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temple posted:careful, that might be an "unpopular opinion" oh yeah, the thread I'm in. If the easier settings were actually enjoyable by people then none of what I said matters. I just find trap options in games to be really irritating.
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The more annoying bit is you can't tell half the time whether 'normal' difficulty is actually Easy relabelled to sooth casual egos, or Hard relabelled to inflate hardcore egos. (that said, it's pretty reliably the latter with Platinum at least) And especially whether the harder difficulties add substantial challenge or just tedium with inflated numbers. I find it understandable but still kinda weird with how modern Nintendo games basically have the credits roll as an indicator that baby mode is off and you graduated to the real challenge. ...and with Mario Odyssey suddenly I remember the appeal of collectathon games; you could do the bare minimum to beat the game and generally get enough story, maybe a fake/bad ending and then do a little bit (or a lot) more to get the real one, but in general you could beat the game to your satisfaction, with all the hardest challenges generally being optional and for bragging rights.
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Dec 29, 2018 15:48
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I'm not super interesting in spending a bunch of time figuring out if an uninteresting game suddenly becomes worth playing when not played on Normal, the default setting devs intend 99% of people to play on. It's fine for Hard/Extreme/Apocalyptic/Whatever to enhance an experience, but if it's the only way the game becomes engaging there's a problem. I haven't even played TLOU specifically, this is just a generalist take.
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Dec 29, 2018 15:50
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I rather like games where the difficulty is something you can choose on the fly rather than locked in from the start. Kid Icarus Uprising comes to mind. (and the Smash games that use its system) Sometimes you're more confident, awake, or generally on the ball than others.
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Dec 29, 2018 16:05
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Ashmole posted:Here's one: Tomb Raider is loving boring. All of them.All you do is jump around in loving caves. I played the first one (some advanced edition on PC) and couldn't bear going through the boring rear end caves. Bought the new one and steam and also thought it was loving boring so I refunded the purchase. Tomb Raider is the game satan would make me play in hades
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last night at like 1 am something clicked and i suddenly accomplished more in blender and unity than i had for the last like, week. i ended up deleting and redoing a ton of my previous work more efficiently, cut down the number of polygons in some meshes by like 60%, and it's really cool. i know this isn't really the thread for that stuff but i keep mentioning it here so i wanted to do it again, so there for actual content, there are a handful of visual novels that are sincerely very good and well-written and engaging and not full of weird porn, and it really sucks that the medium as a whole is so inundated with that bullshit that you can't even mention VNs without people thinking you're a huge perv. i'm not even saying that's an incorrect assumption - the vast majority of what's out there is horrible porn fantasy wank poo poo - it just sucks that that's how it is.
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Dec 29, 2018 16:14
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Actually the first Tomb Raider was a brilliant examples of early 3d platforming. Don't get me wrong, it is one of the most horrible games to go back to but it had so many great moments; the first time entering the Caves, the Doppelganger in Atlantis, the huge alien boss on the last level, the T-rex in the Lost City, the entire St Francis Folly level. I haven't gone back and played it since 1999 or so and I never will but its far more memorable than whatever tat I played through in the most recent ones.
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mega man legends was astoundingly good, the control scheme that everyone seems to loathe is essentially the predecessor to modern 3rd person camera controls a la dark souls except accomplished on a digital controller with no sticks, the way all the dungeons (including most of the plot ones!!) were interconnected and became moreso as you unlocked more weapons was absolutely inspired and to my knowledge hasn't really been done in 3d again, the island is incredibly detailed and most of the NPCs there have a ton of character and will change their dialogue several times over the course of the game i still don't know why we've never gotten a knockoff of mega man legends and despite the abysmal fetid afterbirth that was Mighty Number 9 i'm still going to buy the poo poo out of red ash (RE-DASH, get it? mml is called rockman dash in japan!) if it ever actually comes out, just on the vain hope that it has at least some of the same ideas
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food court bailiff posted:mega man legends was astoundingly good, the control scheme that everyone seems to loathe is essentially the predecessor to modern 3rd person camera controls a la dark souls except accomplished on a digital controller with no sticks, the way all the dungeons (including most of the plot ones!!) were interconnected and became moreso as you unlocked more weapons was absolutely inspired and to my knowledge hasn't really been done in 3d again, the island is incredibly detailed and most of the NPCs there have a ton of character and will change their dialogue several times over the course of the game IIRC, there's Tail Concerto, which is basically MML with furries. Legends is kind of an odd case given iirc it was developed basically under obligation because Sony wouldn't let developers publish 2D games on the PS1 without at least one 3D game in the franchise?
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Serephina posted:It's interesting hearing opinions of Last of Us; I played it blind of preconceptions, at my brother's insistence, on his PS3 (?), set the difficulty to Hard, and I'm not sure I touched anything else. I'm 100% sure it was hard (since he played on Easy at the time and I'm an idiot who was trying to prove some weird point?). I still remember having yellow-glowing stuff, possibly humans through walls? Anyways. It gets cool when you get to go deer hunting before killing a pedophile in a burning building.
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Generally, a good way to measure a game's quality is to see how many pedophiles and nazis you get to kill, which is why the new Wolfenstein games are best played on easy mode.
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Ghost Leviathan posted:I rather like games where the difficulty is something you can choose on the fly rather than locked in from the start. Kid Icarus Uprising comes to mind. (and the Smash games that use its system) Sometimes you're more confident, awake, or generally on the ball than others. IK+ doesn't care about your puny feelings
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Serephina posted:. I'm 100% sure it was hard (since he played on Easy at the time and I'm an idiot who was trying to prove some weird point?). I still remember having yellow-glowing stuff, possibly humans through walls? Anyways. There's 2 difficulties (survivor and grounded) above hard in which wall vision is disabled. It's still there on hard. food court bailiff posted:lol this level of hyperbole would be embarrassing coming from kaz hirai himself You are dreaming if you think that isn't true. it doesn't even matter what I think of the game. It's pretty objectively been an extremely well received game that's sold 17 million copies despite being an exclusive to PS, and is still regularly part of the discussion 6 years after it's released. Calling it one of the most popular games of the last decade is hardly a stretch.
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Flannelette posted:In Deus Ex: Mankind Divided the "Give me a Challenge" difficulty says it's it's the way the game is meant to be played but the difficulty under it is called "Give me Deus Ex" so I've been stuck there for several years unable to decide. Play the original Deus Ex on Realistic mode instead.
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Last of Us is a game which I can 100% see why it sold umpteen million copies and at the same time it is not a particularly great "game" in terms of mechanics.
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The White Dragon posted:i'll spare you my mbs-large classes but i guarantee you that if you want, you can do that kind of poo poo in unity as well. it's way more reliable than putting yourself at the mercy of the subpar editor, but you get to keep the robustness of its in-engine methods (at the price of... well, whatever the gently caress idiot spyware poo poo unity is trying to sneak into your build this day of the week) Got a link to back this up?
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olives black posted:Play the original Deus Ex on Realistic mode instead. It's like asking someone to play blood 2 instead of doom 4.
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ditty bout my clitty posted:It's like asking someone to play blood 2 instead of doom 4. grats on having the worst post in the thread
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Star Man posted:My favorite Mega Man game is Mega Man 8. Yo this post really hosed me up
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olives black posted:grats on having the worst post in the thread All I'm saying is that the original deus ex has aged about as well as the elder scrolls arena.
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veni veni veni posted:There's 2 difficulties (survivor and grounded) above hard in which wall vision is disabled. It's still there on hard. lol there was like 2+ years where it was free with basically any Sony console you bought, this is like the sales numbers claiming wii sports was an incredible hit
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olives black posted:Got a link to back this up? Yes I'm not trying to smear this lovely engine it's just a fact. This is from their own documentation. https://docs.unity3d.com/Manual/UnityAnalyticsDataPrivacy.html quote:Maintaining compliance with GDPR when you use Unity Analytics Opting out is locked and disabling data collection is greyed out for users who don't have a Pro license Why even ask, I'm not trying to gently caress with you or lie to you dude. I'm currently using Unity, these changes have been forcibly and maliciously added to the editor in the three years I've been working on my current project, and these are major privacy and legal concerns that I'm going to have to address when I'm ready for launch. e: I think maybe you want me to clarify why I describe it like this. It's because this was NOT in the editor when I started this project. Unity didn't hide phone-home hooks in their code at all previously. But it was added over time, and when it was, this is a massive change that wasn't announced or described to users or developers, it was just very quietly slipped into the program. Nobody even noticed it until some dev was changing his build options and saw, hey, this is a new category that was added with no one's knowledge, and you can't disable it without paying full price for Unity's service. It's bad enough that it's a cash grab, but the fact that it makes your software legally non-compliant in the European Union is loving disgusting. That's not data collection, that's holding your program hostage. Fur20 fucked around with this message at 20:52 on Dec 29, 2018 |
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The White Dragon posted:Yes I'm not trying to smear this lovely engine it's just a fact. This is from their own documentation. Wasn't accusing you of lying, just didn't feel like digging through the fine print in their docs. Sorry that it came off like that.
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food court bailiff posted:lol there was like 2+ years where it was free with basically any Sony console you bought, this is like the sales numbers claiming wii sports was an incredible hit Please explain how my statement is hyperbolic instead of just dismissing facts that I put out there with nothing to offer yourself. What qualifiers does a game need to be in the group of "one of the most popular games of the last decade" if being a critical and commercial success and remaining widely talked about 6 years after release counts for nothing.
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ditty bout my clitty posted:All I'm saying is that the original deus ex has aged about as well as the elder scrolls arena. Og dx may be Great but it is also Bad
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sebmojo posted:Og dx may be Great but it is also Bad whaaaaaaaat
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Lactose Is Wack posted:It was a mediocre game astroturffed by Reddit lol look at this dumb poo poo CrRoMa posted:Actually the first Tomb Raider was a brilliant examples of early 3d platforming. Don't get me wrong, it is one of the most horrible games to go back to but it had so many great moments; the first time entering the Caves, the Doppelganger in Atlantis, the huge alien boss on the last level, the T-rex in the Lost City, the entire St Francis Folly level. I haven't gone back and played it since 1999 or so and I never will but its far more memorable than whatever tat I played through in the most recent ones. Tomb Raider '96 is brilliant. It's got such unwavering focus on its core design principles. It's uncompromising, atmospheric, beautiful, and lonely in all the best ways. Every other Tomb Raider game in existence (besides maybe Anniversary) is pure schlock spectacle.
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the original deus ex is still fun to play in 2018 as long as you’re not someone who gets all screechy about dynamic vector skies or whatever the gently caress
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OMGVBFLOL posted:the original deus ex is still fun to play in 2018 as long as you’re not someone who gets all screechy about dynamic vector skies or whatever the gently caress That is actual the sole metric by which I judge games
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I'm the goon saying that The Last of Us was an unsuccessful game.
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christmas boots posted:That is actual the sole metric by which I judge games fuckin mallenials
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the last of us looks like an interesting game and tbh if it was on pc i'd give it a go. or even the switch? i have that now lol. but yeah i'd play it, and it seems cool. please stop being weird about that game
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BeanpolePeckerwood posted:lol look at this dumb poo poo I remember liking 2 and 3 at the time but you could tell there was a drop-off in quality, 4 tried some neat things but I dont' think I ever got more than 3 levels deep in it. Angel of Darkness was properly dire
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a new study bible! posted:I'm the goon saying that The Last of Us was an unsuccessful game. Hi your bad
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Is there a particular reason why this game is so divisive and why the same goon(s) come out of the woodwork to defend it whenever a harsh word is said? Wolf ET is the greatest multiplayer game ever but I don't give a single gently caress if any of you don't like it.
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olives black posted:whaaaaaaaat it's ugly as poo poo, the architecture is giant blocks of grey, the mechanics are clunky af, stealth is broken, you can't hit anything with a pistol until you spend points on it, the dialogue is comedically pompous conspiracy nonsense it's a bad game, but it's still a great game. e: oh and it tries to be reactive with people saying WHY DID YOU KILL THOSE INNOCENTS over your skull radio, but then it gives up and you're icing journalists with TNT crates and noone cares a whit sebmojo fucked around with this message at 23:44 on Dec 29, 2018 |
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CrRoMa posted:I remember liking 2 and 3 at the time but you could tell there was a drop-off in quality, 4 tried some neat things but I dont' think I ever got more than 3 levels deep in it. They turned into action games. Not a good fit.
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Wrath of the Bitch King posted:Is there a particular reason why this game is so divisive and why the same goon(s) come out of the woodwork to defend it whenever a harsh word is said? Wolf ET is the greatest multiplayer game ever but I don't give a single gently caress if any of you don't like it. My impression (which may be completely wrong) was that a lot of chuds disliked the game for having a strong female character and that naturally filters down into people who didn't love the game forming a slight subconscious negative opinion of it. Note that I'm not saying that people who hate the game are chuds, just that widespread social cues are proven to influence group perception of products that aren't already widely loved or hated, resulting in a lot of polarized opinions. e: I'm talking about The Last Of Us. Now I realize maybe you weren't talking about that...
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you don't shoot guns in deus ex, you hit everything with an energy sword to avoid the worst combat ever, combat and tthat was gameplay so insanely awful even when it came out
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I'll take a few pages of TLoU over 10 pages of Bethesda minutiae any day.
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