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less laughter
May 7, 2012

Accelerock & Roll
Cixin Liu's The Wandering Earth (2000) is getting a movie adaptation:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MLcghUzzQCg

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Alhazred
Feb 16, 2011




Finished the Girl With All the Gifts and it nice to have zombie story where the soldier isn't the villain.

CoolHandMat
Oct 5, 2017

Alaan posted:

I love Glen Cook too much but Port has to be on there on the back of being so weird.

what does "weird" mean to you? I liked Cook and the Black Company, and that lead in to a love for all things Malazan.

CoolHandMat fucked around with this message at 19:25 on Dec 28, 2018

quantumfoam
Dec 25, 2003

Victorkm posted:

To be fair, not all LitRPG enumerates every single EXP gain, though it's a pretty common trope.

If you really want to encapsulate LitRPG in an idea, it's that the heroes shortcut the process of learning and practicing skills through game or gamelike elements.

That pretty much describes the part in Expanse book one where the DM dumps a uber-ship filled with goodies on the players so they won't walk away from the DM's gaming session. Aka The superfast ship with 4 godkiller weapons, enough fuel to jet around the star system twice before refueling, an infinite usage Raise Dead medbay, and double sets of blessed full plate dragonscale armor sorry assault space marine armor and weapons for every character.
By the time I finished Expanse book 1, nothing in it had improved for the better so avoiding all Expanse series sequels felt like a smart move.


Re-read some Ken MacLeod novels, and Ken MacLeod sure does love socialism versus capitalism plots, and/or technology versus religion plots. 65% chance of functional immortality happening if it's a Ken MacLeod technology vs. religion story, 90% chance of functional immortality happening if it's a Ken MacLeod socialism vs capitalism story. For MacLeod's socialism vs capitalism stories, there is also a 98.9999 likely-hood that Locke & Hume are kindergartener baseline education in his stories and thus almost every conflict will wind up framed in Lockian/Humian terms.

The reason I ranted about Ken MacLeod's tendencies is that MacLeod is also the literary curator of Iain Banks literary estate, and I am hoping beyond hope that MacLeod will be able to suppress his tendencies in the upcoming 2019 Iain Banks anthology.

StrixNebulosa
Feb 14, 2012

You cheated not only the game, but yourself.
But most of all, you cheated BABA

I probably shouldn't buy books because of dreams, but screw it: this morning I ordered the Etched City by KJ Bishop, Rapture by Kameron Hurley (God's War #3) and Master of Whitestorm by Janny Wurts.

I need to hurry up and finish Infidel first, but man. There's so much good stuff out there, I love it.

NecroMonster
Jan 4, 2009

Started reading Echopraxia. Don't want any spoilers and not really ready to talk about it but... is this vampire flirting with Bruks or am i out of my mind?

Kalman
Jan 17, 2010

NecroMonster posted:

Started reading Echopraxia. Don't want any spoilers and not really ready to talk about it but... is this vampire flirting with Bruks or am i out of my mind?

Would you flirt with a dog?

NecroMonster
Jan 4, 2009

Kalman posted:

Would you flirt with a dog?

it'd be more like a homo-sapiens sapiens flirting with a Homo neanderthalensis, but weirder unless this book contains further revelations about exactly what the vampires are. But either way, her behavior thus far towards him has been really weird. I mean, at least compared the the vampire in the last book, who come to think of it had some other weird circumstances too.

occamsnailfile
Nov 4, 2007



zamtrios so lonely
Grimey Drawer

StrixNebulosa posted:

I probably shouldn't buy books because of dreams, but screw it: this morning I ordered the Etched City by KJ Bishop, Rapture by Kameron Hurley (God's War #3) and Master of Whitestorm by Janny Wurts.

I need to hurry up and finish Infidel first, but man. There's so much good stuff out there, I love it.

This is how I feel in general, the last bit. Massively spoiled for choice and I love it.

anilEhilated
Feb 17, 2014

But I say fuck the rain.

Grimey Drawer
I felt Etched City was pretty disappointing, looking forward to hearing more impressions on that.

Chairchucker
Nov 14, 2006

to ride eternal, shiny and chrome

THUNDERDOME LOSER 2022




Are there other books with the general feel of The Goblin Emperor?

EDIT: Oh wait, the books with Murderbot, I should get those

Chairchucker fucked around with this message at 13:21 on Dec 29, 2018

StrixNebulosa
Feb 14, 2012

You cheated not only the game, but yourself.
But most of all, you cheated BABA

occamsnailfile posted:

This is how I feel in general, the last bit. Massively spoiled for choice and I love it.

Five years ago I 100% believed I was scraping the bottom of the barrel in the sci-fi/fantasy genre. I'd found CJ Cherryh, I'd read Peter Watts, etc etc - and I'd try new interesting sounding books and find that the writing was either bad or bland or upsetting.

A lot of this was on me - I wasn't good at finding books, as I was just relying on exploring my local library and local bookstores - but it feels like a new world has dawned, especially in this last year. I can't turn around without finding a new author or series that I want to read, and then they're actually good!

Examples: Kameron Hurley, Greg Bear, Brian Stableford, Janny Wurts, Paul J McAuley, that Magic Bites series (it's fun!)...

I think the biggest dud I've encountered this month has been Warchild by Karin Lowachee, and that's mostly because it feels like it didn't properly represent itself in the summary - gritty military sci-fi with a child soldier who grows up in a rough universe - and instead it became him getting rescued from a pirate and raised by Japanese aliens who train him in the art of the blade. The writing was fine, but like... nah.

Neurosis
Jun 10, 2003
Fallen Rib

anilEhilated posted:

I felt Etched City was pretty disappointing, looking forward to hearing more impressions on that.

I got 40% of the way through the book and gave up because it didn't seem to be going anywhere. After some decent character hooks in the opening part I really expected more. Also re the Gnomon praise above, I paused in reading that at around 35% (although I will start it up again soon) because I found the prose style bloated. There were interesting bits and pieces in there and certainly the plot had direction, hence why I haven't just dropped it entirely, but the word count for what is actually presented in the book began to annoy me early on, to the point where I couldn't push it out of my mind how many paragraphs could have been rewritten to convey the same sentiments much more simply, or often deleted entirely since they merely repeated things already established.

MarksMan
Mar 18, 2001
Nap Ghost
I finished "Dune Messiah" yesterday and I liked it in a way, but I feel like the last 25-30% of the book wasn't holding my interest as much, other than just being invested enough to want to see how it specifically played out. From what I read, the general consensus is if you like "Dune" then you should read "Dune Messiah," then continue on if you liked *that*. After the end of Dune Messiah, I feel like it's going to just keep going on and on like that forever. Is it worth continuing on if I'm kind of iffy on Dune Messiah?

PupsOfWar
Dec 6, 2013

the traitor baru cormorant, a prominent hopepunk novel,

PupsOfWar fucked around with this message at 19:31 on Dec 29, 2018

Khizan
Jul 30, 2013


MarksMan posted:

I finished "Dune Messiah" yesterday and I liked it in a way, but I feel like the last 25-30% of the book wasn't holding my interest as much, other than just being invested enough to want to see how it specifically played out. From what I read, the general consensus is if you like "Dune" then you should read "Dune Messiah," then continue on if you liked *that*. After the end of Dune Messiah, I feel like it's going to just keep going on and on like that forever. Is it worth continuing on if I'm kind of iffy on Dune Messiah?

Nope. With Dune you just quit the moment you're tired of its poo poo.

MarksMan
Mar 18, 2001
Nap Ghost

Khizan posted:

Nope. With Dune you just quit the moment you're tired of its poo poo.

Lol, I'm pretty sure I'm there. I just read the Wiki synopsis of Children of Dune and God Emperor and it just seems like it would be mild torture to actually try to read the details of how that story plays out. Maybe I'll start on trying to finish the Foundation series now; I read the first book and never went further. I still feel like I'm on a semi-cyberpunk obsession though, so debating on where to go from here. I read Neuromancer recently and loved it; I started Snow Crash before but never completely finished it

mewse
May 2, 2006

MarksMan posted:

Is it worth continuing on if I'm kind of iffy on Dune Messiah?

The third book continues the themes of prescience vs free will etc. Then there's a hard break and book 4 is thousands of years in the future. So.. end of book 3 is a much clearer stopping point IMO, but if you're not enjoying it then don't suffer through it.

Kesper North
Nov 3, 2011

EMERGENCY POWER TO PARTY

PupsOfWar posted:

the traitor baru cormorant, a prominent hopepunk novel,

Well, in a way. It certainly isn't noblebright. And any goodness in the world does depend on constant upward grinding effort against an uncaring universe bolted together out of human flesh and human misery, using mutual self-interest as the enzymatic bonding agent holding the frail chicken nugget of human civilization together: the power of meat glue in a deep fat fryer.

(I love hopepunk.)

quantumfoam
Dec 25, 2003

MarksMan posted:

I finished "Dune Messiah" yesterday and I liked it in a way, but I feel like the last 25-30% of the book wasn't holding my interest as much, other than just being invested enough to want to see how it specifically played out. From what I read, the general consensus is if you like "Dune" then you should read "Dune Messiah," then continue on if you liked *that*. After the end of Dune Messiah, I feel like it's going to just keep going on and on like that forever. Is it worth continuing on if I'm kind of iffy on Dune Messiah?

Drop the Dune series if you're not feeling it and just read wikipedia summaries of the Frank Herbert books (avoid the Brian Herbert/KJA books).
Honestly the Dune series is really about nepotism with increasingly less stable personalities in charge for all the factions as the series goes on. Especially in the case of the super-smug factions Bene Gesserit and Bene Tleilaxu, I'm talking about you.

A human heart
Oct 10, 2012

you can really make some big progress on your page count per day if you just stop reading books and read the wikipedia pages instead. it's a great strategy for those of us who lead busy lives programming computers.

mewse
May 2, 2006

A human heart posted:

you can really make some big progress on your page count per day if you just stop reading books and read the wikipedia pages instead. it's a great strategy for those of us who lead busy lives programming computers.

There are actual ads running on tv right now that are like "don't have time for books?! subscribe to our service and listen to summaries of books!"

Proteus Jones
Feb 28, 2013



A human heart posted:

...those of us who lead busy lives programming computers.

So much is explained, now.

Tiny Timbs
Sep 6, 2008

mewse posted:

There are actual ads running on tv right now that are like "don't have time for books?! subscribe to our service and listen to summaries of books!"

I liked the Skymall ads for subscriptions to summaries of business management books which is just a fascinating concept

Tiny Timbs fucked around with this message at 02:02 on Dec 30, 2018

Urcher
Jun 16, 2006


Fallom posted:

I liked the Skymall ads for subscriptions to summaries of business management books which is just a fascinating concept

Typical business management books are 10% business management ideas and 90% motivational stories about successful businesses to help convince the reader that they really could start a business with the ideas from the book. If you already run a business and don't need the pep talk a summary can get you the core without wasting time on fluff.

Edit: a subscription service for this still sounds odd to me though

mewse
May 2, 2006

Fallom posted:

I liked the Skymall ads for subscriptions to summaries of business management books which is just a fascinating concept

I had to track it down, the ad I was seeing was for a service called blinkist and I'm 99% sure this is the ad

my bony fealty
Oct 1, 2008

My local sff bookstore has The Monster Baru Cormorant and the newest Robert Jackson Bennett book prominently displayed side by side and I gotta know, is it coincidental successful (former) goon author synergy or does one of you work at Mysterious Galaxy

Angrymog
Jan 30, 2012

Really Madcats

Nine Fox Gambit is 99 pence on Kobo at the moment.

quantumfoam
Dec 25, 2003

The Murderbot/Martha Wells story "Compulsory" in the January 2019 issue of WIRED isn't bad.
caveat: it's very short.

Fart of Presto
Feb 9, 2001
Clapping Larry

Angrymog posted:

Nine Fox Gambit is 99 pence on Kobo at the moment.

Each of the three Machineries of Empire books (Ninefox Gambit, Raven Stratagem and Revenant Gun) are $0.99 at Amazon as well. I'm guessing it's only for December and they go back to the regular price on Tuesday.

quantumfoam
Dec 25, 2003

Leafed through The Chicago Guide to Fact-Checking by Brooke Borel, and page 42 in it being a picture of Der Spiegel's fact checking system in action is very HitchHiker's Guide to the Galaxy meta(42 meme), and therefore worthy of being mentioned in this thread.

For people who have no idea what I'm talking about, Der Spiegel (a German news magzine/newspaper/multimedia company) is currently going through a major scandal over one of their top reporters, Claas Relotius, duping the gently caress out of Der Spiegel's fact-checking system for years and years.

feedmegin
Jul 30, 2008

my bony fealty posted:

My local sff bookstore has The Monster Baru Cormorant

Also this is finally available on UK Kindle!

Solitair
Feb 18, 2014

TODAY'S GONNA BE A GOOD MOTHERFUCKIN' DAY!!!

Selachian posted:

The book and the show barely have anything in common, so it's best to put the book out of mind if you want to watch the show.

Not surprising. I'd say the same thing about Total Recall and "We Can Remember It For You Wholesale."

NoNostalgia4Grover posted:

Drop the Dune series if you're not feeling it and just read wikipedia summaries of the Frank Herbert books (avoid the Brian Herbert/KJA books).

Has anybody tried to do an online read-through of Anderson's Dune books for the purpose of mocking them, or an in-depth analysis of why they're awful?

Jedit
Dec 10, 2011

Proudly supporting vanilla legends 1994-2014

Solitair posted:

Has anybody tried to do an online read-through of Anderson's Dune books for the purpose of mocking them, or an in-depth analysis of why they're awful?

They tried and died.

mewse
May 2, 2006

Honestly I’d like to understand why the Anderson books are so bad because I only remember trying to read one and going “what the gently caress is this” and quitting a few chapters in

quantumfoam
Dec 25, 2003

Solitair posted:

Not surprising. I'd say the same thing about Total Recall and "We Can Remember It For You Wholesale."


Has anybody tried to do an online read-through of Anderson's Dune books for the purpose of mocking them, or an in-depth analysis of why they're awful?

Think of Christopher Tolkien and Chris Tolkien's endless series of books documenting the drafts/notes that his father wrote during the creation of LotR, the Hobbit, and lesser JRR Tolkien stories like farmer giles.

Got all that in your head?
Good.

Now take away all the talent of Christopher Tolkien, make the Frank Herbert Dune universe notes/drafts of future Dune books lost to time/burned in California wildfire(s)/never existed in the first place. Then picture the vast trove of never-published/rejected/slush pile submissions of the Star Wars Extended Universe and using the best methods of https://youtu.be/x6MxvzliG6I randomly paste in Dune character names/words and send to the publisher.

That is the Brian Herbert/KJA Dune books experience.

A Proper Uppercut
Sep 30, 2008

City of Brass is pretty good.

Harold Fjord
Jan 3, 2004
5 bucks for NK Jesmin's short story collection on Kindle. Haven't read it yet.

https://twitter.com/nkjemisin/status/1079424381812703233

Ornamented Death
Jan 25, 2006

Pew pew!

mewse posted:

Honestly I’d like to understand why the Anderson books are so bad because I only remember trying to read one and going “what the gently caress is this” and quitting a few chapters in

Remember that you asked for this. Also it spoils the poo poo out of Sandworms of Dune but really who gives a gently caress?

quote:

The end nears
As Sandworms of Dune begins, the passengers of the no-ship Ithaca continue their nearly two-decade search for a new home world for the Bene Gesserit, while Duncan Idaho evades the tachyon net of the old couple Daniel and Marty, now known to be thinking machine leaders Omnius and Erasmus. Among the inhabitants of the Ithaca are young gholas of Paul Atreides, Lady Jessica, and others. Back in the Old Empire, Mother Commander Murbella of the New Sisterhood attempts to rally humankind for a last stand against the thinking machines. The new Face Dancers continue to infiltrate the main organizations of the Old Empire at all levels, having also sent their gholas of Paul Atreides (called Paolo) and the Baron Vladimir Harkonnen to the thinking machine capital, Synchrony.

At the prompting of Face Dancer infiltrators, the Spacing Guild has begun replacing its Navigators with Ixian navigation devices and cutting off the Navigators' supply of melange. Navigator Edrik and his faction have commissioned Waff, the imperfectly awakened ghola rescued by the Guild from the Bene Gesserit attack on Bandalong, to create "advanced" sandworms able to produce the melange they so desperately require. He accomplishes this by altering the DNA of the sandtrout stage and creating an aquatic form of the worms, which are then released into the oceans of Buzzell. Adapting to their new environment, these "seaworms" quickly flourish, eventually producing a highly concentrated form of spice, dubbed "ultraspice".

Meanwhile, Murbella commissions Ix to copy the destructive Honored Matre Obliterators for use on the fleet of warships she has ordered from the Guild. However, Ix is now secretly controlled by Face Dancer leader Khrone; previously acting as a minion of Omnius, he continues his own plot for Face Dancer domination of the universe. Omnius's forces have begun striking world after world, releasing a deadly virus and then pressing on to the new string of inhabited planets. The thinking machine plague arrives at Chapterhouse and cripples the Sisterhood, but they rally the unified humankind into one last great stand.

Aboard the Ithaca, Sheeana restarts the ghola project. Gholas of Serena Butler, Gurney Halleck, and Xavier Harkonnen are about to be born when the axlotl tanks are poisoned, killing all three ghola babies and the tanks. Saboteurs are suspected, as many of the ship's systems have also been failing. Scytale, the last Tleilaxu Master, finally reawakens his own ghola's past memories, but only by dying in front of his younger self. The gholas of Wellington Yueh, Stilgar, and Liet-Kynes regain their memories through various traumatic experiences. Desperate to replenish their supplies, the Ithaca lands on the planet Qelso, a world slowly being terraformed into a desert planet by the introduction of sandworms years before by the Bene Gesserit. Stilgar and Liet-Kynes decide to remain behind to help the natives slow the encroaching desert and prepare them for the inevitable.

The climax
Having successfully completed his attempts to create a new incarnation of sandworm, Waff begs Edrik to return him to the ruined planet of Rakis so that he can spend what little time to live he has left attempting to reintroduce the worms there as well. Unsuccessful, Waff resigns himself to failure and prepares to die; as the last of his sandworm specimens perishes, a dozen sandworms erupt from beneath the surface. Waff realizes that the pearl of Leto II's awareness that each sandworm carries had foreseen the Honored Matre attack on Rakis and buried themselves deep beneath the planet's surface. Knowing the planet has begun healing itself, Waff is consumed by a worm, rejoicing that his prophet has finally returned. Meanwhile, Edrik and the ultraspice are intercepted by Khrone, who seizes the spice and kills the Navigator.

The saboteurs are eventually revealed to be the Rabbi and the ghola of Thufir Hawat, who had apparently been murdered and replaced with Face Dancers back on the planet of the Handlers during the events of Hunters of Dune. In the ensuing chaos that follows the discovery of the Face Dancers, the Ithaca is ensnared by the tachyon net. Miles Teg sacrifices his life in an unsuccessful attempt to prevent their capture. The Ithaca is brought to Synchrony. They are met by a party led by the ghola of Vladimir Harkonnen. Seeing the young ghola of Alia when he arrives, he immediately kills her; the original Alia had murdered his original self 5,000 years before. The Bene Gesserit gholas of Paul, Lady Jessica, Chani, and Yueh are then taken to see Omnius and Erasmus.

Omnius explains that to complete his domination of humanity, he requires the superior Kwisatz Haderach of the two Paul gholas. Paolo and Paul are forced to duel, during which Paul is mortally wounded. Victorious, Paolo takes the ultraspice; overwhelmed by the rapid onset of perfect prescient vision, he slips into a coma. Paul, at the urging and efforts of Yueh, Chani, and Jessica, slowly regains his past memories and is able to repair the damage to his body using Bene Gesserit physiological control. Under the guise of aiding Paolo, Yueh takes his revenge by killing Baron Harkonnen, who had orchestrated the torture and death of Yueh's wife Wanna in their original incarnations.

As this is happening, Murbella has all the new ships in place and is finally ready to launch her fleet against Omnius's oncoming armada. But the Obliterators and Ixian navigation devices all suddenly fail. Murbella realizes that they have been sabotaged. When it appears that defeat at the hands of the thinking machine forces is imminent, the Oracle of Time appears with a thousand ships piloted by Guild Navigators and begins to attack the machines. This assault leaves the machine fleet in pieces. The Oracle then tells Murbella that she is going to Synchrony to stop Omnius once and for all; she folds space, and a visual manifestation of the Oracle appears in the room where Paul and Paolo have been dueling. The Oracle then removes every aspect of Omnius and transports the Evermind away into another dimension forever.

The ultimate Kwisatz Haderach
Sheeana and the young Leto II ghola free the sandworms from the Ithaca's cargo hold, and the worms wreak havoc throughout Synchrony. Leto II regains his memories, and after the battle is finished, he tells Sheeana that he must now go back into the dreaming. Leto walks into the belly of the largest worm, Monarch, and the seven worms twist together and join into one giant superworm before digging deep into the ground.

Fresh from fighting the thinking machines outside on Synchrony with Sheeana, Duncan enters the chamber where a recovering Paul, his memories now restored, reveals that Duncan is the final Kwisatz Haderach, having evolved and perfected himself through thousands of years of ghola rebirth and altered DNA. Erasmus, the independent-minded robot, explains that he was the mastermind behind the rebuilding of the Synchronized Worlds. A mutinous Khrone declares that the universe now belongs to his Face Dancers, as both humans and machines have been crippled. Amused by Khrone's attempt to seize power, Erasmus explains that a fail-safe system had been built into the Face Dancers. Erasmus kills Khrone and his party—and then all enhanced Face Dancers across the universe—with the simple flip of a mental switch. The immediate death of so many Face Dancers exposes how much they have infiltrated human society. Erasmus then offers Duncan a choice. With both humans and thinking machines battered and beaten, Duncan can choose either destruction for one side or recovery and healing for both. Choosing peace over victory, Duncan and Erasmus then merge minds. Erasmus imparts Duncan with all the codes required to run the Synchronized Worlds, as well as all of his knowledge. Duncan now stands as the bridge between humans and machines. With little left for him, Erasmus again expresses his desire to learn everything possible about what it is to be human—he asks for Duncan to help him die. As Duncan shuts Erasmus down, he shares one of the many deaths he experienced with the robot.

Back in the Old Empire, Murbella's forces are preparing to attack Omnius's second wave when the machines suddenly stop. With the Oracle having taken Omnius, a Navigator brings Murbella to Synchrony. She and Duncan are reunited, and he explains his intent to end the divide between humans and thinking machines—the two will co-exist. Duncan gives Synchrony to Sheeana for her Orthodox Sisterhood, while he returns with Murbella to help lead the new human-machine mode of life.

Epilogue
On Qelso, the gholas of Stilgar and Liet-Kynes continue to aid in the attempt to hold back the expanding desert, while simultaneously teaching the planet's occupants how to adapt to the changes that will inevitably come. Under Duncan's control, a thinking machine convoy lands on the planet; Duncan offers the gholas the aid of the thinking machines in holding back the desert. He tells Stilgar and Kynes that just as he has become both man and machine, Qelso will become both desert and forest.

On Caladan, the gholas of Lady Jessica and Wellington Yueh have returned to the ancient Atreides castle. Having removed all traces of the Baron's occupancy, the two discuss how they will go forward with their lives. Accompanying them is the unawakened ten-year-old ghola of Leto I. Looking forward to the time when his memories will be restored, Lady Jessica finds solace in the fact that she will be reunited with her Duke.

With the aid of the Tleilaxu Master Scytale, Sheeana and the Orthodox Sisterhood on Synchrony have reestablished the ancient Bene Gesserit breeding program, resolving to never again breed another Kwisatz Haderach. At her side, Sheeana has a young ghola of Serena Butler, heroine of the Butlerian Jihad. Along with gholas of the Tleilaxu Masters, Scytale has grown Tleilaxu females from newly discovered cells, vowing that they will never again be forced into becoming axlotl tanks, in the hopes that this will prevent the creation of a vengeful enemy such as the Honored Matres from ever occurring again, and also vowing to never again allow the Masters to corrupt the recovering Tleilaxu people.

On the recovering planet Dune, the awakened gholas of Paul and Chani go about restoring the planet to its former glory. Now that Paul is able to devote all of his attention to her, Chani remarks that he has finally learned how to treat his wife. As the novel closes, Paul reaffirms his love for Chani, telling her he has loved her for over 5,000 years.

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90s Cringe Rock
Nov 29, 2006
:gay:
I'd read a litrpg adaptation of that.

Also, ultraspice.

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