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selec posted:“I’ll quit next week I gotta deal with some poo poo right now” is something everyone who loves an addict has heard a hundred times. And it’s always been and always will be a lie. I can't quit because the evil nation states of china and russia would start smoking all the crack I am not smoking
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Critical posted:Two years in and the fact that our president is an absolute pants-on-head imbecile still continues to astound me. even if i lived to be a thousand i'd never be able to fully grasp it. i've posted about it before but sometimes i'll be doing the dishes or something and it'll hit me that yeah donald trump, long-time laughingstock and reality tv moron, was elected president of the united states.
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selec posted:“I’ll quit next week I gotta deal with some poo poo right now” is something everyone who loves an addict has heard a hundred times. And it’s always been and always will be a lie. Weirdly enough as someone who has dealt with addiction issues, understanding the underlying issue behind the addiction and treating that helped me way more than cold turkey quitting (god that’s an awful pun). Resolving and working on that gives me the strength to have a semi normal relationship with food - not abruptly saying “I DECLARE NOT EATING DISORDER”. However, international geopolitics does not lend itself well with a crack metaphor.
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CuddleCryptid posted:Or maybe it's people going "well we already bombed them to poo poo, we should probably try and help them rebuild for once in our lives" Do you honestly believe that's John Bolton's goal in Syria. Let's let Dylan Roof out too, now that he's shot up a black church, surely he will help them all rebuild right! VitalSigns fucked around with this message at 15:42 on Dec 20, 2018 |
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https://www.npr.org/2018/03/15/593895655/dozens-of-westerners-join-kurds-to-fight-isis-in-syria (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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DynamicSloth posted:https://twitter.com/mirandacgreen/status/1075495787050741772 i feel like im missing something because i don't really get what subpoena power has to do with this committee - i don't get why they want it, i don't get why anyone would want to avoid them having it. is there some writeup of what this dispute is really about somewhere? the bigger issue seems to be buried in that article - that technically the committee can't advance any legislation to the house floor, and that i get why it's a big deal. that seems like a much bigger deal and i'm surprised its subpoenas and not that that's getting the headlines. evilweasel fucked around with this message at 15:50 on Dec 20, 2018 |
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I really hope Russia's military comes to America and stops our genocide of the Native Americans.
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evilweasel posted:i feel like im missing something because i don't really get what subpoena power has to do with this committee - i don't get why they want it, i don't get why anyone would want to avoid them having it. is there some writeup of what this dispute is really about somewhere? Do you think that, without subpoena power, anyone from - let's say - ExxonMobil will show up? Or not lie their rear end off?
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Harik posted:The whole "wah wah wah stop supporting the foreverwar" is the dumbest possible take since what we're actually going to do by pulling out is start another one. This is 100% handing turkey a permission slip to start a war and annex some borderland and massacre them some kurds. If Turkey starts mass murdering Kurds using US weaponry then the US will stop selling them weapons. If Turkey then turns to Russia for weapons the US will remove the nuclear weapons they have installed in Turkey, which would then make Turkey overly dependent on Russia, something Erodogan would not accept.
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selec posted:Right? All this warmonger poo poo is so obviously and completely Dunning-Kruger on a large scale. Liberals who have never once seen the US not gently caress up an “intervention” (bombing poo poo for reasons) and make things worse are somehow claiming it’ll work this time. And leftists have never seen a genocide they won't cheer on because it advances their ideological goals. Who cares about human suffering when we can show our moral superiority? See I can make straw men too!
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evilweasel posted:i feel like im missing something because i don't really get what subpoena power has to do with this committee - i don't get why they want it, i don't get why anyone would want to avoid them having it. is there some writeup of what this dispute is really about somewhere? I wouldn't mind them being able to drag oil and coal lobbyists across the coals on live television tbh. And yes, the issue of them not being able to advance legislation is a huge problem and needs to be addressed asap. I recommend Y'all loving flood Pelosi's phone lines and email inboxes as well as anyone rep who will listen. Hell, even if they won't listen do it anyways. Climate Change is too loving important to sit on the sidelines.
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qkkl posted:If Turkey starts mass murdering Kurds using US weaponry then the US will stop selling them weapons. LMAO. Do you seriously believe the Trump administration cares if Erdogan puts most Kurds into camps?
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:Russia and the Turks want him to pull out and there’s nothing Trump loves to do more than to defer to dictatorial strongmen. That’s the reason. there's literally no actual proof of this other than it's what their general agenda is, but Trump has been trying to do this since he got elected
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qkkl posted:If Turkey starts mass murdering Kurds using US weaponry then the US will continue selling them weapons and praise them for being job creators for bomb-making factories.
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we've given hundreds of millions of dollars worth of free fuel so the saudis could create the largest humanitarian crisis on the planet.
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Junior G-man posted:Do you think that, without subpoena power, anyone from - let's say - ExxonMobil will show up? Or not lie their rear end off? How much of the committee plan involves hostile witnesses though, instead of experts and other people who want to say "yeah hell yes this is a good idea"? I get what you use subpoenas for, I'm just not sure I see how it fits into the notion of this green new deal select committee, but because I haven't been following it too closely I'm wondering if someone has a good link or something on it. Also, a subpoena isn't needed for the lying part - you show up to congress voluntarily and lie, that's just as illegal as if you were subpoenaed. In practice you probably won't get prosecuted as much but that's more a selection bias (if you get subpoenaed, you're a hostile witness facing a majority party that can and will do something about it, if you're there voluntarily you're usually an ally of the majority party who isn't gonna make an issue of it if they can avoid it).
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Critical posted:Two years in and the fact that our president is an absolute pants-on-head imbecile still continues to astound me. It’s weird that two years in, I’m still not used to his stupid loving face. Like you would have thought by now sheer volume of exposure would have lessened my reaction to it, but nope. Every time I see it my mind is like “deep fried bulldog with butthole lips.”
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qkkl posted:If Turkey starts mass murdering Kurds using US weaponry then the US will stop selling them weapons. If Turkey then turns to Russia for weapons the US will remove the nuclear weapons they have installed in Turkey, which would then make Turkey overly dependent on Russia, something Erodogan would not accept. uh not as long as president Deals! is president
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Last night I asked a couple of warmongers a few questions and they immediately stopped talking to me, maybe because it was late and they went to bed, maybe because they can't think past the vague platitudes that the war industry propagandizes us with and their support has more to do with making a public showing of being anti-genocide rather than actually helping anyone in the real world. Hard to say? Any of this morning's warmongers want to take a crack at it? What makes you think enabling the neocons who destroyed the region and are arming the Kurds' enemies as we speak will end up with any positive outcome for the Kurds in the first place? Even assuming John Bolton's heart grew three sizes this day, and Lindsay Graham the guy who was fine funding the Yemeni genocide until the Saudis snubbed America has magically changed into an anti-genocide humanitarian: what does victory look like. How do we stabilize the region, how long does it take, how many Turks or others do we have to kill, when do we go home so our presence doesn't inspire more 9/11's against us? If you can't answer those questions, why are you so sure that this time another war in the Middle East is a great idea unlike every other time?
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Bad Poster VitalSigns Has Logged In Pretty much what we expected, although I wonder about what they thought the optics would be. This was going to get out eventually, why the smokescreen?
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The simple equation to be is if there's going to be war in the middle east either way I'd rather not be involved.
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Groovelord Neato posted:we've given hundreds of millions of dollars worth of free fuel so the saudis could create the largest humanitarian crisis on the planet. Right so we need to give them even more, so they can help the Yemenis rebuild gotta stay the course now!
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AlBorlantern Corps posted:The simple equation to be is if we're going to start a war in the middle east either way I'd rather we not be involved. FTFY
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God Trump has got to be one of the worst leaders in terms of how bad they are at international affairs
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axeil posted:And leftists have never seen a genocide they won't cheer on because it advances their ideological goals. Who cares about human suffering when we can show our moral superiority? The difference is that you can't find me actual meaningful examples of leftists cheering on genocide, but I can find you examples, right in this thread, in the last 12 hours, of liberals who are cheering on military intervention despite never having seen a successful humanitarian intervention of the kind they imagine in their entire lives. It's something that doesn't even exist, IMHO. Yet somehow you are here, mouthing the same platitudes about humanitarian reasons that we gave for going into Korea, into Vietnam, into Grenada, and into the Middle East. We have heard this song and dance before, and everybody's tired of it except you, and knows it's a scam except you. And we don't get it: how do you keep getting scammed like this and not see it? How do you keep getting told "No, no, it's because of [South Vietnamese democratic government/students in Grenada/Manuel Noriega is a cocaine dealer/Babies ripped from incubators/whatever the grift excuse is this time] and you're sitting acting like we're the crazy ones? Do you not see that? How do you think you or anybody has the loving credibility, and where the gently caress do you grow your hyperdeveloped credulity? What makes you think, given the enormous pile of evidence of modern history that US interventions are not humanitarian and never have been and simply, constitutionally cannot be under the current state of the military-industrial complex, that you have it figured out? Which is more likely, that this one time is going to be different, or that it's going to be the same as all the other times, in which we are a huge bumbling clumsy violent oaf of a nation making things worse? What makes you think you or the people pleading for more bombs and more military action have any loving credibility whatsoever? You sound like a guy trying to sell me speakers in a Wal-Mart parking lot at this point. selec fucked around with this message at 16:03 on Dec 20, 2018 |
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yes I'm hearing from a sr defense official, it turns out our eternal wars are actually good and cool and if we ever stop any of them the world will end? Shocking news, can't wait to report this on Fox News. (Jennifer Griffin is a loving fraud cool source)
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VitalSigns posted:Even assuming John Bolton's heart grew three sizes this day, and Lindsay Graham the guy who was fine funding the Yemeni genocide until the Saudis snubbed America has magically changed into an anti-genocide humanitarian: what does victory look like. How do we stabilize the region, how long does it take, how many Turks or others do we have to kill, when do we go home so our presence doesn't inspire more 9/11's against us? as i understand it the general "ask" is that the troops remain in place essentially as peacekeepers to keep the kurds safe - the goal is not to have them shooting people but that whatever nonsense erdogan is spouting on phone calls to trump, no country is actually interested in getting into a shooting war with american troops. basically, as long as american forces are sitting next to kurdish troops it becomes a much dicier preposition to start a new shooting war. victory in this case would be the various parties sitting down and negotiating a solution, largely without us involvement, while the us forces are sitting there so that people feel the need to negotiate instead of try to fight. the fighting is largely over - ISIS has lost its territorial control - but the concern is that turkey and assad are about to start a new round of fighting.
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CuddleCryptid posted:Bad Poster VitalSigns Has Logged In Notice how the warmongers have no actual answers to direct questions like "what is your plan" or "how will this war turn out well", because thinking about that isn't the point. Just patting themselves on the back for being vaguely "anti-genocide", no thought given to the actual material results of their impulse to Do Something on the regions they will destroy if they get their way.
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evilweasel posted:as i understand it the general "ask" is that the troops remain in place essentially as peacekeepers to keep the kurds safe Oh, then they should be removed because they suck at their job. Turkey and others have already slaughtered towns' entire Kurdish populations and we just went 'aw beans that was v. rude of you sirs'. So, either we're gonna start shooting turks or it's time to stop pretending our military gives a poo poo about Kurds.
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I think the intervention against Milosevic was pretty successful but that's about the only one.
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evilweasel posted:as i understand it the general "ask" is that the troops remain in place essentially as peacekeepers to keep the kurds safe - the goal is not to have them shooting people but that whatever nonsense erdogan is spouting on phone calls to trump, no country is actually interested in getting into a shooting war with american troops. basically, as long as american forces are sitting next to kurdish troops it becomes a much dicier preposition to start a new shooting war. So a never-ending occupation, hope that a centuries-old ethnic conflict ends on its own because liberal interventionists huffed their own farts enough, and the resentment against US occupation doesn't cause another insurgency. Welp it worked in Iraq!
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Surely if we let just a few more genocides slip by our military command will understand the power of non interventionism! 
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the bombing in the kosovo intervention killed several hundred civilians including a lot of kosovars. a proper humanitarian intervention requires boots on the ground (to protect victimized groups) not bombing.quote:Almost half of the incidents (forty-three) resulted from attacks during daylight hours, when civilians could have been expected to be on the roads and bridges or in public buildings which may have been targeted. Overall, forty incidents occurred in April, forty-five occurred in May, four in June, and one in March. May 29 saw the most incidents (with five), followed by four on April 14, May 30, and May 31. The pace of the air war peaked at the end of May. https://www.hrw.org/reports/2000/nato/Natbm200.htm#P88_14845 Groovelord Neato fucked around with this message at 16:08 on Dec 20, 2018 |
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sexpig by night posted:Oh, then they should be removed because they suck at their job. Turkey and others have already slaughtered towns' entire Kurdish populations and we just went 'aw beans that was v. rude of you sirs'. So, either we're gonna start shooting turks or it's time to stop pretending our military gives a poo poo about Kurds. Yeah seriously, notice how the same people scream that Erdogan was massacred all these Kurdish villages but then also insist that the US presence is somehow deterring this.
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