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Laterite posted:Bar Association is a straight up pro-union episode, like it doesn't even do a "both sides" thing; unions are good and the FCA is a bunch of jerks. Doubtful we'll ever see something like that again.
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Laterite posted:Bar Association is a straight up pro-union episode, like it doesn't even do a "both sides" thing; unions are good and the FCA is a bunch of jerks. Doubtful we'll ever see something like that again. It's outright marxist. It owns. Both sides is southpark bullshit.
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South park is worse because it instead presents the worst of both sides in a "See, it's all bad, so just be a libertarian like us"
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Dec 21, 2018 01:12
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AlBorlantern Corps posted:Picard: Our next guest claims to be a sentient hologram, having just returned from the Delta quadrant. We have our own experiences with sentient holograms, don't we Mr Data? CPColin posted:"What we got back was perfectly healthy and lived for a long time." Sir Lemming posted:Imagine there's no Sto'Vo'Kor, it's easy if you try All of these posts were very good and I enjoyed them greatly.
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Dec 21, 2018 01:41
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Nullsmack posted:I'm not super optimistic considering the last time we saw the TNG era it was fat Riker party crashing the Enterprise finale. No good reason why TNG2 couldn't be animated.
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Dec 21, 2018 01:59
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Pakled posted:Lwaxana is handled so much better in DS9 than TNG sad but true statement right here.
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Dec 21, 2018 02:02
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Baronjutter posted:It's outright marxist. It owns. Both sides is southpark bullshit. Actually they are Marxist now. Maybe. Who knows.
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Big Mean Jerk posted:Ira Behr posted another update today with a new HD DS9 clip: The perfect clip. Nessus posted:What's extra funny is that at the time I think Armin Shimmerman was the SAG union president. Well one of the reasons it's probably so unusually pro-union for an American production is that TV/movie production is one of the last great bastions of unions left in America.
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That clip is always fantastic but it’s just not the same without the music
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Y'know, I like Discovery okay, but raise an issue about society, agonize about it, then have your characters make a decision, right or wrong, then sit them across from one-another and have them wonder if they did the right thing. that's Star Trek. Discovery is more interested in saying "Hey! Nerd! Remember Spock?!"
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Dec 21, 2018 09:14
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A technical question for people who know TV and poo poo: how the gently caress do you actually upgrade a clip to HD? How does that happen?
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Dec 21, 2018 09:18
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Pull the film out of the archives and scan it in an HD scanner. All treks were filmed on film masters until they went digital, they were just edited and had the effects done in SD.
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Dec 21, 2018 10:03
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The amount of money it cost to remaster all of TNG into HD is loving impossible, if I can get a little hyperbolic. It's a miracle it ever happened.
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Dec 21, 2018 10:10
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And since CBS overpriced the TNG blus and barely sold any, we’ll never get a DS9 HD release. Even Voyager, a far more popular (among general audiences) show, has just about zero chance of ever seeing an HD release.
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LividLiquid posted:Y'know, I like Discovery okay, but raise an issue about society, agonize about it, then have your characters make a decision, right or wrong, then sit them across from one-another and have them wonder if they did the right thing. that's Star Trek. Also "it's okay to commit war crimes as long as the other guys are cartoonishly superbad".
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Big Mean Jerk posted:And since CBS overpriced the TNG blus and barely sold any, we’ll never get a DS9 HD release. Even Voyager, a far more popular (among general audiences) show, has just about zero chance of ever seeing an HD release. The even bigger issue was that they gave the HD versions away on Netflix/Prime as well as overpricing the blu-rays. They're just clueless.
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I'll bring it up once again. CBS has their own digital streaming service now and they're apparently very hot for Star Trek at the moment. If they can't figure out how to fund the remasters fully and then some by an exclusive window on All-Access, they don't deserve to be in business. A few remaster episode releases a month is the perfect thing to bridge months of all access between new Star Trek shows and get people to keep their sub year long for multiple years. I mean poo poo, one episode a week for the 348 episodes of Deep Space 9 and Voyager would keep me subscribed to All-Access for the better part of a decade. bull3964 fucked around with this message at 14:13 on Dec 21, 2018 |
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Dec 21, 2018 14:07
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One of my tests for a good show is: can they do a good bottle episode? One or two guest stars max in standard makeup for the show, no new sets. Bottle shows when done well are how you get episodes like The Measure of a Man and Duet. Not only can I not imagine Discovery doing a good bottle episode, I can't imagine Discovery doing a bottle episode, period.
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Dec 21, 2018 14:44
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Bottle episodes in general have gone away since 13 episode seasons became popular.
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LividLiquid posted:Y'know, I like Discovery okay, but raise an issue about society, agonize about it, then have your characters make a decision, right or wrong, then sit them across from one-another and have them wonder if they did the right thing. that's Star Trek.
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The closest thing to a bottle episode that Disco had that I can remember is the Harry Mudd time loop episode, that that was pretty effects heavy too so I doubt it was much cheaper. That was a pretty good episode though, IMO.
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IShallRiseAgain posted:Bottle episodes in general have gone away since 13 episode seasons became popular. Yeah, but some of Trek's best episodes (and, to be fair, some of its worst) have been bottle episodes. My point is, I can't imagine Discovery sitting down and making a compelling episode of television with no special effects, no exotic makeup, just some compelling characters and a conundrum.
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Veotax posted:The closest thing to a bottle episode that Disco had that I can remember is the Harry Mudd time loop episode, that that was pretty effects heavy too so I doubt it was much cheaper. Aside from turning goofy Harry Mudd into a mass murdering psychopath, yeah it was.
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Cythereal posted:Not only can I not imagine Discovery doing a good bottle episode, I can't imagine Discovery doing a bottle episode, period. Would the Harry Mudd time loop one count? They don’t leave the ship.
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The Bloop posted:Aside from turning goofy Harry Mudd into a mass murdering psychopath, yeah it was. mudd.jpg He had the record to support crazy poo poo, it always seemed to me that Kirk caught him on a good day
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bull3964 posted:I'll bring it up once again. Apparently it was a massive effort to track down all of the sources of film and such to digitize for each individual episode of TNG. When it was being produced they'd do something for one episode but then the film would end up in another box because they reused it for another episode. Things were not always labelled correctly. Stuff like that. Not to mention redoing all of the special effects in HD. They'd have to commit to doing all of it and then hope that trickling it out one episode at a time would make enough money to be worth it. I hope CBS does remasters for DS9 and Voyager at some point. Or at least DS9. If they don't, I hope someone figures out how to use some of the Machine Learning/Neural Network stuff to upgrade what we have.
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Nullsmack posted:Apparently it was a massive effort to track down all of the sources of film and such to digitize for each individual episode of TNG. When it was being produced they'd do something for one episode but then the film would end up in another box because they reused it for another episode. Things were not always labelled correctly. Stuff like that. Not to mention redoing all of the special effects in HD. They'd have to commit to doing all of it and then hope that trickling it out one episode at a time would make enough money to be worth it. There are whole episodes of well-loved BBC sitcoms and episodic dramas that are lost because archiving wasn't a thing back then and magnetic tape/storage space got constantly reused after broadcast in the 1950s/60s/70s. Sometimes they turn up in the lofts of ex-employees or old storerooms but yeah I can easily accept that Trek scenes have been similarly lost, especially when masters were distributed around model shot/CGI/etc subcontractors/departments before the final TV-quality cuts simplefish fucked around with this message at 16:39 on Dec 21, 2018 |
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Nullsmack posted:Apparently it was a massive effort to track down all of the sources of film and such to digitize for each individual episode of TNG. When it was being produced they'd do something for one episode but then the film would end up in another box because they reused it for another episode. Things were not always labelled correctly. Stuff like that. Not to mention redoing all of the special effects in HD. They'd have to commit to doing all of it and then hope that trickling it out one episode at a time would make enough money to be worth it. That job only gets harder as time goes on until it eventually becomes impossible. CBS is being a horrible steward of their IP.
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simplefish posted:There are whole episodes of well-loved BBC sitcoms and episodic dramas that are lost because archiving wasn't a thing back then and magnetic tape/storage space got constantly reused after broadcast in the 1950s/60s/70s. Seeing the pure unadulterated Joy when a grainy test reel for Doctor Who is unearthed really puts into perspective the job archaeology does.
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simplefish posted:There are whole episodes of well-loved BBC sitcoms and episodic dramas that are lost because archiving wasn't a thing back then and magnetic tape/storage space got constantly reused after broadcast in the 1950s/60s/70s. I'm not sure if any of it is lost to time. I watched a making of video on one of my season 1 TNG blurays about finding footage for the TNG remasters. They have a massive warehouse full of stuff. Individual scenes may just be mixed up in various locations. I really really wish they would get on at least digitizing and preserving what they have before it possibly degrades too much. Even if they don't think they'll release it. I think some of the missing Dr. Who episodes turned up somewhere in Africa last I heard.
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It would be nice if they would at least just digitize the film they have before it isn't possible to do so anymore. Then they can just slowly work on it over the years.
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Maybe we can get CBS to pinky-swear that they'll do DS9 in HD if we all subscribe to All Access while Discovery is on
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ultimately the tng project was $12 million and two production teams working full time on it for 2 years, and they didn't get close to recouping that cost. so unless some generous donor decides to pony up $24 mil for ds9/voy or cbs gets a new trek nerd ceo, forget about it.
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They just got a bunch of free money from netflix for Discovery. Put that money back into Star Trek.
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free money? netflix funded nearly the entire budget of discovery for international streaming rights.
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Origami Dali posted:cbs gets a new trek nerd ceo
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Origami Dali posted:ultimately the tng project was $12 million and two production teams working full time on it for 2 years, and they didn't get close to recouping that cost. so unless some generous donor decides to pony up $24 mil for ds9/voy or cbs gets a new trek nerd ceo, forget about it. $24mil is only a net gain of 300,000 subscribers to All Access for a year. Netflix is adding almost 20x that in a quarter.
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Speaking of the TNG remaster, occasionally you'll see an effects shot, usually with a horizontal pan, that looks blurry as hell. The reason for this is an interesting read, but the tl;dr is that they came up with a clever way to do moving effects shots on the cheap, but which unfortunately resulted in lower-quality original film elements. Nothing you'd notice on TV in 1988, but 25 years later, there was only so much the remastering team could do with these. http://trekcore.com/newspaper/2013/04/tngs-visual-effects-you-asked-for-widescreen/
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