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Ague Proof posted:I wonder what Warmbier's chud family felt when Trump said he was in love with Kim Jong Un. Same thing the soybean farmers did. "Well, he's betrayed us and everything we believe in, but we gotta take one for the team to MAGA!"
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pseudanonymous posted:How is handing a propaganda victory and legitimizing the Kim regime in return for nothing a "good move"? because governments don't actually need a US stamp to become 'legitimate' and the idea that somehow there's a difference between him putting dissidents in death camps and (insert like half our allies here) doing it is pretty absurd. Like, do you think before we 'legitimized' the Literal Kim Dynasty In North Korea they were somehow seen as a false government by their people?
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Ralepozozaxe posted:I am riding a plane by myself for the first time Christmas Eve night so I hope that they handle the infant, as even if it is open, I don't want to deal with unhappy TSA. If it makes you feel any better this has become so common (the threat of shut downs) that most of the agencies have money put aside so they can keep running and pay their employees. Anywhere from a few days to a few weeks - it really depends on how much they have squirreled away. On a side note, bring some good headphones and reading materials and the flight will be a breeze!
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Gnumonic posted:It's horrifying to me that a substantial portion of this thread seems to believe that a genocide or massacre of the Kurds is perfectly OK because we know a priori and with certainty that any US military action (even the presence of advisers who exist solely to deter a massacre) would have worse consequences. It's possible to believe that 1) US interventionism over the past 30-40 years has generally had negative consequences, 2) that we're more or less responsible for how bad things are now, and that 3) immediately abandoning our allies and allowing them to be murdered is STILL A BAD THING that is in fact worse than the alternatives. bad news, friend. the choices are withdraw everything now, or continue fighting the war until our goals (1. ???, 2. give sales demonstration for Raytheon) are met. a state of affairs which, typically, gets truncated to Forever War. how's afghanistan going, by the by.
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Agent Burt Macklin posted:If it makes you feel any better this has become so common (the threat of shut downs) that most of the agencies have money put aside so they can keep running and pay their employees. Anywhere from a few days to a few weeks - it really depends on how much they have squirreled away. Once again the pragmatist staff cover for the goober elected.
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sexpig by night posted:because governments don't actually need a US stamp to become 'legitimate' and the idea that somehow there's a difference between him putting dissidents in death camps and (insert like half our allies here) doing it is pretty absurd. Like, do you think before we 'legitimized' the Literal Kim Dynasty In North Korea they were somehow seen as a false government by their people? It really shows how out of touch liberals are with the rest of the country. Rust belt whites don't give a poo poo about woke foreign policy and 1000 special forces deployments overseas. In the past, democrats offered those people union jobs to manufacture the endless supply of bombs and other supplies needed to fuel the wars, but now that we can do drone strikes and rapid deployments all over the world that bribe has been cut off in the name of "fiscal responsibility."
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Dec 20, 2018 17:05
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sexpig by night posted:Trump's insane obsession with DEALS DEALS DEALS actually can help in some foriegn policy things. If he's genuinely willing to fight his own party he can probably spin 'actually we won the war is over goodbye' into a message his base will accept for Afghanistan/Iraq too (though he'll wait for 2020 for that, Syria is testing things out). do...do you think that previous administrations refused to talk to north korea? like, do you seriously think that nobody before trump had the idea of trying to talk to north korea, it took his unparalleled brilliance to come up with that idea?
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Dec 20, 2018 17:06
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evilweasel posted:do...do you think that previous administrations refused to talk to north korea? like, do you seriously think that nobody before trump had the idea of trying to talk to north korea, it took his unparalleled brilliance to come up with that idea? No but you wouldn't be able to tell that from the media having a group meltdown over our two big wet boys having a photo-op.
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Dec 20, 2018 17:07
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maybe they were mainly mad that trump refused to do the traditional macarena with a Kim
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evilweasel posted:do...do you think that previous administrations refused to talk to north korea? like, do you seriously think that nobody before trump had the idea of trying to talk to north korea, it took his unparalleled brilliance to come up with that idea? it is so goddamned cute watching them go from HOW DARE TRUMP ACKNOWLEDGE THE KIM REGIME to 'well of course we always acknowledged the kim regime' in a split second
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FizFashizzle posted:Imagine being Nancy Pelosi right now. Her Typhoon augment hasn't been completed yet.
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reminder: they literally can't get a whole bunch of reps to vote because once they lost their election they didn't have a place to stay in DC (no offices anymore) so they're not present for votes
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Yeowch!!! My Balls!!! posted:it is so goddamned cute watching them go from HOW DARE TRUMP ACKNOWLEDGE THE KIM REGIME to 'well of course we always acknowledged the kim regime' in a split second Sir, SIR, the PROPER procedure is to send the nation's top diplomat to do a cute dance with the head of North Korea and his military advisers. By standing awkwardly for a picture with him yourself you have done a treason and are now under arrest.
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sexpig by night posted:Trump's insane obsession with DEALS DEALS DEALS actually can help in some foriegn policy things. If he's genuinely willing to fight his own party he can probably spin 'actually we won the war is over goodbye' into a message his base will accept for Afghanistan/Iraq too (though he'll wait for 2020 for that, Syria is testing things out). North Korea talks have gone exactly loving nowhere, and NK used them as a political stunt How was that a "good move?"
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sexpig by night posted:No but you wouldn't be able to tell that from the media having a group meltdown over our two big wet boys having a photo-op. so you know that when you're praising trump for his brilliance in talking to north korea and how that was some massive breakthrough it's nonsense. what in god's name was your point then? so we had previous administrations that did not get anything done with north korea and...we have trump who got nothing done with north korea, but gave them things they wanted in exchange for nothing. here is a quiz: north korea consistently wanted direct talks with the united states. the united states always insisted on including south korea and china. south korea, the reason is sort of obvious. china, the answer is not obvious, and it's why trump made a massive fuckup. why has the united states insisted on including china in the talks, and why was failing to include china in the talks such a fuckup? if you don't know the answer to this you really shouldn't be spouting off on how brilliant his negotiations with north korea were
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sexpig by night posted:No but you wouldn't be able to tell that from the media having a group meltdown over our two big wet boys having a photo-op. Talking to Kim with no preconditions was and still is a terrible, terrible idea. The North Koreans have repeatedly shown that they, like Trump, do not negotiate in good faith. Other Presidents have been smart enough to know that. Trump was not. Maybe the media framing was lovely, but the overarching message was still valid. Party Plane Jones posted:reminder: they literally can't get a whole bunch of reps to vote because once they lost their election they didn't have a place to stay in DC (no offices anymore) so they're not present for votes This is absolutely incredible. How many people is the Republican caucus in the House down right now?
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sexpig by night posted:Sir, SIR, the PROPER procedure is to send the nation's top diplomat to do a cute dance with the head of North Korea and his military advisers. By standing awkwardly for a picture with him yourself you have done a treason and are now under arrest. Don’t forget saluting NK generals for some reason.
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Fritz Coldcockin posted:Talking to Kim with no preconditions was and still is a terrible, terrible idea. The North Koreans have repeatedly shown that they, like Trump, do not negotiate in good faith. Other Presidents have been smart enough to know that. Trump was not. Maybe the media framing was lovely, but the overarching message was still valid. Well, every GOP rep that retired no longer has an office, which was a bunch of them. Every rep that lost reelection doesn't, either. Some Dems didn't stick around for the next congress, but it's way way more than that. So they're relying on these reps sticking around Washington voluntarily at Christmas as their last act as representatives to make Trump happy.
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:What the gently caress point is sexpig even arguing anymore? That America has always been governed by Trump, and always will be governed by Trump. Trumps all the way down and all the way up.
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CascadeBeta posted:Could you even imagine if Trump's first veto is on a CR from his congress? I don't think, ultimately, that he has the balls to veto, as funny as it is to think about it.
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:What the gently caress point is sexpig even arguing anymore? he actually thought nobody had thought of talking to north korea before and has had to beat a hasty retreat into nonsense by squirting up as many buzzwords as possible and hoping those will attract fellow idiots to leap in with additional chaff
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Sarcastr0 posted:That America has always been governed by Trump, and always will be governed by Trump. Trumps all the way down and all the way up. I mean in the grand sense more or less. Our ruling class has always been stupid wealthy assholes who's main agenda is to enrich themselves, it's just Trump is the most vulgar version of it so it's easier to point at and go 'hey this seems wrong'
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evilweasel posted:he actually thought nobody had thought of talking to north korea before and has had to beat a hasty retreat into nonsense by squirting up as many buzzwords as possible and hoping those will attract fellow idiots to leap in with additional chaff you are medical
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lmao do it https://twitter.com/JesseRodriguez/status/1075787676371046400
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the reality, which is much too complex for sexpig to understand, is that the united states has realized that north korea isn't exactly reliable when it comes to deals with the united states; but because they depend on chinese support they will keep a deal with china because they cannot afford to insult china. so if you want to do a deal with north korea, it has to also be a deal with china. if you do a deal any other way, like president smoothbrains did, you're writing the deal on water. why everyone mocked trump for his diplomacy with north korea was because anyone with even a passing familiarity with north korea knew he was loving it up and his diplomacy would produce precisely nothing. lo and behold, it did.
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Dec 20, 2018 17:21
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He'll cave. He always does, because that's what cowards with no real principles do. NOTE: Not saying they're good principles.
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:What the gently caress point is sexpig even arguing anymore? we're gonna break this down for you real slow. fair warning the first one may cause you some pain. don't worry, the second one will make you feel comfortable again. 1. sometimes, the things the united states does... are bad. 2. donald trump is bad, at what he does. 3. sometimes, someone who is bad, at doing bad things, inadvertently does something that is a net good, in that it makes doing more bad things harder. as an example, consider the time that donald trump stopped the infantile game of "notarealcountrysayswhat" we've been playing with north korea ever since we lost a war to them
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The Dems should requisition a trip to a junkyard to buy up all of their scrap metal and dump it all on the White House lawn and say he can build the Wall now.
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it is worth pointing out of course that north korea might be a more reliable negotiating partner today had bush II not shredded the agreements they reached with Clinton, but that was close to two decades ago and we can't exactly go back and change that bit of history, much as we might like being able to do so
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Honestly a little shocked he actually remembers the Omnibus Bill. I figure he only remembers things that make him look good or things that REALLY piss him off, so I guess he must've hated it even more than we realized, lol
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evilweasel posted:the reality, which is much too complex for sexpig to understand, is that the united states has realized that north korea isn't exactly reliable when it comes to deals with the united states; but because they depend on chinese support they will keep a deal with china because they cannot afford to insult china. so if you want to do a deal with north korea, it has to also be a deal with china. if you do a deal any other way, like president smoothbrains did, you're writing the deal on water. I'm just in general a huge fan of how you took 'he wasn't wrong to do a dumb press event with NK to help SK move negotiations forward and the media flipping out about it was dumb' to mean 'ACTUALLY I LOVE MR TRUMP HE'S SO SMART' I do love the whiplash between 'actually the SDA want us there so we can never leave Syria' and an example of SK actually literally asking for support in diplomacy being treated as a huge blunder. I guess 'but they WANTED us there' only applies to when we're blowing people up and not meaningless photo-ops
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evilweasel posted:it is worth pointing out of course that north korea might be a more reliable negotiating partner today had bush II not shredded the agreements they reached with Clinton, but that was close to two decades ago and we can't exactly go back and change that bit of history, much as we might like being able to do so nah you shouldn't bring that part up, their entire argument is based on pretending Donald Trump is brilliantly bucking the foreign policy of both parties
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FizFashizzle posted:Imagine being Nancy Pelosi right now. AC/DC music is accompanying her wherever she goes now, and no one knows where it’s coming from.
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Fritz Coldcockin posted:He'll cave. He always does, because that's what cowards with no real principles do. I think he understands he can’t. He’s backed himself into a corner and there’s really no way for him to come out of this without a shut down.
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