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Origami Dali posted:ultimately the tng project was $12 million and two production teams working full time on it for 2 years, and they didn't get close to recouping that cost. so unless some generous donor decides to pony up $24 mil for ds9/voy or cbs gets a new trek nerd ceo, forget about it. That's it, $12 million? pft that's wiener money.
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Yeah that’s like, an episode and a half of Disco budget
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Dec 21, 2018 19:27
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If CBS would just start firing sexual predators instead of covering up their crimes with payoffs, we could probably have all the series and movies in 4k HDR by this point.
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bull3964 posted:If CBS would just start firing sexual predators instead of covering up their crimes with payoffs, we could probably have all the series and movies in 4k HDR by this point. Seriously. The settlement for Eliza Dushku (who was harassed by a boring never-was on a forgettable procedural) would have paid for most of that TNG remaster. That’s one case. When will they figure out these awful, generic men are replaceable and expensive?
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Dec 21, 2018 19:43
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Well they're not giving Moonves that $120 million severance at least.
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Geekboy posted:Seriously. The settlement for Eliza Dushku (who was harassed by a boring never-was on a forgettable procedural) would have paid for most of that TNG remaster. The issue isn’t the amount, it’s the potential return. They were forced to payout Dushku’s settlement or Moonves’ legal fees, but they’ll never dump even a fraction of either of those into a project they don’t think they’d ever see a sizable return on. They sabotaged themselves on the TNG blus and they’ll never invest in another ST HD project again because of it. Enterprise was an anomaly because the episodes needed minimal work compared to TNG.
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The Bloop posted:Aside from turning goofy Harry Mudd into a mass murdering psychopath, yeah it was. lmao I typed this almost verbatim and then scrolled down Sir Lemming posted:Maybe we can get CBS to pinky-swear that they'll do DS9 in HD if we all subscribe to All Access while Discovery is on A moral conundrum worthy of the better TNG episodes.
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Dec 21, 2018 23:00
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That's the thing. You can say, "Oh, a DS9 remaster would cost $24 million, but they could pay for that out of the Discovery money", and that's true, but that's also not the right question. The question is, if they spend $24 million on a DS9 remaster, will they make that money back on DS9 sales?
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Epicurius posted:That's the thing. You can say, "Oh, a DS9 remaster would cost $24 million, but they could pay for that out of the Discovery money", and that's true, but that's also not the right question. The question is, if they spend $24 million on a DS9 remaster, will they make that money back on DS9 sales? Does it have to? They could use it to drag people onto CBS all access. "Did you like DS9? Well it's now on CBS All Access, also there's some other Star Trek shows on here."
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Cojawfee posted:Does it have to? They could use it to drag people onto CBS all access. "Did you like DS9? Well it's now on CBS All Access, also there's some other Star Trek shows on here." The Venn diagram of “people who want a DS9 remaster” and “people who would be willing to subscribe to CBS All Access for it” consists entirely of like half a dozen people from this thread.
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Big Mean Jerk posted:The Venn diagram of “people who want a DS9 remaster” and “people who would be willing to subscribe to CBS All Access for it” consists entirely of like half a dozen people from this thread. I'll do my part!
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My girlfriend likes TNG but has never seen Nemesis. She says she wants to "because it has Tom Hardy in it" and "how bad could it be?" I'll give you guys a trip report later.
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jeeves posted:My girlfriend likes TNG but has never seen Nemesis. She says she wants to "because it has Tom Hardy in it" and "how bad could it be?" It's sad, because she's right. Or she should be.
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jeeves posted:My girlfriend likes TNG but has never seen Nemesis. She says she wants to "because it has Tom Hardy in it" and "how bad could it be?" Time may be the fire in which we all burn, but it's also the gentle sun that nourishes our healthy growth and improvement. Stars are a mess of contradictions like that.
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jeeves posted:My girlfriend likes TNG but has never seen Nemesis. She says she wants to "because it has Tom Hardy in it" and "how bad could it be?" It almost caused him to kill himself
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He probably also thought it was incredibly dumb for Picard to already be bald in his freshman year at the Academy.
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Big Mean Jerk posted:The Venn diagram of “people who want a DS9 remaster” and “people who would be willing to subscribe to CBS All Access for it” consists entirely of like half a dozen people from this thread. And I’m already paying it, so that makes 5 more of you. Max.
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The Bloop posted:Aside from turning goofy Harry Mudd into a mass murdering psychopath, yeah it was. To be honest, that episode is only marginally more violent/disturbing than any other Trek time travel or time loop episode. The entire main cast dies over and over in Cause and Effect in pretty horrific fashion, complete with Picard's desperate abandon ship order and the bridge crew literally watching flames crawl up the walls right before the ship explodes. The Mudd episode is more personal, but I could never see the accusations some people came up with that it was torture porn or whatever. Nothing about how the episode was shot or scripted really came off that way, even in the Lorca death montage.
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Dec 22, 2018 02:08
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But if you don’t hyperbolically despise the new thing, how will anyone know you’re cool?
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Dec 22, 2018 06:21
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The Lorca death montage was hilarious.
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Dec 22, 2018 06:21
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Laterite posted:Kind of amazing that a 22 year old episode of a TV show can do this, but the Gowron reveal sent a chill down my spine. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CqqsL0EqASM
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Geekboy posted:But if you don’t hyperbolically despise the new thing, how will anyone know you’re cool? STD is like that kid who has his mom buy him a bunch of designer clothes for school because he thinks that'll make him popular only his plan backfires and he has to learn the true meaning of friendship the hard way
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Dec 22, 2018 09:12
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Blade_of_tyshalle posted:He probably also thought it was incredibly dumb for Picard to already be bald in his freshman year at the Academy. Well, Stewart was bald at like 19...
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Hulk Hogan started going bald in high school, brother.
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My uncle went bald at about 19 too. (my maternal uncle, I was worried for a bit but luckily I have my other grandmother's hair like every single one of her many descendants) It happens. And it seems fitting that Picard learned to own it early.
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Except for those other episodes which show him with a full head of hair even as late as Jack Crushers funeral, yeah. I guess my main gripe was really about the filmmakers not trusting the audience to grasp that the young Starfleet cadet in this photo is Picard without making that photo also bald.
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Paradoxish posted:To be honest, that episode is only marginally more violent/disturbing than any other Trek time travel or time loop episode. The entire main cast dies over and over in Cause and Effect in pretty horrific fashion, complete with Picard's desperate abandon ship order and the bridge crew literally watching flames crawl up the walls right before the ship explodes. The Mudd episode is more personal, but I could never see the accusations some people came up with that it was torture porn or whatever. Nothing about how the episode was shot or scripted really came off that way, even in the Lorca death montage. Geekboy posted:But if you don’t hyperbolically despise the new thing, how will anyone know you’re cool?  yeah that's not me. I watched all of Disco and I don't hate watch anything but political speeches. I think the episode was great, I just wish they didn't misuse (in my opinion) an existing character. It's one if the most obvious hazards with prequels and they just cranked him to 11
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The episode was fine, but deciding to have Mudd be the villain was the worst kind of attempted pandering. If they'd trusted the story enough to have a new character be the villain instead of needing it to be a callback to an existing character there'd be no problem. Instead it turns creepy but charismatic pimp Mudd into a murderous psycho. It's the same as deciding to make Michael part of Sarek and Spock's family. The plot works just as well, if not better, if it's a different Vulcan who adopted her, but it's got to be a callback, and now Spock's got a human sister he never thought to mention.
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Tsaedje posted:The episode was fine, but deciding to have Mudd be the villain was the worst kind of attempted pandering. If they'd trusted the story enough to have a new character be the villain instead of needing it to be a callback to an existing character there'd be no problem. Instead it turns creepy but charismatic pimp Mudd into a murderous psycho. Exactly, yes. Both cool ideas tainted by HEY REMEMBER THIS GUY
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Tsaedje posted:It's the same as deciding to make Michael part of Sarek and Spock's family. The plot works just as well, if not better, if it's a different Vulcan who adopted her, but it's got to be a callback, and now Spock's got a human sister he never thought to mention. It's a shame Enterprise is so disliked, as T'Pol would have been a perfect alternate foster parent for Michael - she already has more sympathy towards humans and it would have given you a tie in to the past. Of course, trying to get Jolene Blalock back on anything Trek related might be difficult though...
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Tsaedje posted:It's the same as deciding to make Michael part of Sarek and Spock's family. The plot works just as well, if not better, if it's a different Vulcan who adopted her, but it's got to be a callback, and now Spock's got a human sister he never thought to mention. Its consistent, though. In Amok Time, we find out he's got a wife he never thought to mention, in Journey to Babel, he's got parents he never thought to mention, and in Star Trek 5, he has a half brother he never thought to mention. For all we know, he has a gigantic family he never talks about.
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I actually didn’t mind Michael’s relation to Spock because it kind of recontextualized the acrimony between him and Sarek back in the original series in a neat way. Turns out Sarek isn’t just pissed off at Spock for running off and slumming it with the humans, he’s pissed off because he chose Spock over Burnham for nothing.
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Mark Lenard as Jim-Bob Sarek in 20 Kids and Counting
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Zaroff posted:It's a shame Enterprise is so disliked, as T'Pol would have been a perfect alternate foster parent for Michael - she already has more sympathy towards humans and it would have given you a tie in to the past. Given the stuff she's popped up in since according to IMDB I'm betting a decent paycheck and a completely different creative team would have been enough to get her involved. Possibly even just a decent paycheck.
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DrNutt posted:Given the stuff she's popped up in since according to IMDB I'm betting a decent paycheck and a completely different creative team would have been enough to get her involved. Possibly even just a decent paycheck. Possibly, but Blaylock has stated repeatedly in interviews that she's massively disillusioned with Star Trek. She was a huge Star Trek nerd who idolized Nimoy and Spock growing up, and she jumped at the chance to play a Vulcan on Trek. Then she got the job of mandatory fanservice character on Enterprise and she hated the show and its writers by the end.
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Cythereal posted:Possibly, but Blaylock has stated repeatedly in interviews that she's massively disillusioned with Star Trek. She was a huge Star Trek nerd who idolized Nimoy and Spock growing up, and she jumped at the chance to play a Vulcan on Trek. She's also not hurting for money since she married the billionaire who owns Ticketmaster.
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Blade_of_tyshalle posted:Mark Lenard as Jim-Bob Sarek in 20 Kids and Counting Kirk: "Wow, Spock, I had no idea your dad was such a family man, having so many kids!" Spock: "It's only logical, Jim - after all, they're cheaper by the dozen."
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I loved Mudd episodes growing up, but as an adult massively prefer murdery modern Mudd to old rapey Mudd. The actor was charming, but man do those stories make me cringe now.
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