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Literal Hamster posted:Proportional representation? Why do you concern yourself so fully with the means of democratic representation? A government which more accurately represents the intent of the people is to be desired and lauded, or course, but such a government existing under the auspices of the parasites will continue to be a fundamentally unrepresentative government, as those representatives answer solely to the interests of capital, and not at all to the needs of the people. Is this a gimmick account?
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Rime posted:
Odd, I've read material from the late 1970s - early 1980s showing that it was known then that that system had a mercury contamination problem. The province was a decade or two late if they only found out about it in the 1990s. Must be like the residential schools. It was an open secret available to anyone who cared to read. I assume this is similar to the mercury contamination problem on the coast where mercuric chloride was added to pulp mill effluent as a defoaming agent. Can't have important people upset by the sight of brown foamy scum, so we'll poison the ecosystem for cosmetic purposes.
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Hexigrammus posted:Odd, I've read material from the late 1970s - early 1980s showing that it was known then that that system had a mercury contamination problem. The province was a decade or two late if they only found out about it in the 1990s. Primarily it was from the bleaching agent used on the pulp, according to Wiki, there seems to be less shits given about visibly destroying the environment on the east side of the continent for some reason. I'm confused why the CBC articles say the province only found out in the 90's, as Wiki also claims the feds paid out close to $10 Million in compensation in the 1980's (Why is it always the taxpayer, and never the culpable industry?  ) and the province closed the fisheries in the 1970's.
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Lightning Knight posted:
I got my M.Sc. in '94 holy gently caress. 
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I want to retire but unfortunately I have 16 years of postsecondary education.
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Wow congrats Toronto on the Union renos being (almost?) done.
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Pinterest Mom posted:No, it's about the price. Right now, Alberta is producing too much compared to its pipeline capacity, and some of its customers have had to stop production, so they're flooding more oil into the limited markets they have (or selling future oil and putting it in storage, which also drives down prices and is costly), while the world price is much higher than the price that they're able to get for their own product. yeah this A Typical Goon posted:What's funny is with the global oversupply of oil, even if Canadian garbage oil sold for exactly as much as WTI it still wouldn't be profitable not always true, but does generally apply to the 1970's style mining projects that create mordor Lightning Knight posted:
hey cool JB tell me about your native friend's abortion Rime posted:The best thing SA could do in 2019 is gas all Megathreads and ban them. The lovely clique attitudes they generate is major forums cancer and has been since the original ban on them was lifted around '13. True, true
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You have until December 31st, 2018 to contribute to the 2018 D&D charity/blood drive for an avatar and/or gangtag!
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Pinterest Mom posted:Wow congrats Toronto on the Union renos being (almost?) done. Haha, that’s a good one. Bondfield is a garbage fire right now and they’ve pushed the completition of Union back to sometime in 2019 (wouldn’t be surprised if it’s closer to 2020). They’re also over a year behind schedule on the new $300 million patient tower at St. Michael’s Hospital and over 2 years behind schedule on a massive Cambridge Hospital reno. MagicCube fucked around with this message at 06:00 on Dec 27, 2018 |
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They opened up the food court with one escalator!!! working and that's about it for the Union Station renos.
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MagicCube posted:Haha, that’s a good one. Bondfield is a garbage fire right now and they’ve pushed the completition of Union back to sometime in 2019 (wouldn’t be surprised if it’s closer to 2020). They’re also over a year behind schedule on the new $300 million patient tower at St. Michael’s Hospital and over 2 years behind schedule on a massive Cambridge Hospital reno. Actual footage of Oxford, metrolinx and Brookfield creating the PATH system https://youtu.be/Lx7PpuWd00o
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Well the particular parts of Union I went through weren't a war zone, so, that's something.
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Pinterest Mom posted:Well the particular parts of Union I went through weren't a war zone, so, that's something.  Went through the great hall off VIA and everything, it was all good.
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Even when Union Station is "done" it won't be enough. Toronto either needs two or three more Unions sprinkled around or it needs Union to be at least twice the size.
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I dunno, we've never had a Union station that has both the York and Bay sides fully available for GO passengers. Even with just the York side Union isn't *that* bad at rush hour. I think capacity on the Yonge subway is a way bigger issue than Union Station right now.
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enki42 posted:I dunno, we've never had a Union station that has both the York and Bay sides fully available for GO passengers. Even with just the York side Union isn't *that* bad at rush hour. I think capacity on the Yonge subway is a way bigger issue than Union Station right now. As a pressing need right now, yeah. I mean, the relief line was proposed before I was even born! But Union is going to need more capacity in the future with GO expanding and getting more frequent and Yonge expanding and whatever else they want to put through that station like waterfront transit routes. Since expansions and renovations for Union take so long we're going to wish that the next one should have already begun by now.
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The Union redo isn't just cosmetic. They're literally doubling existing capacity to do exactly what you're talking about. Subway's still hosed though.
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Oh Scheer, you make the best(?) content
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lol, how the gently caress did they not take this down the second her alien rear end lost https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_tApV8fTrc
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Watching the news in Saskatoon and every day there is a story about pipelines. Naturally all interviews with people for the pipeline and at most a mealy mouth statement from Trudeau about it. Is there a good refutation about why the pipeline won't solve all of Alberta's woes?
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1. Alberta has poo poo oil that won't make money even with pipelines. 2. We have 12 years to cut carbon emissions in half or else the ongoing existence of modern civilization as we know it will become exceedingly tenuous. 3. Even if Alberta gets pipelines, all the profits will go to corporations (or, for extra lols, to state-owned oil companies from other countries). Like every time before, Alberta will piss away it's wealth for peanuts. 4. Fossil fuels are starting to see some reckoning, which will only get worse (see #2 above). 5. The price of oil is set by OPEC and not Justin Trudeau, or any Canadian government or policymaker for that matter. Pipelines will do poo poo to change this.
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Saskatchewan has a bunch of oil they can't get rid of too, and a bunch of crops they can't ship because oil is using all the rail capacity. You'll more than likely be arguing with a brick wall, no matter how sound or well presented your argument.
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sitchensis posted:2. We have 12 years to cut carbon emissions in half or else the ongoing existence of modern civilization as we know it will become exceedingly tenuous. Recent studies have released demonstrating that we actually need to cut down to zero and start sucking poo poo back out if we don't all wanna roast.  Since that's obviously not gonna happen, I'd focus on reaaaally enjoying the next decade. Come over to the climate change thread if this science bite has rendered you bereft of any hope for the future!
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Demon_Corsair posted:Is there a good refutation about why the pipeline won't solve all of Alberta's woes? One  Two  Although as mentioned if someone can't see the writing on the wall for the oil sands in 2018 then they are probably unreachable. sitchensis posted:2. We have 12 years to cut carbon emissions in half or else the ongoing existence of modern civilization as we know it will become exceedingly tenuous. It's optimistic to assume the world will ever proactively respond to climate change, but it's clear the oil sands will be shuttered the precise second it does. There's no reason to operate the oil sands for any amount of time in a world that cares about climate change.
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Re: carbon tax and mitigating climate change, this Twitter thread proposes to think about it in terms of insurance against catastrophic outcomes https://twitter.com/bradplumer/status/1078351322561347586?s=19 It's not enough to dissuade GHG emissions, we must do more. I remember people saying they'll stop commuting by car once gas hit $0.60. Guess what? Didn't work. In my mind, 'would you fly in a plane that has a 5% chance of crashing' is good thought-provoking rhetoric.
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It's more like would people really smoke or eat red meat, guaranteed to have bad outcomes but not for a while.
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Powershift posted:We need a cabron tax. How do you implement one that isn't horribly regressive to the working poor that drive to work, or low to middle income persons that live in houses.
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zapplez posted:How do you implement one that isn't horribly regressive to the working poor that drive to work, or low to middle income persons that live in houses. It wasn't a misspelling.
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zapplez posted:How do you implement one that isn't horribly regressive to the working poor that drive to work, or low to middle income persons that live in houses. Making it revenue neutral, like the national plan seems like an OK start. I don't have anything to back this up, but I'd assume that higher income people on average pollute more than lower income people (having multiple cars, plane travel, heating larger houses, etc.) If having below average emissions allows you to net out positive on a carbon tax then it can't really be called regressive. Plus it allows you to be way more aggressive with increasing it than you could be with a tax that didn't have an associated rebate (not that I expect that to realistically happen with the Libs in power)
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For the truly working poor, for a cliche example, the single mom that has to drive herself to say different houses to clean for 15 an hour, its hard to imagine how they will make a carbon tax that isnt punitive on her. Her gas prices go way up and maybe she sees some relief 12 months later, if she can afford to get her tax professionally filed?
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Powershift posted:It wasn't a misspelling. His reply is so much funnier if you assume he's responding in good faith to your proposed tax on dumbasses.
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zapplez posted:For the truly working poor, for a cliche example, the single mom that has to drive herself to say different houses to clean for 15 an hour, its hard to imagine how they will make a carbon tax that isnt punitive on her. Her gas prices go way up and maybe she sees some relief 12 months later, if she can afford to get her tax professionally filed? TBF her hypothetical life doesn't get any better when global climate change causes massive spikes in the cost of food, either.
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infernal machines posted:TBF her hypothetical life doesn't get any better when global climate change causes massive spikes in the cost of food, either. Could get a lot worse if its an extra 100 a month in gas tax and now she cant pay her rent. Carbon taxes should be on the rich and on businesses.
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zapplez posted:Carbon taxes should be on the rich and on businesses. How do you even do that? It's not simple to assess annual income at a gas pump and taxing the businesses to a degree that would have any effect will end up raising gas prices anyway.
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zapplez posted:For the truly working poor, for a cliche example, the single mom that has to drive herself to say different houses to clean for 15 an hour, its hard to imagine how they will make a carbon tax that isnt punitive on her. Her gas prices go way up and maybe she sees some relief 12 months later, if she can afford to get her tax professionally filed? Yeah and everyone in the equatorial continental regions will die but I guess as long as the single mom can drive to work 
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zapplez posted:Could get a lot worse if its an extra 100 a month in gas tax and now she cant pay her rent. I don't disagree except in the sense that it's a justification used to avoid doing anything at all. The poor are disproportionately affected by everything, increased fees and taxes on business will still affect the poor as prices and rates are increased to cover the new costs of doing business.
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cowofwar posted:Yeah and everyone in the equatorial continental regions will die but I guess as long as the single mom can drive to work Yeah because the carbon tax that canada half asses will prevent further global warming across the world and surely reduce whats already been done. If we are all gonna die in 50 years, might as well make the next 20 with the poors not homeless. vincentpricesboner fucked around with this message at 04:10 on Dec 28, 2018 |
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