply Simon posted:Randler still has to meet his family for Christmas who all hate him because, well Those who are alive and not in jail are actually still sending me Christmas cards asking me to answer their calls.  Please update your spreadsheet accordingly.
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Einbauschrank posted:While looking Update that elusive expression (s.a.) I stumbled on the critique by Enzensberger Randler is referring to. It is actually very good and should be read by all. Dang, that's a really good critique that in most points is still valid today
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I don't dislike you Randler, let's never talk all the time
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Am home for Christmas and watching Dieter Nuhr with my Mutter. Did he become extremely unfunny and conservative (climate change "Humor", "there aren't enough Mietwohnungen because too many Gesetze") before or after he turned into an Undead?  Thanks for the tips Randler; I keep a detailed budget spreadsheet (my boyfriend called it "the most German thing I have ever seen") and I do have a decent buffer so I feel better.
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Lunar Suite posted:Am home for Christmas and watching Dieter Nuhr with my Mutter. He's been conservative for quite some time now.
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System Metternich posted:Apparently this Qanon poo poo is making its way to us now, too Yessss finally. Someone show them the Straße des 17. Juni, please
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I want to live in the comic book world where the president's official attire is a t-shirt with their number printed on.
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Can somebody aufklär me about the latest developments of the Q-Anon narrative? Btw I read that Spiegel article with great interest. Lol at him literally projecting everything that's currently wrong with America on an innocent little town called Fergus Falls (turning it into some kind of bastion of Trumploving stupidity and hate) and the editors just rubberstamping it. Here is the detailed article about the town: http://www.spiegel.de/kultur/gesellschaft/fall-claas-relotius-us-kleinstadt-fergus-falls-vom-betrug-beim-spiegel-betroffen-a-1244806.html My fazit: This article is an especially good example why Relotius came so far: He's taking a 'real' place and upgrades it with all of the elements that we want to see there. Here it's current Amerikakritik: The town suddenly gets a weapon-loving, celibate mayor, is smitten with "American Sniper", has an entrace sign full of self-righteousness and hatred, a 'banal' or unintellectual cultural life, a high school turned fortress because of mass shooting fears - and school excursions to Trump Tower, New York. All of this never existed in the first place - at least not in Fergus Falls. Most likeley these things individually exist in various places in the US but Relotius combines them to a single image that satisfies the contemporary middle-class Amerikakritik. Fazit der Untersuchung von Spiegel: "Auf 7300 Wörtern hat er (gemeint ist Reporter Relotius, Anm. d. Redaktion) nur die Einwohnerzahl unserer Stadt und die jährliche Durchschnittstemperatur richtig wiedergegeben, und ein paar grundsätzliche Dinge wie die Namen von Geschäften und Personen des öffentlichen Lebens - Dinge, die ein Kind mit einer Google-Suche hätte herausfinden können. Der Rest ist ungehemmte Fiktion (sogar so schlampig, wie die falsche Zahl zu zitieren, dass bei der Präsidentschaftswahl Trump eine Unterstützung von 70,4 Prozent in der Stadt hatte, tatsächlich waren es 62,6 Prozent), was die Frage aufwirft, wieso der SPIEGEL überhaupt in Relotius' dreiwöchige Reise in die USA investierte, ob sie ihr Geld von ihm zurück verlangen sollten, und was für ein institutioneller Zusammenbruch dazu führte, dass das SPIEGEL-Faktenchecker-Team - vorgeblich Weltklasse - hierbei totalen Mist baute." SavageGentleman fucked around with this message at 09:28 on Dec 21, 2018 |
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Lunar Suite posted:Am home for Christmas and watching Dieter Nuhr with my Mutter. Yeah, I had the same reaction when I watched his Netflix thing a while ago. He even pulled a "pronouns, amirite?". Dude got old, and does as olds do.
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Perestroika posted:Yeah, I had the same reaction when I watched his Netflix thing a while ago. He even pulled a "pronouns, amirite?". Dude got old, and does as olds do. Oh god yeah he did a trans joke and I actually left the room in disgust; Mutter had no idea why I was mad. I guess that's just how it is. I'll try and be joyful when morality becomes incomprehensible to me; hopefully it'll mean society has surpassed me.
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Lunar Suite posted:Oh god yeah he did a trans joke and I actually left the room in disgust; Mutter had no idea why I was mad. I'm looking forward to seeing us slowly transform into gammons as we age, too
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It is not a law of nature that all old people become racist and lovely, much like it's not a guarantee that all men want to be like their father and all women will be like their mother. Old people are people too and responsible for their own choices and actions. There shouldn't be any automatic excuse like that, and even less so for someone who's job is to literally stay on top of current events and commentate on them in a funny way. I get that if you're, like, 80 and just done with it all then you might not WANT to understand what the kids these days are doing and watch the news and learn twitter and Facebook or whatever and I'd be sympathetic to you and personally excuse a lot of questionable behaviour because I have compassion with the elderly. I'd probably still argue against you when you bring your lovely uninformed opinions to the public. Nuhr is anything but elderly, he can go gently caress himself.
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SavageGentleman posted:Can somebody aufklär me about the latest developments of the Q-Anon narrative? The last thing I heard about is that something big was supposed to go down on December 5th (in the background of a Trump video you could see a bus for like a millisecond with "D5" printed on it which is irrefutable evidence, you see) but then nothing happened do. then they switched over to December 7th, and when nothing happened there too they were like "through those various fakeouts Trump forced them to play their hand too soon and now they're completely defenceless, what a genius" and whatever they think will happen is supposed to do so on Christmas Eve now iirc
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Simply Simon posted:It is not a law of nature that all old people become racist and lovely, much like it's not a guarantee that all men want to be like their father and all women will be like their mother. Old people are people too and responsible for their own choices and actions. There shouldn't be any automatic excuse like that, and even less so for someone who's job is to literally stay on top of current events and commentate on them in a funny way. You're right. In fact, personality research suggests that humans become more mellow and agreeable as they age. But it is is the case that they become more close-minded. Some of that is probably preventable, like humans becoming complacent with their own life style ("It worked for me, why do these people want it different"). But I wouldn't at all be surprised if a part of that process was inevitable. I'm sorry that I can't dig out the source because that would cost me an hour or so at work, but: reaction times get longer as humans grow older. There was one memory-related study a couple of years ago in which they found that one reason for this slowing is that humans have to basically index an ever-growing memory before making certain judgments. If you apply that to learning, it'll mean that integrating new knowledge (or attitudes) into existing knowledge (or attitudes) becomes more difficult. Maybe this can be mitigated if it is drilled into individuals to think critically, to reflect, and to expect to have to re-adjust their thinking every now and then. It would be absolutely brilliant if a generation would keep these skills until they've arrived at an age where they've accumulated economical and political privilege. But unless you actively work on it I'm afraid the default scenario is to become close-minded.
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